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Jul 01 2004 01:41am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible.
Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing.

I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth.

May God bless us all through his wonderful Word.

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For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE

The Bible Gateway

-DM-

Thank you Darth Mobility.

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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

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Jul 17 2004 06:41pm

Koyi Donita
- Student

Okay, I think where alot of issues came up from is where I stated my beliefs and not the scriptures. I've been studying on this in whatever time I had so now I can post them. I don't have much time, so I'll post what I can and get back to it later. I just want to comment on a few earlier posts.

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God does not expect us to be perfect. He does not expect us to be sinless or blameless.

I disagree with this. The whole law is there to show us that if we did live sinless or perfect/blameless lives, we wouldn't need a savior. God commands us to keep these laws and that is something I feel shouldn't be taken lightly. But enough of my babble, lets look into His Word for the answers.

In Gen.6:9 we read:
9) These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Now we can easily get confused because God tells us in other scriptures such as the Psalms or the ones in Romans that we've posted over and over again that no man is righteous or seeks after God. This raises the question, how can we be perfect or what is perfection in the eyes of God? Just want to touch on a few other scriptures where God commands perfection.

In Gen.17:1 we read:
AND when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

In Deut.18:13 we read:
13) Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

In Psalm 19:7 we read:
7) The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

In Psalm 37:37&38 we read:
37) Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.
38) But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.

In Matt.5:48 we read:
48) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

In John 17:17-23 we read:
17) Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18) As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19) And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20) Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21) That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.
23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

These verses in John 17 are almost the key to understanding what Jesus or God is commanding us in perfection. In verse 23 He says, "I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;". Jesus in making a direct statement claiming that once he enters into those that are to be saved, then they are made perfect.

In Col.3:14 we read:
14) And above all these things put on charity[love], which is the bond of perfectness.

In 2 Tim.3: 16 & 17 we read:
16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17) That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

In Heb. 6:1 we read:
1) THEREFORE leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God.

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First and formost, this is impossible.

This is true and part of why I believe what I believe about salvation. But lets look together at what God has to say about the impossible.

In Matt. 19:23-26 we read:
23) Then said Jesus unto him disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24) And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through th eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25) When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26) But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

In verse 25, it is interesting how they were exceedingly amazed by that saying. Probably because they felt that they could work toward or have some kinda control over their salvation as most do. Then they ask the question, "Who then can be saved"? Not how can rich men be saved. Who then can be saved with exceedingly amazed expressions. The same story can be found in Mark 10:23-27 and Luke 18:24-27.

I just wanted to comment on those ealier posts. They kinda connect into the other scriptures I have studied. I will return later to post them.

Have a good day everybody and may God and His Blessing to the reading of His Word.

Amen.
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

Jul 17 2004 07:47am

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Koyi,

Of course your welcome. You started this thread.

Like I said before, FaDed knows this is Bible Study. Lets just let him study with us and I am sure he will watch his words as not to confuse the topic. He is great to study with, just look at the conversation we had tonight! It was awesome and I think you would really appreciate it.

-DM-
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One Day, it will all end.

Jul 17 2004 06:10am

Koyi Donita
- Student

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Gonna have to agree with the others here Koyi.
When you do share common aspects of scripture with another religious group even if they have a little more or a little less of it, they can always add something from what we all share.

I'm sorry Buzz, but I would have to disagree with you. The Bible as we know it consist of the old and new testaments. At the end of the old testament is the book of Malachi.

In Malachi 4:4-6 we read:
4)Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6) And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Okay, now here we don't witness any sign of an end. Infact, we get the exact opposite with a promise of the sending of the prophet Elijah.

In Matthew 11:9-15 we read:
9) But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more then a prophet.
10) For this is he, of whom it is written, BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER BEFORE THY FACE, WHICH SHALL PREPARE THY WAY BEFORE THEE.
11) Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
12) And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14) And if ye will receive it, this is Elijah, which was for to come.
15) He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Now we can see perfectly that this was a prophesy of more to come. Problem is now when you get to the end of the new testament in Revelations and it ends with a different message.

