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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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VirusD - Student 
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lol and damn ur narrow minded  , i mean damn i respect ur belif in god but if you say everything else is idiotic etc then god damn you ( how u spell the minded thing ) _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. This comment was edited by VirusD on Jul 15 2004 10:59pm. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Thanks VirusD, I actually have studied Satanism along with numerous other new age belief systems. Nothing Shocking, it is all pretty ridiculous to me, but then again when you try to pit something that was concieved in the mind of a idiotic, coward against the pure, unadulterated Truth of Almighty God...how could expect any less? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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VirusD - Student
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me2 oh well i recomend you read about satanism 2 ( or how the hell u spell that in english ) you would get shocked not in bad way btw _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Quote: I feel like we are going in circles. LOL yeah it seems so. I dont want you think that I am not listening to your posts. All I am saying is that something in my soul is troubling me about everything here. Thats all. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Very Nice Colin, On the Salvation Aspect, I agree with you 100%. I am very glad the LDS believes in salvation as it is written. Well done! /me slaps Colin with a Bible with CTF engraved on the front. COME BACK AND PLAY WITH US!!!!!!!!! -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 15 2004 09:02pm. |
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FaDed - Student 
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allow me to bring the LDS side to the table. it is true, we are saved by grace, for salvation comes through the atonement of christ and his resurrection. Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. 9 Not works, lest any man should boast. now let's break this passage down. it says by grace we are saved through faith. in the pre-existence we had faith enough in christ that he would do as he said he would, that is, he would come down and atone for our sins and overcome death through the resurrection. because of our faith, we followed him. salvation comes through the grace of God, salvation meaning we will all be resurrected. without christ doing what he did, there would be no resurrection. all would be lost. and so "it is the gift of God" that we are saved. every man and woman that has ever come to this earth, lived, and then died will be reunited with their body. and then the judgement comes... it is also true that we are not saved by our works. for if that were true, we would not need the atonement or christ because we would be getting ourselves into heaven. but works do play a vital role in the plan of happiness. Revelations 20:12-13 KJV 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. after we are resurrected, we will stand before God and we will be judged. we will be judged by our works. now how do we know what works are? works are such things as faith in christ, baptism, repentance, and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. works are also the covenants we make with our Heavenly Father and the ordiances that we fulfill. by these things will we be judged and by these things it is decided what glory we will recieve. though, this is not all. as i said earlier, works will not get us into heaven, it is by grace that we are saved. this time salvation has another meaning, exaltation. once we are judged according to our works and if those works are all that we could do, meaning we held nothing back, but instead we gave our whole selves and lives to God, it is then that grace kicks in. because no man is perfect and it is impossible for us to become perfect on our own, christ's atonement makes up for what we lack. and so again, we are saved by the grace of God. in short, there are two phases of salvation. first, the gift of God being resurrection of all mankind. this is the freebie. second, salvation meaning meaning exaltation, where after we are judged according to our works, the grace of God makes up the difference for what we lack. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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I feel like we are going in circles. Quote: I have seen so many scriptures saying that by your own works you can not be saved, but by gods forgiving grace only may you have salvation. That is what I have been saying all along. Are we not debating the fact that we are saved by grace vs. God coming down from heaven and revealing himself to you before you are saved? To become, "Chosen"? The basis for this study keeps shifting and I am not sure what you guys are looking for anymore, lol. I guess I am missing something. I have posted every scripture I could find stating the fact that we are saved by grace not by works, lest any man should boast. We still have to keep his commandments because he commands us to. Is there another aspect I am just not getting? Do I need to refocus my study on a particular area that you guys are having trouble with? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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DM, Thanks for the post. I understand what you are saying. I really wish that just by accepting christ I could be saved. To do what he commands, to ask for forgiveness, etc. I admire your knowledge of the bible also DM. But something deep inside still troubles me greatly. I have seen so many scriptures saying that by your own works you can not be saved, but by gods forgiving grace only may you have salvation. Its so strange because as I read the bible I see your point of view and I see koyis as well. But something deep in my soul troubles me still. About the book you left DM, i appreciate the info on it, however books are written by the thoughts of men. The bible is written by god. I really want to just study that. Thanks though! