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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Hello everybody. Time for the great minds of the Jedi Academy to come together. Smily and myself were discussing time travel just for fun when I threw out an impossible event. That event is going back in time to change something. Let me explain. Let's just say that yesterday, my cat gets hit by a car and I've been crying non stop since this sad event happened. Suddenly, I get the idea in my head that I want to take my time machine back in time before my cat gets killed to save her. I hop in my time machine and *BLAMPH* I'm back in time. Now I see my cat in the road, I pick her up, and I bring her back into the house and close all exits so the cat can not get hit by the car. This is where Smily gets confused. Now that this problem solved, I never would have felt the remorse or came up with the idea of going back in time to solve this problem because I already did. When time reached the point of time where I would want to go back to save her, I wouldn't because my cat is fine. So how would my cat be saved by me if I never had a reason for going back to save her? It's impossible to do because the second I solved the problem in the past, I never would have reach the future point where I would want to go back because the problem in time never existed for me to want to go back. What do you guys think? Do you think it is possible to go back in time to solve a problem? Let's say you solve it. Now you never would have been stimulated in the future of that point because the problem was solved or never existed. Let us know what you think.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Aug 01 2004 06:11am. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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It really isn't possible - although everyone likes to think it is. We live in a world of sci-fi geeks... Oh wait, I'm one too. _______________ Website |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Sared - Retired 
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Quote: I think the whole butterfly effect thing would most likely be the case here. Gonna go rent that tonite, then I'll give my thoughts on it. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Like Leif said, according to that theory you wouldn't be able to change anything in the past. Either you do exactly the stuff that leads up to your travel, or you'd split off a new timeline where you save your cat. Your cat would still be dead in the one you travelled from, though.  |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I agree on the fact that if you change something in the past, you change the future BUt I like the Red Alert2 - Yuri's revenge, theory It says you make two timelines, the one that isn't altered, and the one that is altered and in the end, those two will merge the unaltered one will receive all the changed stuff from the altered future Thus, this will create one future again what do you think? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Squibit - Student 
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when going to the future you would vanish from time in the present and go to the future. Now it would depend on if you stay in the future or not. If you do then correct you would never see your "future" self. However if you go back to the past (present) after you have been in the future then once you go back you will continue your life and will eventualy reach the point in the future... If you do this, then when you went(go to?, hehe im confused) to the future you would/could have met (meet?) your "future self" being you that has traveled through normal time "growing up". So one of you would have experianced: Life upto point of time travel. Travel to the future. Meet an older version of yourself. The other one of you would have experianced: Life upto point of time travel. Travel to the future. Meet an older version of yourself. Travel back to point of time travel. Live life to point in future that you traveled to. Meet a much younger version of you that you knew would appear there. Eventualy the first person mentioned above will experiance the same as the second person, and another you will be met in the future... A continuouce loop Remember this is only true if you can go back again to where you were from. _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Jenko - Student 
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Leif's theory works opposite when travelling in the future. When you travel back into the past, where ever you stop there will be 2 of you, providing you stop after you were born. BUT if you travel into the future, you are leaving the present day, therefore you dissapear. So wouldnt that completely erase you from the future, therefore you wouldnt accuratly see the future because you wouldnt be there. All you would see is the world without you. So you couldnt change your future at all because you just wouldnt be there. Correct? _______________ Wyt ti'n siarad Cymraeg? rhyw ar y traeth! |
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Fire - Student 
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Then it might end up like that Jet Li movie The One  that would be so cool i have always thought of time as time realms. As in, if you were to go back in time, and save that cat, you would have saved the cat, but in that time realm, there will be two of you. In the other time realm that you left to save your cat, you would have disappeared from that realm. Now, the realm of which you left, would still have your dead cat, because the things that you did in the realm that you travelled to to save your cat cannot effect the future of a different time realm as it is a completely seperate place or space. But you can always bring your cat back to the future(tm) in your time machine I got this theory from the book Timeline when i read it a few years ago. Sorry for possibly confusing you lol, thanks |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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ok so......if you travel back in time, wouldnt there be 2 of you in that present time? The person you originally were and the person you now are in the future?  _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Jello` - Student 
