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Who trained Darth Maul?
Nov 25 2024 05:32pm

A'Sharad Hett
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If this has already been posted before elsewhere, sue me. :P

Seeing Maul in action was a treat. We all know Ray Park to be the real McCoy, yet how did he get there? I believe I have read somewhere that Sidious was supposed to have trained him, some might say "DuH!" and yet I have a hard time envisioning the Chancellor leaping and flipping about with mad saber moves.

Could it be that Dooku had something to do with that training? According to the Dark Horse EU material, the insidious Sidious and Dooku were already in cahoots 10 years before Ep II looking for the Prime Clone. Of course, 10 years before Ep II is Ep I, Darth Maul and also the Sifo-Dyas argument. Could Dooku be the panacea to those and this questions? Could Dooku be the trainer of Maul, given Dooku's already noted legendary skill with the lightsaber?

Questions/Comments/Flames welcome.
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This post was edited by A'Sharad Hett on Feb 25 2003 11:10am.

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Jun 05 2003 09:21am

Jake Kainite
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Maul was Sidious's apprentice, therefore he trained him, end of story. :)

Yoda trained Luke, remember all the flips and stuff he was doing on dagobah, you didn't see yoda doing that did you ? (don't say episode II, its a different time period) Therefore you don't have to be a l337 fighter to train a l337 fighter. Also, think of the mask of zorro (antonio banderas and anthony hopkins) antonio did all the work, whilst hopkins trained him :D Simple. Do not underestimate people just because they look old or frail...... Think of Mr Meogi in Karate kid :P
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Jun 05 2003 03:04am

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Mar 01 2003 05:03pm

Lord Jaws
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There is no lead that Doolu was already a student of Sidious, becouse the republic was not split up. I refer againt to the Star Wars databank:
http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/countdooku/eu.html
It is as Buzz Vader sais too hard to train 2 students. Also, the Jedi Order does not allow that a Master has more than 1 padawan. This is shown in ep 1, where Qui0Gon is willing to take anakin as his padawan, but the council does not agree, couse Obi-Wan is still his padawan.
And I agree that Sidious could had other padawans bevore the apearence of Maul. What I said is that if there are more that 2 Sith Lords, They would eventualy kill one another. It's in the nature of the dark side as you might know. Also, the danger of revealing themselves to the Jedi at that point is what I think too great. Palpatine could not take this risk. And were would he ever in the wolrd find the time to train two padawans, and be a man of the politic. As Sidious was a powerfull Sith Lord, and a wise one, I don't think that he would have 2 padawans. http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/palpatine/eu.html for more information about Palpatine.
an as you said: that this topic is meant only to stimulate thought and conversation. and I agree in that.

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Mar 01 2003 01:57pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

I'm going to take an Expanded Universe approach to it. I think Palpatine might have had other darkside adepts that he used and trained. They wouldn't have been Sith however. Training someone does seem to take an awful lot of time. So I doubt he could keep the two Sith Apprentices hidden from eachother and trained both of them. And having the two of them together, that would be a threat to him. Remember Vader offered Luke to join him and together they would defeat the Emperor. Having two Sith training together, well they could have decided they'd be better off without him. That's why the only two Sith code came into effect. The darkside corrupts and part of that corruption is to have personal power. Having only one apprentice stops that because then it becomes a waiting game "When I die you get my power." I'd bet that a few Sith Masters met their end by their own apprentices despite there being only two. The Sith aren't like Mara Jade, someone you could keep the other Hands from knowing that each one exists.
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Mar 01 2003 01:38pm

A'Sharad Hett
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 A'Sharad Hett

Apparently I am misunderstood.

The rule of "Two and only two Sith at once" made thousands of years ago is not in question.

What I hypothesized is that, perhaps, Sidious felt he had enough power to do away with that rule. Who is to say that Sidious did not have another Apprentice or Lord tucked away somewhere at the same time Maul was schooling Liam and Ewan?
Were I he, at least, I would carefully weigh tradition over my ability to effectively control the galaxy.