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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I do have sinful thoughts sometimes. But like I said, i recognize it immediately (most of the time) and ask for forgivness. You see, there is also the human nature side of things. Alot of people confuse this with sin. Example: I am sitting out in my front yard and a beautiful woman walks by me on the side walk. Human Nature says: Wow, that is a beautiful woman! Sin says: Wow, that is a beautiful woman, then lets lust take over that thought. Also, let me clarify by saying, there are times when your thoughts come out of your mind or mouth before you have time to think. This is without a doubt my biggest problem and I have gotten in more trouble in my life over this one thing than you can imagine. But when I take a snapshot of where I was 6 years ago and I look at myself today, I can see the Baby Steps and the different exercises I have adopted such as, "Respond not React", that have made me better and have allowed me to control myself more. See what I am saying? I knew by what I posted prior that it would seem, "Moby is on a high horse". But the beauty of it is, I AM NOT. It is God who has helped me over come my struggles. Because I gave them over to him and told him I can't do it alone. I remind him of his promise that, "Ask anything in my name and it will be done". I remind him AND the accuser that I am a child of God and have the right to every promise he gave us. I RECIEVE those promises and give him the glory. Please don't get me wrong, I am not perfect and will never be. BABY STEPS = Continuous Improvement Hope that made sense....sorry I don't have the gift of saying what I mean sometimes. hehe Here is a good book on sinful thoughts -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 15 2004 02:08am. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Good question virus!! I think we need to study that! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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VirusD - Student
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what the hell are sinful thoughts? _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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DM, Are you saying that now that you are a believer in Jesus that you no longer have sinful thoughts? By no longer I mean have few sinful thoughts. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Jul 15 2004 01:47am. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Koyi, I never said we are to be held blameless for all we do. I also never said that because Jesus died, we can go about our business and not follow his commandments. I think your getting off track. The original question, and correct me if I am wrong, was, "We all are not saved just by choosing God, he has to choose us and reveal himself to us for us to be saved and counted as his elect." Right? Quote: "I on my own won't come to you. I will not seek you. I have and always will break Your laws without Your help." If this is your prayer, then I might be able to understand where your coming from. Is your life so full of sin you have just come to accept the fact that you can never please God because you know you will never stop doing the things you do? And based on this are you saying that you are not saved because you willingly and will always break his rules? This might sound really pride filled and / or egotistical, which is not my intent but here it goes. I refuse to pray that prayer because for me it simply is not true. Over the course of my life, I have been through more sinful ways and lifestyles than I can count. I fought for years to make my own stand and to come to my own realizations as so many people do. I had to hit rock bottom before I turned to the Lord. There came a point in my life where I decided enough was enough, and I can honestly say that I turned from EVERY wicked and evil sin that corrupted my mind and my view of God. I don't believe I did this on my own. I believe he was always right there shaping my life to end up where I am today. But it started by ME SEEKING IT with everything that was in me. I will not seek you, I have and always will break your laws? Sorry man, that is not my prayer. Because I do seek him and guard my mind and refuse to break his laws. Do I slip once in a while? Yes. But it is getting few and far between. And when I do slip, I immediately recognize it and ask for his forgiveness for loosing it, for whatever it was I did. As I said before, it is a progression of Baby Steps. It is continuous improvement he looks for. A truly repentent heart. I could go back and post all the scriptures I have posted to back what I am saying here. But I think the most important and simple scripture is this: In John 3:16-18 Jesus said: 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[6] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. The WORLD, is EVERYONE, you and me and the rest of our fellow man. We all get the chance because he is just and true. If your having difficulty following the ways you know are right, then that should be your focus. He loves you and accepts you for the way you are. He knows you better than you know yourself. He is ready to help you and give you the strength to over come any sin in your life man. All you have to do is seek it. IMHO. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 15 2004 12:27am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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I just want to comment on this really fast but will study the scriptures for the true post. It's like a man or a group of men (the whole human race) going to court to stand trial for their crimes. The judge sentences them all to death (the 2nd death) for their crimes (sins) and that is a fitting punishment. Now one and only one man comes forth (the Lord Jesus Christ) perfectly blameless and without committing any crimes (sins) and asks the judge (God the father) if there is any way he could suffer the punishment for these men in their place. The Judge agrees to it, 1) because the man doesn't have to suffer their fates because he is without crimes and 2) all that is required is for someone to pay the price for what they have done and all that they will do. So this man (Jesus) goes to death (the second death) and these men are held unaccountable and blameless because all that they have ever done and will do has been fulfilled in this