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Off Topic: The Butterfly Effect = Great Movie _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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It's quite simple, really. See, by changing the past you also change the future, if by "travelling back in time" you mean "making time and space move backwards untill just before your sad event" then you will also erase your own memories of the cat being run over. So you won't be able to save her because, just like when she first got run over, you didn't know about it untill it was too late. But, if you mean "travelling back in time" as in "moving yourself through time and space to the point before your sad event" then you would be able to save her, you could take her back to the house and keep her safe. But you would also need to return to your own point in time, so at some point, you travel forward in time again. Now, the cat would have been saved, there is no question of that, although when your past self reaches the point where you travelled back in time in the first place, you would have no reason to go back in time. This is true, because you'd likely have the cat with you at the time. But this would not undo your first time travel because you'd still have the cat with you. My theory is that it may cause a slight rift in time and space, but one that repairs itself. For example, one night, your past self has a dream about going back in time and saving a cat, and from then on, that is your memory of going back in time - the dream. Just my thoughts. - Virtue.  _______________ Academy Architect |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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It reminds me a conversation I had with a friend of mine. It was about whether or not time travel was possible and if yes, would it be possible to travel to the past. My own point of view on this matter is that you cannot travel to the past without provoking a paradox. Or as Ken said, without being lead to do exactly what is needed to make you travel back. Thus you would be caught in a loop. But I'd rather think it's not possible. But I think travelling to the future is ok. Since you would just disappear at the date 1 to reappear at date 2 without changing the events around you except by the fact you're not around. _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan  - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Why, the future people are everywhere of course. You never noticed someone that looks exactly like your friend? Or someone who looks like a grown up version of your girlfriend? |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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ROFL now im really confused. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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I think the whole butterfly effect thing would most likely be the case here. _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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Squibit - Student
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Maybe If you see your cat die then that is what will happen. If you go back to change it. Something will always stop you. (similar to the self in red car idea) Eg. just as you are about to run infront of the car waving arms to get there attentio nand tell them to stop you notice a .... somthing (whatever unimaginative atm sorry) about to kill your cat. You turn around to go and stop the something and the car goes flying past and kills the cat. inevitable? If when you go back to save the cat you succeed (lets supose by stopping the car before it reaches the cat). Then it is a one time occurance and the timeline "changes" then you (the other you not the one that went back in time but the you in the proper timeline.) will see the cat safly walk across the road. This would leave a second you in existance and the possibility of meeting yourself could cause a whole load of problems (as in back to the future not sure of the exact quote "Make sure you do not run into your future self, the consequences could be catastrophic (spelling?), endangering the very fabric of space time itself!", of course when she really meets herself she just faints ). But anyone thats another matter.Oh and that brings me onto my final point. If it is possible to go back in time to change something (second of the two theories above). Where are all the future-people? (Possibility, jesus was a future-person performing "miricles" using future technologys that noone understood, saving people near death, healing blindness, hovering on water, making loads of food/wine etc. (star-trek style replicators). Dont bash me Koyi just a random thought ) _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Jenko - Student
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Hey Harry and Hermione do it (no not IT but timetravel) Harry Potter: Prisoner of Azkaban! _______________ Wyt ti'n siarad Cymraeg? rhyw ar y traeth! |
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Jenko - Student 
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well thing is not only would you have never felt the need to go back and change it coz nothing had actually happened. But when you go back in time, you wouldnt of had you time machine to go back to the present time. It depends on when you made it! Did you make it after ur cats death? _______________ Wyt ti'n siarad Cymraeg? rhyw ar y traeth! |
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Orion - Retired 
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Is this based on that timetravel is possible? Cause now they believe timetravel is near impossible. _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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StarWarsGirl - Ex-Student 
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I'm confused... _______________ Be strong & brave.Don't ever be afraid. Joshua 1:9 Fear is the path to the darkside. -Jedi Master Yoda |
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Mookie - Ex-Student
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Koyi: Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. |
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Mune - Student 
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Hey, what if this is all tied into that "fate" hickey doo? _______________ Captain Barkeep. This comment was edited by Mune on Aug 01 2004 08:08pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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That would be another way of looking at it Kenyon. Say that it was a car and I hop in a car, (the one that killed the cat to begin with) and make the mistake of killing my own cat. That too would be possible because I haven't changed anything. I witnessed or perhaps found my cat dead unknowingly that I did it and then race back in time trying to prevent the problem but end up becoming the problem. Thus myself in that time (not the one that goes back) would still feel hurt and try to stop it from happening. The constant that is time wouldn't be broken, all veriables would remain the same, and it could follow through. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Mookie - Ex-Student
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What if your cat was killed by a car driver? You go back in time, to see the car in question, let's say a red mercedes, drive across the road. You can't catch it on foot so you grab the nearest car, which, incidentally, looks exactly like the red mercedes you're following. While you go around the corner, your cat is there, and boom. Whoops. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
That movie is based on the book by H.G. Wells. But what if you were supposed to go back and change it? Ie, your cat dies, you go back in time and save it, and you go back... and that's what should've happened.... if that makes sense? Anyways, not even certain we'll ever get the knowledge to time travel.. or that it's even possible. This comment was edited by Jacen Aratan on Aug 01 2004 07:52pm. |
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