In short (funny the synopsis comes at the end of a piece) it is possible that Sidious could have had more than one Lord/Apprentice if he felt his ability to conquer might be in jeopardy.

**Note from the author**
Above all, please remember that this topic is meant only to stimulate thought and conversation.
Nothing more.
Nothing less.
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Mar 01 2003 09:20am

Lord Jaws
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The Jedi were not misled. It was as I said
Look at http://www.starwars.com/community/askjc/steve/askjc20000619.html

there you can fid the history of the Sith, and you will find that Darth Bane came up with this rule.
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Mar 01 2003 08:08am

A'Sharad Hett
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 A'Sharad Hett

It is true that the Jedi believed that there would only be -two- Sith at a time. I am forced to ask, however, were the Jedi mislead or mistaken? After all, in Episode I, the Jedi believed the Sith extinct. How much more concerning the Sith were the Jedi mislead about?


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Feb 28 2003 03:16pm

Plo Koon
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Feb 28 2003 05:18am

Lord Jaws
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I agree with Plo_Koon_Sai. AFter a specific moment in the war betrween Jedi and sith, the sith made a mistake and were elliminated. This was of the couse of that all the sith wanted power and fought each-other. from this point the remaining sith lord decided that there can and must only be 2 Sith. Like Mace Windu said. a Master and his apprentice. So it cannot be that Dooku trained Maul. and it must be Sidious who trainde Maul.
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Feb 27 2003 08:06pm

Plo Koon
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Palpatine trained Maul,Maul=Dies,Dooku falls to the dark side,palpatine=TRain dooku,Dooku=yodas old padawan.
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Feb 26 2003 07:29pm

Charon
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Well, not that it's to be taken as canon, according to Lucas. In the Star Wars RPG, Sidious carried a lightsaber of his own construction. The end of Mauls training, was a duel between himself and Sidious, one Maul nearly lost, and was berated as a failure for. The hatred this brought, along with his displeasure of himself, starvation, and the thought his master had betrayed him, made Darth Maul the killing machine we know from the time of the Naboo Blockade.
Partially again from the RPG, but also reflected in the films. The force can be used to compensate for, or even enhance natural abiliites.
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Feb 25 2003 10:01pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

Sorry I'm not that paranoid
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Feb 25 2003 09:57pm

Fonz
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It's all a conspiracy to ruin your posts buzz everything is a conspiracy...

but don't tell anyone, they may be in on it:eek:
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Feb 25 2003 09:31pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

No Fair Fonz I was going to post the link to starwars.com about darthmaul and you took the first part of the movie description of it.
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Feb 25 2003 09:13pm

Fonz
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 Fonz

No:P

I was just picking up on Vaughns comment and trying to explain it cos u said you didn't understand it...

...no your right i'm being dumbass - i think i'll shut up now:D
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Feb 25 2003 09:10pm

YubYub
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isnt that what i said?

Feb 25 2003 09:03pm

Fonz
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 Fonz

I think what Vaughn says is essentially correct in relation to his point he made about the force:

When Maul killed Qui-Gonn it enraged Obi-wan to such an extent that he attacked maul. This barrage was deflected by Maul who used Obi-Wan's touching of the dark side as a conduit for a Force attack; using the Force, Maul pushed Obi-Wan into a deep mining pit. Kenobi held onto an outcropping for dear life. Calming himself by calling upon the light side of the Force, Kenobi was able to surprise Maul, and cleave him in half with his saber. (taken direct from Starwars.com)

In relation to the other point that Vaughn makes i think there has been a slight misunderstanding:

Darth Maul was a weapon forged by the hateful energies of the dark side to ensure the victory of the Sith over the Jedi order. A creature of pure evil, Maul had no personality beyond his ultimate devotion to his master, Darth Sidious. His goal was singular -- to exact vengeance upon the Jedi for the decimation of the Sith ranks. This does not mean that Maul was a physical manifestation of the force but merely that he was a tool created by Sidious through his(Maul's) exposure to the dark side of the force.
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Feb 25 2003 08:52pm

YubYub
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No Vaughn. I dont get it at all.