man dying for them. Now how is it that with all of everyones sins payed for are we still held accountible if we don't do God's Commandments? Doesn't make sense to me because not believing in God and not doing His will is the heart of sin. If this was paid in full, why would we be required to do it? It's a done deal, finished from before the foundation of the world. Mobility, please go back and read the scriptures I posted again really slowly and prayerfully because they don't agree with this. What Christians have been taught and have been lead to believe was the thoughts of men based on the Bible. Not much different from what we are doing here, I will agree. I think that we need to wipe our minds clear of whatever we believe or think and earnestly come to God saying, "Teach us O Lord. I know nothing. I on my own won't come to you. I will not seek you. I have and always will break Your laws without Your help. I am not worthy of Your mercy. God, you are a forgiving God full of rich mercy and full of grace. Please let it be that through Your will and Your spirit that I might be able to hear Your Word and Love You in a way that is pleasing to You." I'm praying for everyone here that we might come to truth. Let us humble ourselves to God's Word and really try to hear His message. The more scripture posted here in discussion the better. Let us not search for truth through our thoughts and minds, but through the scriptures for that is why they were givin to us. God bless all of us. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Absolutely Koyi. edit* well as far as people in the PAST, all the people before Christ came were bound by the laws of righteousness which dictated you sacrafice your best lamb and fruits for your sins. When he came and died on the cross a new covenant was made. He was the ultimate sacrafice and did away with the old laws of righteousness as I posted in the scriptures: "Christ is the end (the fulfilling and exhausting) of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth" (Romans 10:4). For Christ is not a helper, but He is the Saviour. He did not come to enable us to save ourselves by keeping a mitigated law, but to keep the unmitigated law in our room, that the law might have no claim for penalty upon any sinner in Christ. Mike, You've hit the nail on the head. Great work man! -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 14 2004 10:31pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I agree with what DM says. it is what I have always believed. Live as Jesus would want you to live "WWJD -> What Would Jesus Do?" is actually a popular slogan on bracelets and stuff like that. I really believe in what DM said. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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So what you are saying is that Jesus Christ payed for the sins of the entire world, every last living person here in ages past, in the present, and those to come and it is up to us all to reach out and accept Him as our personal Lord and Savior, to live as He would have us live, and then we will be saved? _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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You definitley have to keep his commandments. That is just part of being a Christian, or, "Christ Like". What I am saying is there is no being, "Chosen" and some people are and some people are not. He has chosen all of us already, it is up to us to choose him and live the life he has laid down the framework for. We absolutely can not have any lifestyles of sin. This is not to say we can not sin for us to make it. We just cant continually do the things he has commanded us not to do. If we fall, we have to ask for forgiveness and truly do our very best to turn from that sin. He knows our heart. And with his help, we all can do it. It just takes effort and a willingness to follow Christ all the way. Not just a little bit. My argument was not that he saved us all through grace and that is it. Sorry if you misunderstood me. We absolutely have to live right. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: I'll conclude with this. The Bible says we can not love God and not keep his commandments. We may cry, "Lord, Lord" and he will deny us if we don't keep his commandments. Absolutely True. So, the answer seems obvious, "KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS THEN" Don't lie, cheat, steal, swear, use his name in vain, covet, have ego, murder, lust, commit adultery, get drunk, etc, etc..... Are these things really that hard not to do? Not for those that love God. But if you slip up, his is faithful and just to forgive you. Wouldn't this have to make us work for our salvation then? I was just wondering, because I thought you backed the discussion about our work not being a part of our salvation.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Alright, so... Those who do not hear - Those who reject the word of God... Those who are called - Those who aren't "born again"(for lack of a better term), but are not yet "saved"... Those who are Chosen - Those who are "saved"... Those who are rejected - Those who claim to be "born again", but are not sincere... Am I getting that right? It's what I gather from Jade's post.. which, by the way, is AWESOME! Way to go Jade |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Off out to a RL (tm) Bible Study now, so umm, I'll type something later/tomorrow _______________ Website |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Koyi, It is cool if you disagree with me on this one. However, those scriptures referencing the, "Elect". In the origanl texts, the scolars say, that the Elect are always referenced as Israel and the Jews, God's Chosen People. I am short on time, but I will post these studys further. Tha parable of the Wedding Banquet proves my point when you really read it. Lets Look at the parable first. [b]The Parable of the Wedding Banquet Jesus answered and spoke again in parables to them, saying, "The Kingdom of Heaven is like a certain king, who made a marriage feast for his son, and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the marriage feast, but they would not come. Again he sent out other servants, saying, 'Tell those who are invited, "Behold, I have made ready my dinner. My oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the marriage feast!"' But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his merchandise, and the rest grabbed his servants, and treated them shamefully, and killed them. When the king heard that, he was angry, and sent his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned their city. "Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those who were invited weren't worthy. Go therefore to the intersections of the highways, and as many as you may find, invite to the marriage feast.' Those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together as many as they found, both bad and good. The wedding was filled with guests. But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man who didn't have on wedding clothing, and he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here not wearing wedding clothing?' He was speechless. Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and throw him into the outer darkness; there is where the weeping and grinding of teeth will be.' For many are called, but few chosen." [/b] "Then he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those who were invited weren't worthy. Go therefore to the intersections of the highways, and as many as you may find, invite to the marriage feast." You see, they only were not worthy because they rejected the invitation. The Invitation was to EVERY ONE YOU CAN FIND. Some took it and some did not. Those who accepted it, were welcomed with open arms, (into the kingdom of heaven). Then there was the one that accepted the invitation and did not "dress appropriately". Of course this represents the Luke Warm, in which God will, "Spew you out of his mouth". Of course these are my interpretations. It seems very clear to me, but I could be wrong. However, lets look at the other side of this. I just can not believe for one second that the God I serve plays favorites. He gave our lives to us, and we are here because He created us and allowed us to be born. The Bible says, "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you" (Jeremiah 1:5). I refuse to believe that God created any one of us with the sole intention of sending us to Hell. That is not to say that he does not know which path each of us will choose. I believe he already knows how each of us will choose to live our lives and whether or not we accept the gift of Life through Jesus Christ, his son. As far as revealing himself to us to make us fall into the category of, "Chosen". Exactly what do you think that means? Does he not reveal himself to us through his Word? Does he not reveal himself to us through his creation? Does his Holy Spirit within us tell us which way to go and prick our conscience? Has he not revealed himself to you by drawing you near to the Truth? What is it exactly your looking for? Divine Healing, like JamesF1's Mom? Who he touched and made to walk after being bound to a wheel chair? Most of us are not lucky enough to witness first hand the Physical move of God's hand. But I believe we all are lucky enough to be exposed to the Truth and get the chance to claim what is rightfully ours as his children. You see, I serve a just and true God. A God who loves us all equally as his children. [i]ROMANS 5:6-8 NKJ 6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.[/i] I'll respect your right to believe what you will about God. But it seems like such a miserable way to look at your relationship with him. I'll conclude with this. The Bible says we can not love God and not keep his commandments. We may cry, "Lord, Lord" and he will deny us if we don't keep his commandments. Absolutely True. So, the answer seems obvious, "KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS THEN" Don't lie, cheat, steal, swear, use his name in vain, covet, have ego, murder, lust, commit adultery, get drunk, etc, etc..... Are these things really that hard not to do? Not for those that love God. But if you slip up, his is faithful and just to forgive you. It is by a perfect law that we are saved; else it would be an unholy salvation. It is by a perfect law fulfilled in "every jot and tittle" that we are saved; else it would be an unrighteous salvation. The Son of God has kept this law for us; He has magnified it and made it honorable; and thus we have a holy and righteous salvation. Though above law in Himself, He was made "under the law" for us; and by the vicarious law-keeping of His spotless life, as well as by endurance unto death of that law's awful penalties, we are redeemed from the curse of the law. "Christ is the end (the fulfilling and exhausting) of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth" (Romans 10:4). For Christ is not a helper, but He is the Saviour. He did not come to enable us to save ourselves by keeping a mitigated law, but to keep the unmitigated law in our room, that the law might have no claim for penalty upon any sinner in Christ. I believe this to be the Truth. Please don't live your lives feeling unworthy. It is the Acuser who tells you this, not God. IMHO Love you guys, -DM- This is pretty funny stuff here. _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 14 2004 04:29am. |
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Jade - Student 
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Nice posts DM, Koyi. I am inclined to agree with Koyi on this one. I have been trying to understand the parable of the Wedding Banquet - "Many are called, few are chosen". What does this mean...? I think it means what Koyi is saying. We are not all saved. I have read an explanation of this and am starting to relate or understand it better. Anyway, here goes. Basically, there are four groups of people mentioned. Those who do not hear Those who are called Those who are Chosen Those who are rejected Those who do not hear: These are the righteous people who preach the word or the atheists whot are hardened or blinded by satan. These people will suffer as Koyi mentioned...the second death Those who are called: The ones who are called are the people who God has taken away the hardness or the blindness to see his will. These are the people who he calls to hear his preachings or understand his word. These are the sinners who are invited from the streets (you and I who are sinners through and through) Those who are chosen: These are the people who not only hear the words to act in accordance to