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AngelD'Kana - ex-Student  |
Okay recently Odan-Wei addressed the issue of idling on the servers especially when they are full. While i whole heartedly aggree with the rule, I think there should be a better method of identifying Idlers put into place. The reason I say this is because I've seen people who are not idle, get kicked for idling myself included. I donot know how the JAK+ identify idlers atm but i will explain my story and then my suggestion. I was on Wireplay when all of the sudden i got a phone call so i typed in the ingame chat "brb". I finished my phone call within 5-10 minutes. I forgot to type saying i was back (my mistake and i apologizefor that). I found i had been moved from my previous location to the spawn point, so i scrolled up in the console to identify why. While I was scrolling, a JAK+ was jumping on and around my model, at the same time he finished, i finished scrolliing and started to head towards the Matrix rooms. I arrived in the matrix rooms and patiently awaited my turn to duel. While i was waiting, an ampsay apeared saying The Server Is Now Full Idlers Will be Kicked... I didn't respond to it because i didnt think it was reffering to me seeing as I knew i wasn't Idle. However following that ampsay the message appeard i am being kicked for no reason given and a timer appeard, during the timer i typed a question mark and then was kicked. Nobody had bothered to ask me or try and get a response from me, had they done so i would have responded and they would have known I wasn't Idle. My suggestion is that a question targeted directly at the suspected idler as simple as "{Idler's Name}: Are you there?" and await a response. Then a warning be given just incase they were in a duel or something and didnt think the question to be of higher importance at the time such as "{Idler}: If you dont respond you will be kicked for idling". Perhaps that would reduce the chances of a silent player being mistaken for an idler. I don't know if this is already the procedure but all i can say is that if it is, I have yet to see it used when an idler has been kicked. My next concern is this: I have witnessed many people being kicked from the servers yet I cannot recall even ONE time where the msg was "so and so has been Kicked(Reason: None Given)." Kicking without giving a reason can cause major confusion especially to the person who is being kicked if they donot believe they have done anything wrong. Some people react by rejoining the server and typing angry lines in caps questioning the reason for being kicked. While this isnt the correct way one should react, there is no denying that being kicked without knowledge of why you are being kicked can be extremely frustrating and sadly there are thoes who donot know how to react any other way. This kind of reaction can create hostile environments and the kind of situations that are very frustraing and stressful to the JAK+. I don't see why the time cantbe taken to type a simple msg for the reason such as: "Kicked(reason: Idling)" or "Kicked(Reason: Lamming and Disrespect)" Things that also happen in instances of no messages given include friends of the kicked party who are currently on the server begin going crazy typing things like "WTF why was he kicked he wasnt doing anything wrong?!?" or the kicked party joining IRC and disputing that they were kicked for no reason. cHoSeN-oNe and Orion didn't code the ability to leave a kick reason in the mod just for fun, its meant to be used, and if you happen to be one of the few who does type in kick messages then i apologize for generalizing but I feel it is an issue that should be addressed. The purpose i had in mind while writing this thread was not to criticize or complain, it was merely to improve the way things are handled and to help avoid stressfull and confusing situations. Thank you for taking the time to read this. Angel D'Kana  _______________ SMILY RULES ALL AND SHE CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT Quote: Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live. - Mark Twain <Jedi_Prodigy> BOOOO angel! SEE SMILY? JP EVEN THINKS IM RIGHT I WIN 12:15:30(AM)] * DJ_Sith gives Jacen_Solo a golden shower }{ [01:33:00(AM)] * DJ_Sith give `orion a wonderful golden shower! }{ [01:35:41(AM)] * DJ_Sith gives doobie|broke a wonderful golden shower! |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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umm, no actually it would make it easier for us to keep track. any anyway, it only happens if the server is full. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Squibit - Student 
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Good idea to change name when going AFK but how is it relevent ? Will you not be kicked if you change your name? Or you Will be kicked ? If I were to be Squib:AFK then the JAK+ still don't know if I will be gone 5 mins or 2 hours right? _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once 
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Tido - Student 
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try this: Quote: set name_afk "name YouRawk|AFK; bind n vstr name_norm" set name_norm "name YouRawk; bind n vstr name_afk" bind n "vstr name_afk" That way just pushing 'n' will switch you back and forth from your normal name to your AFK one. This comment was edited by Tido on Aug 12 2004 09:52pm. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Ooh yeah, that's what I always do. It's only a bit of work and saves a lot of hassle! |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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May I suggest to everybody that you make an afk/back bind to change your name appropriately when necessary? _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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AngelD'Kana - Ex-Student 
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Kenyon and Tido as i said i wasnt compaining about my kick, nor am i angry, i was awaiting my last duel before i left anyway so i saw it as me leaving a little early. Im merely making a suggestion, and btw Kenyon the time u were on i lagged out i didnt go afk  the kick came later on in the day while you werent there _______________ SMILY RULES ALL AND SHE CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT Quote: Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone you may still exist, but you have ceased to live. - Mark Twain <Jedi_Prodigy> BOOOO angel! SEE SMILY? JP EVEN THINKS IM RIGHT I WIN 12:15:30(AM)] * DJ_Sith gives Jacen_Solo a golden shower }{ [01:33:00(AM)] * DJ_Sith give `orion a wonderful golden shower! }{ [01:35:41(AM)] * DJ_Sith gives doobie|broke a wonderful golden shower!
This comment was edited by AngelD'Kana on Aug 12 2004 09:34pm. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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I don't know who kicked you, Angel. I was on the server when you were afk but I figured you'd be back in a few minutes (even though I didn't see your 'brb') and kicking without checking is an exception, not the rule. I'm sure the person who did it feels sorry about it and is going to be more careful in the future. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Yeah, i totally agree with what you're saying Angel. I've seen it happen. But just to be sure about things, people who KNOW that they are going to be AFK for more then 5 minutes should quickly add "AFK" to the end of they're name, or simply just change it to "AFK." That way, there won't be anymore confusion if people are just on the phone or in the bathroom. My 2 cents _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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Tido - Student
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yeah a little courtesy would be cool, but I'm sure no one ment anything bad by it. Honestly unless you're causing trouble I wouldn't really get upset about being kicked - you can always rejoin...and if the server is full, well...it is just a game . But don't get me wrong, I completely agree with what you're saying. I think we should try to avoid that situation, but I would hate so see anyone getting upset over being AFK. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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to discover who is idle, and who isnt, we usually spec on all people, if one stays inactive, we kick. its easy as that. Also, on a busy server, a text message like "brb" or "im back" can get lost easy in the chatter of the hordes. so change ur nick, or sit down in a corner or whatever to make you recognicable as "afk"  _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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JavaGuy - Student
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Not my area of expertise, but my understanding is that the "no reason given" thing is a bug. Someone kicked for being idle should certainly get a message saying why. Most other reasons for kicking, though, should require no explanation. And yeah, asking "Are you there?" seems reasonable. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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