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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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LOL JAMES I just meant you usually post: Great post DM!!! I agree 100%! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Quote: I am waiting for the JamesF1 post. Ooooh, forgot about that - been a tad over-worked these past few days  So many jobs to do, I have more to do in the holidays than during term I'll try to type something more in-depth later/tomorrow _______________ Website |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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/me ties 25 bullhorns together and shouts, "JAMESF1"!!!!1111!!!!oneone!!!!111!!!111one!!!!1shiftone!!111!!onethousandonehundredeleven!!!111!!!!! -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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I am waiting for the JamesF1 post. I totally agree with ya DM!! Great post!! hehehehhehehe!! I have a lot to read here. Thanks koyi and DM!! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Good Stuff Koyi!!! I have also been studying the other side of the coin so to speak and have spent some time with some Calvinist friends of mine, who share alot of the same views. In a sense, I feel both you and I are right Koyi. I do not beleive that you can just rely on the grace of God and the Justification from Jesus Christ to be saved. You absolutely have to walk the walk. I think the question that rises to the surface now is, "What exactly does it mean to walk the walk and truly walk in his promises and be saved"? See, there have been some statements such as, "I am not saved because I sin still and God says a man that says he loves me, yet does not keep my commandments, is a liar and I do not know him". So just what does that mean? Does that mean all of us that know we love God, yet have struggles in our lives, are we not saved? Are we liars? Do we just not love him enough? I was having a conversation with another student here at JA recently about this exact topic. My conclusion is this: God does not expect us to be perfect. He does not expect us to be sinless or blameless. First and formost, this is impossible. There has never been a man that did not sin, we all know what Romans 3:23 says about that. Secondly, we are humans, born into a world of sin. Human nature alone tempts us. Can we turn from sin? Absolutely. Can we live our lives completely sinless? No, and that is not the expactation, nor is it what he requires. What he is looking for is this; that we confess with our mouths that we are sinners and repent of our sins. True repentence means, "I am sorry, AND I will do everything I can to turn from this sin". Sometimes it takes a while to get these sins out of our lives. Especially when these sins have become part of our lifestyle. But see, he is not looking for us to all of a sudden to change overnight, he wants to see the sincerity of our hearts and our honest efforts to turn from sin. As long as he sees that and as long as he sees CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT, we are still saved. Of course, true committment goes along way. This road is very hard as well. But you must REPENT, truly REPENT to be saved. You can't just keeping asking for forgiveness and turn around and do it again and start that vicious cycle. We serve a JUST God, and a Fair God who loves us very much. We are his children, and just like me with my own children, I forgive them when I know they are truly sorry. And I see the work they put into thier lives to change and I reward that behavior. I feel God does the same with us. He loves us so much! His Grace is SOOO sufficient for us. Father, I just want to take a moment and thank you for your wonderful Grace. Thank you for this day and all your blessings. I thank you for this study and for us to have a place to truly seek your Truth together as a family. Bless those who maintain this place and reveal yourself to them in a mighty way. Thank you for your goodness and love that we might have eternal life forever with you. Amen. Let me offer this final word. Eph. 2:4-7 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved  6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. A man walked up to Jesus one day and asked, "What must I do to be saved"? Jesus said, "Repent and be baptised, and you will be saved". Ephes. 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 12 2004 06:04am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Okay... I'm pleased to announce that it is officially time to get back to the Bible. DM. I've studied your views on justification and found that every scripture you posted to be absolutely true. It isn't by the works of the law that one becomes saved but by the faith of Christ saving us. Our faith in Him comes from Him. The only thing is the scriptures that I've posted in the past still ring in my ears. I'll repost some for discussion. In Galatians 5:1-6 we read: 1) STAND fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2) Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3) For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5) For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6) For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. In James 2:14-26 we read: 14) What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16) And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works. 19) Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21) Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22) Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23) And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS IMPUTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS: and he was called the Friend of God. 24) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25) Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26) For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. In Romans 8:8-14 we read: 8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9) But ye are not oin the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13) For if ye live after the flesh, ys shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Can we see from these scriptures why I think the way I do now? Yes, justification is a huge part of the salvation message, but it is God's Spirit that dwells within us making our bodies alive in action as we are lead by Him. He puts to death or mortifies the deeds of our bodies so we no longer dwell in sin and are fully capable of following His commandments. We can then do the work not to save ourselves by our works, but to follow His commandments as the examples of Abraham and Rahab. Upon receiving His Word, they followed His Word and His will. Again, Jesus says in John 14:15, 21-31 we read: 15) If ye love me, keep my commandments. .... 21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22) Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24) He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. 25) These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. 27) Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28) Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater then I. 29) And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe. 30) Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the price of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 31) But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence. In 1 John 1:5-7 we read: 5) This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. In 1 John 2:3-6, 9-11 we read: 3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5) But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6) He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. .... 9) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10) He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 11) But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes. In Romans 10:1-5 we read: 1) BRETHREN, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2) For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3) For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5) For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, THAT THE MAN WHICH DOETH THOSE THINGS SHALL LIVE BY THEM. Now let us take a quick look back at earlier scripture. In Romans 3:9-20 we read: 9) What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; 10) As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE: 11) THERE IS NONE THAT UNDERSTANDETH, THERE IS NONE THAT SEEKETH AFTER GOD. 12) THEY ARE ALL GONE OUT OF THE WAY, THEY ARE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, NO, NOT ONE. 13) THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN SEPULCHER; WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY HAVE USED DECEIT; THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS: 14) WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS: 15) THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD: 16) DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR WAYS: 17) AND THE WAY OF PEACE HAVE THEY NOT KNOWN: 18) THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES. 19) Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world my become guilty before God. 20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. I don't think we give this passage enough thought although we post it all the time. No one can believe or come unto God or follow His commandments of themselves. We only fool ourselves I believe when we think that there is anything we can do to become saved. Even as Galations pointed out that faith is work, our believing upon God can never be accomplished of ourselves. Jesus spoke about such people so that we will know that not everyone who calls upon Him is His. In Matthew 7:21-23 we read: 21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. God. I beg of you to please open all of our eyes and our hearts unto You and Your Holy Word. Please place within us a righteous spirit, Your Righteous Spirit that we may live in You and for You. Please give us a Godly fear of You that You speak of in Psalm 147:11. In Psalm 5:4 and 5 you tell us that You have no pleasure in our wickedness and hate all workers of iniquity, but you also tell us in Ezekiel 33:11 that you have no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Please God, please deliever us from Your wrath which we so rightly deserve. Use us O Lord for Your will and lead us so that we may love you and truely worship you. Thank you for this opportunity to look into Your wonderful Word, for us coming together seeking Your Truth, and for your long suffering of our constant rebellion. Please bless us with the reading of Your Word not for our sakes, but for Your Glory. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Jul 11 2004 10:57pm. |
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Menaxia - Student 
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just to add to Mike - I'm sorry for ripping the p*ss guys _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Jade - Student 
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Jesus also said, "let the person who is without sin cast the first stone...." Everyone makes mistakes and everyone has bad days. However, not everyone says sorry. Much, much respect to you Mike for your good integrity. You are rated high in my book. I'm not sure if I would have the courage to have done the same, but *me bows to you* God bless and take care Jade _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" This comment was edited by Jade on Jul 10 2004 05:05pm. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Quote: I want to apologise to everyone for my comments here.. they were the result of a misguided hate, and I hope that those I hurt can forgive me. I've just experienced a big change... i'll let you guys know soon. The Bible tells us to expect to be opposed and hated for the name of Jesus. So its not really a surprise and it instilled no hurt in my heart I forgive you man _______________ Website |
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Tido - Student 
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Just wanted to commend DM and Jade for keeping cool heads and a smile on their faces when being challenged. Well done! |
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Good to hear, JJ _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
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<Henkes> nebody feeling like abusing me with a lightsaber?|+Smilykrazy grabs Gradius, beats the living CRAP out of him, then throws him into a huge vat of ACID |
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I want to apologise to everyone for my comments here.. they were the result of a misguided hate, and I hope that those I hurt can forgive me. I've just experienced a big change... i'll let you guys know soon. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Jade, lol, dont get me wrong.... I have a real hard time too, but all I am saying is it gets easier and easier for me if I stay strong to it. And the scriptures certainly encourage me and all of us on these things, /me high fives Jade -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Jade - Student
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Hmmm...that was a bit of a shame. Thanks DJ, Buzz for cooling the flames. Mike: I am sorry that you feel this way now. Your post on 6 July 12:24am was so inspiring and wonderful though - respect to you! Anyway, nice comments DM. This is similar to my view of life (though it doesn't mean I am always able to stick by it...I'm not that good...much respect to you DM). Anyway, my thoughts are: The greatest way to respect God is to "Show" not "Say". If you say the right things but not act as you say, then you are only destroying Gods work. If you "Show" Gods work by:- - the way you act, - the way you are kind and generous, - the way you are forgiving, - the way you are humble, - the way you are loving and caring then others will see this and respect you and then see you as an example of Gods work...this is to promote the word of God. There is no need for "Bible bashing" as it is called here, although I respect those who do it as it is a great test for their faith. I think somewhere in the Bible it says something along the lines of ... when you pray, there is no need go to the churches or in the streets and show everyone you are praying, dont pray loudly so that others can hear, dont make a big thing about your prayer or your good deed. To pray is to hide yourself in a private place and pray quietly and privately and dont go and tell everyone that you have prayed. Not the exact words of course, but you know what I mean...I think it was from Luke....(maybe someone can correct this and find the right words...) ANyway, thats my bit to answer you DM. On another note: I would just like to say, for anyone who may feel that this thread is not of use or may question if this is being productive....I am your example to answer this.....if it takes 100 comments to save one person for just one day from temptation then it is worth it! I have not been to church for a while. I have not read the bible for a while. I have not prayed properly for a while and I have not been a good person. Through this thread, it has opened my eyes again (although I have never lost my faith). I have been lazy, but this has inspired me to pick up my Bible again and start to read. Thank you everyone! "To be hurt physically is nothing, To be hurt mentally is nothing, To hurt inside for no reason is nothing but to be alone....that is tough..... God is always by your side, you only need to turn to talk to him...he will carry you through the hard times and rejoice with you in the good. He is there even if you ignore him, never holding grudges, never having a bad day and never too busy for you. Believe me, this is as true as the sun rises each day!...I would not be here otherwise". Take care everyone and may God bless you all Jade _______________ "You don't know the power of the dark side....Buurrp!" This comment was edited by Jade on Jul 09 2004 06:49am. |
