The Jedi Academy- Bible Study

Bible Study

Jul 01 2004 01:41am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible.
Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing.

I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth.

May God bless us all through his wonderful Word.

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For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE

The Bible Gateway

-DM-

Thank you Darth Mobility.

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So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
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This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm.

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May 18 2005 04:48pm

Darth Jason
- Student

I had posted a comment on one of the religous threads which I fear may have offended a few members of the Academy. I apologize for this. Thiugh it is not usually what I intend I have a way of wording my thoughts in a less than sensitive way. I do encourage open dialouge between peoples of different faiths and I try(not always successfully)to respect peopls beliefs. I am extremly fond of open debate on the topic of faith as well as educational conversations about the same. I only ask that my shameful comment can be forgotten and we all can move on without incident and as friends.Once again I am Extremly Sorry if I have offended anyone and I will do my best to avoid this problem in the future.

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May 03 2005 02:58pm

Koyi Donita
- Student

Good news, or so I believe. I recently went looking around for a Greek interliniar Bible and I found one that has both Greek and Hebrew. ^_^ It's priced at about $160, but a friend of mine can get it for close to $100. A great buy if it's a word for word translation of the original language text. As soon as I know it is, it is mine!!!!

Apr 30 2005 05:44pm

Koyi Donita
- Student

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"Join us" in the discussion or "join us" in becoming regular Bible-readers?

What I should have said is maybe there are people out there that don't have a Bible, but are very interested in a subject and this could be the perfect tool for them. Some might be thinking of posting a particular verse, but don't want to get their Bible's to look it up. I've fallen into this catagory a few times whether it be because of time or laziness.

However, one could just use this tool right on their computer to solve this problem.

Apr 30 2005 07:16am

Rainer
- Student

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Very cool and for those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE

The Bible Gateway
-DM-

No NRSV. But yeah, practically any translation.

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This comment was edited by Rainer on Apr 30 2005 07:19am.

Apr 29 2005 07:24pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

I do 99% of my study on that site Koyi and from what I know, it is all word for word. They are a very highly recognized site and used by millions of people with a vast staff, so I think it is a perfect addition to ones resources.

-DM-
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Apr 29 2005 05:50pm

Dunn'Canni
- Student

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Heck, maybe I'll just do it so people will have a Bible before them if they would like to join us.

"Join us" in the discussion or "join us" in becoming regular Bible-readers?
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Apr 29 2005 03:06pm

Koyi Donita
- Student

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Very cool and for those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE

The Bible Gateway

-DM-

I was just wondering if it has exact word by word translations too along with the original languages. If it does, you just might have saved me alot of money DM.

Also if it does, I will add it to the topic box so it doesn't get buried. Heck, maybe I'll just do it so people will have a Bible before them if they would like to join us.

Apr 28 2005 05:53pm

Dunn'Canni
- Student

Yes, that's an excellent site. I've used it numerous times - highly recommend for anything related to the Bible, whatever your needs.
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"There is no emotion... there is peace. There is no ignorance... there is knowledge. There is no passion... there is serenity. There is no chaos... there is harmony. There is no death... there is the Force."
-Master Zhar Lestin

Apr 28 2005 05:43pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Very cool and for those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE

The Bible Gateway

-DM-
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Apr 28 2005 04:59pm

Â
- Student

For anyone who doesn't have a Bible and wants to read the King James edition, check this out.

http://www.kingjamesversionofthebible.com/

This comment was edited by Â on Apr 28 2005 05:00pm.

Apr 28 2005 04:53pm

Dunn'Canni
- Student

OK, while we're on the subject, which Bible do you use?

I have a copy of KJV permanently by my bedside for when I want to quietly reflect, as it is the most beautifully written translation I know - it certainly enhances the meaning of the Word for me.

I tend to refer to my NIV or GNB copy for actual Biblical study however, as they're written in modern English and are easier to understand. My NIV copy also has detailed notes and interpretations that I find useful.
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"There is no emotion... there is peace. There is no ignorance... there is knowledge. There is no passion... there is serenity. There is no chaos... there is harmony. There is no death... there is the Force."
-Master Zhar Lestin

Apr 28 2005 02:59pm

Koyi Donita
- Student

I agree. With God moving in His people surely if there was a real problem with the translations, He would have moved to correct them I feel. Some spiritual lessons can be lost in the changing of phrases and dropping of words as I see it, but God can save all the same by the hearing of His Word.