Sidious took Maul as his apprentice when he (Maul) was just a baby. Maul does not remember his real paretns or his real name. Nor does he care.

Froman early age Maul was trained in harnessing his rage, fear, anger and agression to fuel himself in combat. Sideous trained Maul by, for example, dumping him on a jungle planet populated by visious animals for a week. if Maul had dies then he would not have been worthy and Sideous would have found someone else.

Maul was in prime physical condition because Sideous had basically broken his body and spirit and remade Maul into a pure, Jedi hunting killing machine.

BTW - Maul had a double bladed lightsaber because, in his own words, "haveing one end of a weapon which does nothing is inefficient". Or words to that effect.

Anything else?

Oh yes. Sidious would have preferred to have taken a new child to replace Maul but, since the presence of the Sith had been revealed, he did not have time. Therefore he set his sights on turning an already trained Jedi instead. Dooku.

Feb 25 2003 08:41pm

Vaughn
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 Vaughn

its darth

Well, it is sith tradition to change your name. You can never trust little kids with sticks (i thought he was like 9 or something (like anakin..)) Anyway, i read somewhere he was a physical manifestation of the dark side - basically pure evil, thats why obi could slice into him so well, because he was using the light side then, but maul could push obi to hell, because obi was using dark force.. get it? (i forgot where i read this)
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Feb 25 2003 08:07pm

Trad Redav
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vaughn, i'd be amazed if he was already 'competent' eith even sticks; maul was a baby when he was taken, he doesn't even know his real name (no, it's not 'maul' :-P)
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Feb 25 2003 07:54pm

Vaughn
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 Vaughn

Well, as someone said earlier (Fonz i think) you would never have known Yoda could yeild a saber like that. Remember, Palpatene was young when he first took Maul, so, he could have taught maul his crazy moves. Another thing, Maul could have been born with atletic abilities like that, or be a natrual. I thought Maul was already competant with a saber, or with something (sticks) before Palpatene took him.
It was also stated that he was just a result of pure hate towards the jedi, so if he is just a physical manisfestation of the force, then he would have been good with a saber to start off with.
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Feb 25 2003 07:33pm

Buzz
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Anakin is 9 in episode 1 19 or 20 in episode 2. And remember only 2 sith no more no less. Dooku would have had nothing to do with the training. To best explain this I think you would need to look at Luke. Obi wan really only taught him how to block blaster bolts with the force. And he wasn't really that good at doing it. No major training was show and really they didn't have much time and I doubt han would want them swinging sabers around in his ship anyways. you never really see yoda teaching luke any combat with the saber as well. When he fights vader though he is able to hold his own to a point. So they probably practice fighting on their own to a certain degree. Maybe palpatine brought in "training partners" for maul to spar with.

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Feb 25 2003 07:12pm

Fonz
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I think that the reference to Dooku here is the question as to whether Dooku could have trained Maul (correct me if i am wrong)

The point that is made is that according to the expanded universe material Sidious and Dooku were working together 10 years prior to AOTC.

However this is not the same time that Maul is about; Anakin seems to have aged a fair amount to me:P, in fact he is 20 years old in AOTC; there is a period of greater than 10 years between the two films. Thus Dooku would have been recruited by Sidious between the two films and therefore could not have trained Maul.

God - i am supposed to be able to write clear concise arguments...guess i'm not likely to pass this degree after all...oh well:D
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Feb 25 2003 06:52pm

Lian Del Rey
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DuH :P

Palpatine trained him, except for Vader was brought to the dark side from him (right? Other than his loss of his mother etc.)

And DOOKU was trained by YODA. :O

During their saber fight
YODA: "Fought well you have, my old padawan."
DOOKU: "This is just the beginning!"
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Feb 25 2003 06:42pm

Fonz
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I only have one thing to say to this...YODA:P

My main point is...until Attack of the clones you could never imagine Yoda running round with a saber and as we all know he kicks some royal ass.

Of course i am by no means an expert so i will shut up now before i dig myself a deeper hole than i probably already have:D
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