them. These are not only the hearers, but the doers! These are the chosen people whom God will bring into salvation. Those who are rejected: In the parable, the King sees one person who is not dressed correctly - he is bound hand and foot and thrown into the darkness (you know what that means...) So the story here is: God is only interested in sinners....as we've all mentioned before, there are no persons here (earth) who is without sin...only those who wrongly think so. If you dont acknowledge him then he cannot save you from a fate worse than death.....the second death If you acknowledge him, then it is not enough just to hear his words and not change your ways. You will not have the right dress code...you will be rejected. To be Chosen, you need to acknowledge him by hearing his words, understand them and change your ways accordingly from when you are baptised with the spirit until the end of life. This is not an easy task. We need to keep working at it day after day and show our commitment. I am sure he does not expect perfection, but to consistently keep trying to change our ways and improve. On another note: I write these words and though I am inspired by them, I would like to shout out "Hipocrite!". It is easy to write these words, it is easy to be fooled that we are on track. Even if we are commended for a good post, it is easy to become complacent. However, it is SOOOO hard to DO what the words say. This is where I fail and am failing. It is not meant to be easy, but I know God is V. generous and forgiving.....this understanding is way beyond my ability. He is very generous to me and so forgiving...I would have given up on me long ago. I am so humbled into shame that he still answers my prayers even after I have sinned... Once again I thank you all for the posts and the thread that inspires me to think and read about God. You have saved me again from my temptations....for now. May God Bless you all and guide you on the paths you walk. Take care everyone Jade _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" This comment was edited by Jade on Jul 14 2004 02:49am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: God does choose us, yes your right! However, he has chosen each one of us on this planet. It is up to US to choose him. He has given all of us a free, moral decision. We either choose him or we don't. He sent his son to die for ALL OF US. Whether or not we accept that gift is up to us. He is so Awesome!!! I would have to disagree with you on this one DM. Let us look more closely into God's Word together to see what He has to say about His elect. In Rom.9:6-23 we read: 6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED. 8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 9) For this is the word of promise, AT THIS TIME WILL I COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON. 10) And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; ) 12) It was said unto her, THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER. 13) As it is written, JACOB HAVE I LOVED, BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED. 14) What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15) For he saith to Moses, I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I WILL HAVE COMPASSION. 16) So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy. 17) For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, EVEN FOR THIS SAME PURPOSE HAVE I RAISED THEE UP, THAT I MIGHT SHOW MY POWER IN THEE, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE DECLARED THROUGHOUT ALL THE EARTH. 18) Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19) Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20) Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21) Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor? 22) What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23) And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, In Ephesians 1:4 we read: 4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be hold and without blame before him in love. In 1 Peter 1:2 we read: 2) Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, In Hebrews 4:1-5 we read: 1) LET us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2) For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3) For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, AS I HAVE SWORN IN MY WRATH, IF THEY SHALL ENTER INTO MY REST: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4) For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS. 5) And in this place again, IF THEY SHALL ENTER INTO MY REST. In Revelation 20:10-15 we read: 10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. These scriptures show me that God chose of the people those that He would call to Him. Some he created unto mercy and others unto destruction. Free will is taken out of the picture completely when we read these verses carefully. Quote: Anyways, I just want to say something else. I am so glad we have this thread to share with eachother. What a rejuvinating, powerful thing this study has been. It has been truly annointed. I SOOO look forward to continuing sharing Truth together. God Bless You ALL!!!! I totally agree with you on this DM. We have finally set up a place where we all can come together and study, prove lessons, reprove lessons, but most of all hopefully come to truth and salvation through our Lord and Savior. I have more to come on your previous post. Just been so busy lately. :/ _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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I am glad Smily!!! See, to condense this down even further just to clarify my point one last time: God does choose us, yes your right! However, he has chosen each one of us on this planet. It is up to US to choose him. He has given all of us a free, moral decision. We either choose him or we don't. He sent his son to die for ALL OF US. Whether or not we accept that gift is up to us. He is so Awesome!!! Anyways, I just want to say something else. I am so glad we have this thread to share with eachother. What a rejuvinating, powerful thing this study has been. It has been truly annointed. I SOOO look forward to continuing sharing Truth together. God Bless You ALL!!!! -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 13 2004 10:23pm. |
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