In Revelation 22:18&19 we read:
18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

God pretty much seals this book off, the old and new testaments together, as one cohesive book where nothing should be added or taken away from. This is what we should be discussing here for this is the very topic in which this thread was started with. Everyone here has the power to start other threads in which they can discuss all the scriptures, writing, literatures, etc. they want pertaining to Jesus Christ, Jehova, Yaweh, God, or whatever other religion/spellings they want. I don't see how I'm in the wrong for trying to filter this thread out so it doesn't get off the topic at hand. If you guys want for me to back out of this thread, just say the word because I'm not feeling very welcome to it anymore and I wouldn't want to be anyone's target when all I'm trying to do is search for truth.

This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Jul 17 2004 06:14am.

Jul 17 2004 05:34am

Koyi Donita
- Student

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Koyi, this is exactly why some people have a major problem with religion and its followers. Faded, in good faith, comes in and tries to add something useful and meaningful in response to Odan's comments and then you come at Faded to reject his beliefs. implying that what he believes in is inferior and inappropriate.

i don't consider myself a christian, so how am i to truely know, but i don't find your actions very christian like. taking issue with what "flavor" of christianity someone is seems to be counterproductive to Jesus' intentions IMHO.

3th. I totally understand what you are saying here. I too do not view myself as a christian which I will post the scriptures why very shortly. I'm not putting down his faith or his beliefs, but I did call for a Bible study.

When I see: Quote:

Article of Faith No. 8
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

I have to raise an eyebrow to this because I am not familar with it and I don't believe that it is Bible based. I have very good reasons for believing that the Bible (both the old and new testaments alone and in there entirety) is the Word of God with no other books, visions, dreams, miracles, etc. adding to them. I totally welcome Faded and his vast knowledge of the Bible for it can be very productive to this thread. However, as soon as outside material is introduced it no longer becomes a study strictly of the Bible and I feel we are getting off the topic at hand. It is completely fine and in Faded's power to start a thread studying the Bible and the Book of Mormon together to search out there truths without changing or harming the subject/discussion of this thread. I stated that it wasn't out of disrespect or anything like that. Guess I'm not to good with words.

Sorry if I offended anybody.
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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Jul 17 2004 05:35am.

Jul 17 2004 03:11am

Buzz
- Student

Gonna have to agree with the others here Koyi. Since Faded isn't posting anything out of the Book of Mormon there's nothing wrong with what he has to say. It would be similar to one of the jewish members here at the academy adding to the discussion by bringing up things in what we call the old testament. When you do share common aspects of scripture with another religious group even if they have a little more or a little less of it, they can always add something from what we all share.
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Jul 17 2004 02:04am

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Boy, okay here it goes..../me cringes....

Koyi, I agree with alot of what you said regarding the book of mormon. However, the mormons do believe in the Bible and the fundamentals of Jesus Christ. FaDed and I have been bouncing stuff back and forth for over a year now without ever telling each other the other one was wrong.

FaDed is very well versed in the Word and I accept his input. He has not posted any text from the Book of Mormon out of respect. I think we should respect his views and definitely welcome his input. Sorry man, but I can't get your back completly on this one.

-DM-
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Jul 17 2004 01:19am

3th
- Retired

Jul 17 2004 12:28am

FaDed
- Student

as far as i'm concerned, i didn't do anything that was contrary to what this thread is for. i proposed a statement that says the Bible is the word of God. the statement is not against the Bible in any way, shape or form. and it doesn't come from the Book of Mormon. i have not posted anything yet that has come from the Book of Mormon.

now, you say let's study the Bible in its entirety. good, i love the idea. but for me, you can't study the Bible in its entirety without the Book of Mormon for the Bible makes many mentions of it.

Ezekiel 37:15-20 KJV
15 The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,
16 Moverover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Isreal his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Isreal his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become on in thine hand.
18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thought meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Isreal his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

at the time of Ezekiel, wooden tablets, or sticks, were commonly used to write on. if you would like read more into that, click here. one stick is to be written for the people of Judah, namely the Jews, who are all descendents of the tribe of Judah. this stick has become known as the Holy Bible, written by the Jews for the children of Isreal. the other stick was written for the tribe of Joseph, specifically his son Ephraim, who was given the birthright. it was also written for the house of Isreal, meaning all the world. for when we become disciples of Christ we are adopted into the House of Isreal and become chosen sons and daughters of God.

the people who's record is contained in the Book of Mormon are known as Nephites and Lamanites, after the men Nephi and Laman. these two men were sons of the prophet Lehi who was a contemporary of the prophet Jeremiah and lived in Jerusalem around 600 BC. Lehi was a descendent of Joseph through the line of Ephraim. the Book of Mormon is a record written by descendents of Lehi and therefore of Joseph. now it can be seen what is meant by the stick of Joseph.

in verse 18, it is asked, what is meant by these two sticks? these two books together become one in the hand of the Lord for they are both books of scripture, contain the word of God, and testify of the divinity and mission of the Savior, Jesus Christ.

the Bible not only makes mention of the Book of Mormon, but Christ himself is recorded speaking about the people of the Book of Mormon.