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Quote: WOOOT GO MIKE! My point exactly. IMO posts like this have no place in the JA. This is a place for recreation, not religious conversion that inevitably turns into a grudge match and then finally into a flame war. Yes this is a place for recreation Mena. Consider this though, some people do enjoy discussing things about their faith. So that makes it a form of recreation. No one is actually being force to come to this thread or read it when they linked to it. I'm sure you guys have been linked to "fun" threads a thousand times in a row and didn't look at them each and every time. Since we have members who believe in these things and want to discuss them, and enjoy discussing them, these threads have a place. But if you really think these don't have a place here at the academy. Consider you making a post about some fun thing or a sport you love to play/watch or some aspect of your life. Others agree with you and start discussing it. Then some people who think the exact opposite of you, they absolutely hate it, and go and try their hardest to make you feel like morons for wanting to discuss it. Would you like to have them saying that your conversation has no place here? Or would you prefer to tell them that if they don't want to have a polite discussion about it, to not bother looking at the thread anymore. I mean come on, if you don't like what's being discussed you're not being forced to be involved. There is no reason to go the path of "I don't like what you're talking about so stop it" here. And if its a part of our members here then it has a place here. We aren't a group of people that thinks Freedom of Religion means you are forbidden from ever talking about it. It means Freedom and you having the right to talk about and discuss it. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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/me adjusts his manties and proceeds..... "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one to another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye love one another." (John 13:34-35) I am trying really hard to apply this one to lots of areas of my life. I definitly have found that more people are responsive to my, "LOVE" than my, "WORDS". I am really starting to see this more and more. I am straight down with the whole, "Random acts of Kindness" philosophy. Doing it in the name of Jesus and giving him all the glory for it. It is the Golden Rule. It becomes more and more true for me as I get older it seems. It also gets easier and easier the more I do it. How about you guys? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 09 2004 04:16am. |
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This thread's here to discuss the bible, not to bash christians. If you don't like the thread title then don't click it. If you do click it and don't like it: a) try not to get your manties in a bunch b) close the window/tab Now if you think a thread is breaking academy rules then let me or any other JAC know. This thread is harly breaking anything though. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Mike, I am not sure who is sending you this link, but be assured we are not trying to shove anything down your throat man. You may just politely ask those people to stop sending it to you. If the problem persists then there are other avenues you can take. As much as I would love for you to get into this study with us and have you question your atheistic views, you certainly dont have to. Thanks for respecting us man Koyi, another profound scripture on that subject is: that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto rightousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:13 -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 08 2004 11:14pm. |
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I don't, the problem is, I have people messaging me on IRC, MSN, etc, saying HEY LOOK AT THIS THREAD, and I click on the link.. and it's either this thread, or the other one. I'm fed up of having this, which is in my opinion, misguided, primitive hokey, shoved down my throat. Like I said before - Piss on my picnic, i'll take a dump on yours. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I would just like to politely ask for all of the people out there disrespecting others to stop it. One of the things the Jedi Academy is built on is respect. Respect my wishes and be more constructive with your time. If you don't like the material here, why read or post at all? Just read another thread, chat on mirc, talk on skype, or play Jedi. Have fun and stop hurting peoples feelings! _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Hey Mike, if that is the case then ya see the, "BIBLE STUDY" link on the Forums? .....yeah, DONT CLICK IT. Problem solved. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Well, I don't appreciate something that doesn't interest me shoved down my throat. So, if you piss on my picnic, i'll take a dump on yours. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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That is very interesting Kenyon. Cool to see different opinions on that subject. Thanks Man!!! Mike, come on man. We respect you dude, why do you have to come on here and poke fun at our study man. Thats not very cool dude. I love ya man, but that was a little out of line, dont you think? Show just a little class, bud. Menaxia, W00t, go Mike? Exactly what did we do to you to deserve that Menaxia? Koyi started this up for people to study the Bible together. There is no flame against others. Please respect our right to free expression. If the JAC's want us to take it elsewhere, we will. I think it is up to them what should be and should'nt be allowed here at the JA, but of course, your opinion is your right. But like Aron said, if you dont' like it, then don't read it, no one is forcing you to read this thread. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jul 08 2004 10:55pm. |
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Well, that's a bit hard when I have people PM'ing the links to me on IRC every day. So, aye. |
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Aron - Retired 
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No offense, but untill now this has not turned into a flame war at all. Don't like it? Don't read it. |
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