Apr 28 2005 02:45pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Amen.
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Apr 28 2005 07:40am

Dunn'Canni
- Student

I don't think translated version are in any way problematic. You're expressing the Islamic view, in which a Holy Book must remain unchanged for its message to remain consistent. I personally trust those who translated the Bible (and there are some very recent, well-researched translations like the Good News Bible). To me, the word of God is every bit as powerful in my own language as it would have been in Hebrew (for the Old Testament) and Greek (for the New Testament).
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"There is no emotion... there is peace. There is no ignorance... there is knowledge. There is no passion... there is serenity. There is no chaos... there is harmony. There is no death... there is the Force."
-Master Zhar Lestin

Apr 28 2005 05:37am

Rainer
- Student

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If you truely want to study God's Word, I would suggest learning the other languages and trying to get your hands on the purest form of original text you can.

You caould always pick up a torah, but biblical hebrew is absolutely nutty to translate. Oh and you won't get any goods on the sequal.

Yeah... Bereshith bara elohim... wait... what the... God is plural?! AHH! Why is bara singular? HELP!

Yeah, Hebrew is nutty.
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"I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James

This comment was edited by Rainer on Apr 28 2005 05:38am.

Apr 28 2005 05:30am

DJ Sith
- Jedi Council

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If you truely want to study God's Word, I would suggest learning the other languages and trying to get your hands on the purest form of original text you can.

You caould always pick up a torah, but biblical hebrew is absolutely nutty to translate. Oh and you won't get any goods on the sequal.

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Apr 28 2005 05:19am

Rainer
- Student

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Ahh, that makes things a bit clearer now. Do you know if these groups tend to stick to any particular versions of the Bible? I'm going to head out and get one, I just want to make sure I get the right version.

The KJV was a great translation for its time, but it leaves much to be wanting. My favorite translation is the ESV(English Standard Version).

Here's an article on the ESV: http://www.christiancourier.com/feature/december2002.htm

EDIT: But for the record, I too don't believe there is one superior translation. If you want to get real serious about studying, and don't want to blindly accept doctrine handed to you, then I'd learn some Greek at least. I personally have a NRSV(Oxford Study Bible with Apocrypha), ESV(Pocket Bible), NASB(Ryrie Study Bible), NIV, KJV(A really, really old one), and I think a Catholic Bible somewhere. That's it as far as translations go. I have a Greek New Testament and a Greek English interlinear New Testament as well. It has the Greek on top and a literal word for word translation underneath the words. I haven't learnt much Greek yet though.
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The Jedi formally known as Ranja.
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"I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James

This comment was edited by Rainer on Apr 28 2005 05:23am.

Apr 28 2005 03:49am

Jeramia Adept
- Student

IN MY OPINION ALL BIBLES ARE the same, just worded differently, its all about how one reads, it all say s the same thing, and it all means the same, but most just twist the word into the devils means.
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Apr 28 2005 02:38am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Mike, it's really hard to answer that question. You see, as Kenyon has pointed out, some believe the original text that the Bible was written in to be the true Word of God as I do as well. Others believe that any Bible or the more accurate ones to also be the Word of God because God is after all very interested in His Word going into the world to all nations and would protect it or influence the translations enough to where it would be His Word. Hard to say for me and I can't tell you this one or that but I feel that the KJV of the Bible is a good solid translation although translation errors accure even in that one. If you truely want to study God's Word, I would suggest learning the other languages and trying to get your hands on the purest form of original text you can.

Apr 28 2005 12:33am

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Apr 28 2005 12:14am

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Yeah Mikecore, sorry man. I feel stupid for even posting at this point, NOT MY DAY. Thats all I can say......

Evangelist is someone who goes out and preaches the word abroad.

Fundamentalist is a Protestant view that affirms the absolute authority of the Bible, holds that Jesus died and was bodily resurrected as a sacrifice for humanity's sins, denies the theory of evolution, and holds that alternate religious views within Christianity or in other religions are false.

Pentecostalism is a Christian religious movement emphasizing the "gifts of the Holy Spirit," traditionally first bestowed on the day of Pentecost. Like if you have ever heard of speaking in tounges or gifts of prophecy and things like that.

I think they all beleive the same thing basically, they just have more emphasis on certain things.

Hope that helps.

-DM-

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Apr 28 2005 12:09am

Â
- Student

I think this is getting kind of pathetic. This is straying off from a study of The Word, and has become a dispute about what may or may not be the subliminal intentions of Kenyon's posts.