John 10:14-16 KJV
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

in this passage Christ relates himself as being the shepherd to all of God's children. he speaks of another fold that he must visit and gather together just as he has done with the Jews. a record of that visit is contained within the Book of Mormon.

now, i'm not going to post anything actually from the Book of Mormon. i will respect your wishes, koyi. but to study the Bible in its entirety, a study of the Book of Mormon is necessary, for they are one in the hand of the Lord.

Jul 16 2004 09:42pm

Koyi Donita
- Student

I really don't want to be rude or anything to that mindset Faded. I welcome you to our Bible discussion with open arms.

It is really cool that you have taken an interest in this thread. Only problem that I have is that this thread was set up with the sole purpose of studing the Bible alone and in it's entirety. As far as witnesses go, let us look into that.

In Isaiah 55:1-4 we read:
1)HO, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
2) Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labor for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.
3) Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
4) Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

It should be well known that David was one of the writers of the Bible. The Bible or the Word of God relates to God in the 1st chapter of John.

In John 8:16-18 we read:
16) And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17) It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18) I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

In Heb. 10:26-28 we read:
26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Many prophets came forth from God to present God through His Word to us. God and His Word are our witnesses according to His Word the Bible.

In Revelation 23:18 & 19 we read:
18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19) And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

That tells me that the Bible alone and in it's entirety is the Word of God. God gave His final Revelation in the Bible and warned that nothing would or should be added to or taken away from it.

I'm not trying to sway you from your faith and I respect it my friend. If you even started a simular thread, I would be interested to see some of the conversation that is LDS. Please don't post any more writtings from that book. Thank you.

Jul 16 2004 05:36pm

FaDed
- Student

Article of Faith No. 8
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

this statement comes from a list of 13 that state the basic beliefs of the LDS church known as the Articles of Faith. from this statement, it is plain to see that we believe in the Bible and we believe it holds light and truth that is beneficial for all men. the catch is in its translation. as has already been pointed out, men over the centuries have changed and tailored the Bible to fit their own set of beliefs. it wasn't always done with a malicious attitude, but nonetheless, many plain and precious parts have been lost. it is because of this that we need a second witness of Christ. the Bible says "that in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." (Mat. 18:16)

the LDS church claims to have that second witness, the Book of Mormon: Another Witness of Jesus Christ. we believe that the Book of Mormon supports and elevates the Bible and in no way is a replacement for it. they are to be used together to establish the word.

now, many have said, "i have not found a religion that fits my views." now let me ask this question, do your views fit God's views? mine don't. i don't even pretend to know everything that God knows. but i do know that he has laid out a specific plan for his children and wants us to follow his Only Begotten's example that me may return to him. i believe it is correct to say that a religion needs to fit you. but rather, i believe you need to fit yourself to a religion because that is how God intended it.

Jul 16 2004 04:48pm

Odan-Wei Belouve
- Student

This is exactly my point Moby: where am I going to put my Faith in ?

The current answer is I don't know. Christianism doesn't fit my view on the universe we live in. Neither does any religion I've had the opportunity to discuss. I'm probably more like a wanderer, gathering teachings and knowledge from various sources, as there is one thing I take very seriously: I do not believe a 'single' source can hold the truth, nor do I believe a million human sources do. But picking things from the greatest number is less risky in my eyes than putting all my faith in a single thing. I would be to afraid of what it could mean if I would ever be disappointed by it. Does it make sense ?
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Jul 16 2004 04:22pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Odan-Wei,

That is a very good question. My answer is this:

The Bible says it is the word of God. The scripts from this word are some of the oldest scripts in history.

Because the Bible says that it IS the Word of God, I have chosen to put my faith in it. ALot of people say the original greek was the real Word of God and over the years people have mistranslated it. My feeling is ths, if the Bible is supposed to be the Word of God, and God knows that this is the only thing that us Christians have to go by, then in my opinion, there is NO WAY he would let man, whom he created, screw that up for the rest of us. That would not be just or fair and above all else I know he is Just and Fair.

Also, they do have Greek Innerlinear Bibles that have the original Greek on one page and the three differnet translations on the corresponding pages. People that study this say that the only real differences are the fact that words and numbers had alot more meaning than they do to day, but the translations were still written to account for those differences.

Bottom line, it takes Faith to believe anything that can not be proven. The question is, where are you going to direct your Faith?

-DM-
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Jul 16 2004 12:12pm

Odan-Wei Belouve
- Student

Alright, as a little disclaimer, I am not a religious person although I have intimate convictions that there must be 'something' bigger than us 'somewhere'. I've had a very interesting conversation with Koyi about a week ago I think.

There is one question I wish to ask to the people in here. It is about the Bible itself. I do not deny the fact that It holds precious teachings as most western culture is strongly based on those. But as someone mentioned in this thread before, the Bible has been modified several times over the course of centuries.

So, my question is: Why do christians (in general) believe that the Bible, written by human hands, does hold the Word of God ?

Religions do interest me as means to find my own path, but not as sets of 'rules' to follow. My parents decided not to baptized me as they wanted me to have the choice of my faith. I chose none, probably because I felt that none of them corresponded me truly. But maybe I'm wrong and a religion is something you have to adapt to your life, not the opposite?

I'd be glad to hear your thoughts about my question and the following comment I made.

Odan-Wei
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Jul 16 2004 10:46am

Smilykrazy
- Retired

I love your humblesness Jade. It is very refreshing to have on this thread as we seek gods truth.

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Jul 16 2004 07:25am

skankerkid
- Student

being jewish,
i found this post very interesting and i learned a few things, most about how christians can veiw what they are here to do in the world. Infact there is a person who goes to my high-school who has the exact oppostie and who says the exact opposite if what you preach. and if anyone is interested, please visit my talmud study thread if you would like to learn more about the customs and laws according to the old testimate (or the tanach as it is refered to hebrew).
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Jul 16 2004 04:52am

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Jade,

All I can say is, "Wow". I so appreciate your post. After reading it four times, I realize that your absolutely right. The things we are bringing to light and the scriptures we have been studying have been such a blessing. Just getting into the Word together is fantastic.

In my heart I know that he comes to those that are desperatley seeking him. We will all surely make it if we dont stop seeking him.

-DM-
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One Day, it will all end.

Jul 16 2004 01:17am

Jade
- Student

Shame...shame..VirusD....though I saw some humour in your comments.

However, this is a post about the Bible, God and something very personal....peoples journeys to try to find the path to God and happiness. There have been a few personal accounts of struggles and experiences are being shared here. Therefore, for me I dont mind the slight humour, but please remember to be tactful in your comments as to not upset people.

Thats that over with.

FaDed: WOW! Much much respect for your comment. Very clear - Thank you...I have much to learn!

DM: Great posts earlier - sorry for not commenting on them as I have been busy working through the night on a project.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your journey and I guess like me, a lot has been learned I guess the hard way.

What I am starting to realize here is that the path to salvation is a journey. We may all be on different points of that journey and through our experiences, we may also have slightly different paths hence, why we may have slightly different views.

However, all will not be easy and we will have challenges either early or later on the path. What is definite is that our faith will always be challenged in some way (for me daily through temptations and I guess to some point self thoathing).

The scriptures show us the answers to our questions, but it is also through prayer that show us the truths in the scriptures...it is God who shows us the light...it is God who opens our eyes to the meanings of the scriptures.

Here is something from my personal experience:
I was baptised when I was 26 and was against my parents religeon - buddism (they did not object though).

I did not come to this decision very easily. What I knew was that God was always there, through all troubled and all happy times. I knew I was a Christian because I knew I was talking to Jesus most nights. What I did not know was what church I belonged to. It was soooo confusing...Catholic, Methodist, Church of the Latter Day Saints etc....I tried them all...even Gospel. I was still none the wiser though.

Anyway, in my desperation and confused stupor, I prayed and prayed. I remember this night very clear. I prayed for a long time starting from confused babble to something more calmer and eventually silence. In the silence I had no words, only feelings. I knew God was there with me because I felt the deepest warmth in my chest (something I feel when my faith at its strongest...I miss it at the moment though).

In the absolute silence came this message...strong, bold and clear...I felt its meaning rather than recognised the sound.

"It is not the house that matters but your heart".