Anyway, I had some questions concerning the different "versions" of Christianity. Could someone explain the differences between say, Evangelists and fundementalists? Thanks.

Apr 27 2005 11:41pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

thewind,

It is what it is man.

Obviously you have not been involved in this thread from the begining. There are plenty of reasons why I posted what I did. And if you dig back through the garbage that has been posted on this thread you'll see why.

I am not telling Kenyon to shut up. I am merely saying that this thread is for the sake of studying the word, and as far as which translation is the word, they all are. In particular, I study the KJV, NIV and Greek Inner linear. I beleive each translation was inpired by God, and there is no way he is going to let it be screwed up so that all of us can be led astray. That would not be fair or just and the Bible clearly states he is just and fair.

So take it how you want it, I told you it was only worth one cent anyways.........if that.

-DM-
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Apr 27 2005 11:17pm

thewind
- Student

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I for one take the Word at face value, that is not to say that I have not done indepth studies of the original greek, cause I have. A study that tells us that words meant a whole lot more back then than they do now. But basically, if you want to bend original greek words around to suit your argument, it is pretty easy to do, on both sides.

Then give us an example, and enlighten us like Kenyon did. I speak four languages and am very aware of the danger of inaccurate translations. However, I have yet to see a case where the original language can be reasonably twisted without modifying the original words or take anything out of context. But please, give us an example of what you mean.

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So lets not confuse this any longer. We all know your smart Kenyon, We all know your feelings on Christians, the Bible and anything you can't touch, taste, feel, and hear.

I find that difficult to believe. Surely Kenyon would not spend all that time and energy to study a subject if he did not find it interesting and hold it in great respect?

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Lets not dance around it anymore and get back to what this thread is actually for, studying the Word. You want to start up a "History" thread to debate the validity of the word, then go right ahead. But I won't stand by and watch this thread get patronized any longer. Sorry man, just my one cent. I respect you and value your freedom to opinion, so dont take this wrong, okay?

So which translated version do you consider to be THE word, then? Which version are the readers of this thread allowed to quote from? Please clarify so no one else makes that mistake again. All that Kenyon has done is to offer the scriptures in their very original languages. I would think that anyone who takes the word of God literally(from what I understand, Koyi himself, the founder of this thread takes the word of the bible literally) would feel that he had an obligation to make an effort to seperate God's word from human fallibility. I understand your frustration and respect your beliefs, but it seems to me what you are suggesting to Kenyon is nothing short of censorship. I am shocked that you would imply that Kenyon has disrespect toward Christians when it is obvious that this man has spent many more hours studying the bible in far more completeness than most readers here.

You could prove him wrong by the sheer infallible logic of your argument or the enlightening grace of your faith. Sadly, right now, you are doing neither and are just telling people to shut up.

This comment was edited by thewind on Apr 27 2005 11:40pm.

Apr 27 2005 10:23pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Alright, I have one cent to throw in.

Normally you guys know you can count on me to throw in my studies regarding various subjects. You also know that all my study is based on the Word of God.

I do have quite alot on this subject of homosexuality. But honestly at this point in the thread, I feel like it would be a waist of time posting it, especially since the scriptures I have are pretty much already visible on this thread.

But this conversation is disguised as a debate on homosexuality, but it is actually a debate on the validity of the Bible in it's translated forms. Thanks Kenyon.

So what I will say is this before we get to far off here, just like any religon, Christianity requires Faith. Faith that the Word is True. Faith that if the Bible is the only thing us Christians have to go by, then God knows this and there is no way he would let man, whom he created, screw it all up for the rest of us.

I for one take the Word at face value, that is not to say that I have not done indepth studies of the original greek, cause I have. A study that tells us that words meant a whole lot more back then than they do now. But basically, if you want to bend original greek words around to suit your argument, it is pretty easy to do, on both sides.

I respect the fact that you like history and seem to have quite alot of resources to back up your arguments. But history did not teach you these arguements. These are your own and you take history and exerpts from it to back you up. If you were a Christian Kenyon, you could find just as many, if not more arguments stating why the Word IS true.

So lets not confuse this any longer. We all know your smart Kenyon, We all know your feelings on Christians, the Bible and anything you can't touch, taste, feel, and hear.

Lets not dance around it anymore and get back to what this thread is actually for, studying the Word. You want to start up a "History" thread to debate the validity of the word, then go right ahead. But I won't stand by and watch this thread get patronized any longer. Sorry man, just my one cent. I respect you and value your freedom to opinion, so dont take this wrong, okay?

-DM-
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