My point here is that I dont believe that I nor each of us could agree 100% to each others views here. This is definitely not a bad thing because our enlightenment or the gift of sight is given to us by God. Things are revealed to us gradually by God as and when it is appropriate to us. Just by having this thread is possibly one of these gifts, because I am here commenting and also understanding most of what is been written. I believe through all of your comments you have opened my eyes again and more and more things are becomming clearer....Thank you.

DM, Koyi and everyone else. Please dont feel upset or frustrated if our views are not totally in line with each others. We are all on different parts of the path to salvation and so will be at different points of enlightenment of the scriptures and Gods word.

The main thing to remember is that we are all looking in the same direction......to God.

God Bless You All! Thank you all again for teaching me through your comments.

Jade
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"You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!"

This comment was edited by Jade on Jul 16 2004 01:21am.

Jul 15 2004 11:49pm

VirusD
- Student

never done that i just say i aint interested... thou they always dont leave still

and sry for disrepect lol sry to moby specially lol
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'** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**'
'**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**"
'**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend.

Jul 15 2004 11:47pm

Buzz
- Student

Quote:

Lol ill tell you a secret

your right , i am having fun and your right i have no respect against the bible or anything related do it

I dident disprespect others hmm i hope atleast heh. Well if u got offended in anyway then ups

Its just i mean ur damn posts make me think wierd of you and i always picture u as the guy who comes to my freaking door claiming he has comed to spread the word of god ...damn annoyers lol.
Ok ok i dident mean disrepect against any1.

That right there shows disrespect virus. You are disrespecting something people are believing in. And then you tell them they remind you of the people who come to your door. In case you didn't notice these guys want to have a discussion amongst themselves. They aren't going to your house saying they want to talk about it there. Consider this thread a group gathering that you don't want to be associated with and they're fine with it. So don't drive by yelling stuff and throwing water balloons at them. Because sooner or later they'll call the cops and file a complaint.
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When you are going through Hell, keep going.
-Sir Winston Churchill.

Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it.

Jul 15 2004 11:45pm

VirusD
- Student

heh ok and dude i dident mean to flame but its just my nature to be agressive against things like this

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'** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**'
'**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**"
'**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend.

This comment was edited by VirusD on Jul 15 2004 11:46pm.

Jul 15 2004 11:43pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Your welcome to post here VirusD if you can keep from flaming. But as for me, I wont be responding to your flames anymore. I also would appreciate it if you could refrain from using the Lord's name in vain on this thread. Just common courtesy no?

-DM-
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One Day, it will all end.

This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 15 2004 11:44pm.

Jul 15 2004 11:35pm

VirusD
- Student

wow your fast lol

nah kept posting here becouse i do have oppinion( god damn read the bible thou some time ago) but usually its lost becouse of editing yes i admit my posts turn to flaming AND i do try to fix that thou thats always dont work lol

ed i love this line

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
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'** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**'
'**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**"
'**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend.

This comment was edited by VirusD on Jul 15 2004 11:38pm.

Jul 15 2004 11:32pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

VirusD,

If you have no respect for the Bible or anything in it and your merely posting flame in here because your bored, I would kindly ask you to please stop. If you want to post some crazyness, we have a place for that. This thread is not the place. Thank You.

-DM-
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One Day, it will all end.

Jul 15 2004 11:24pm

VirusD
- Student

lol omfg.I dident come here and say you GOT To , or yay satanism , i just ment that satanism aint about killing/destorying what some people keep saying to me

( no aint a satanist lmao)

I aint cute

that hurted

Lol ill tell you a secret

your right , i am having fun and your right i have no respect against the bible or anything related do it

I dident disprespect others hmm i hope atleast heh. Well if u got offended in anyway then ups

Jul 15 2004 11:05pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

VirusD,

We all know your having a great time coming into our Bible study thread and telling us we should study satanism and rolling in with your one liners that you think are cute and clever. I think it is very disrespectful of you.

And as far as narrow minded? I have studied in depth numerous religions and faiths. I have come to my conclusion based on these studys. It took me a long time to get here and if you want to call me narrow minded, then fine...but at least I tested the waters.

This thread is about the Bible and our study of it. If you want us to check out satanism and post things like this, then start your own thread.

And for the record, I was calling Satan an idiotic coward, not anyone else.

-DM-

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One Day, it will all end.

This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 15 2004 11:09pm.

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