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Plo Koon - Student  |
Hi there, Please join me in speaking out against the Beijing 2008 Olympics. As long as the Chinese government occupies Tibet and oppresses its own people, it does not deserve the honor of hosting such a prestigious international event. Follow this link to sign up: http://actionnetwork.org/sft/join.html?r=g1qsd3M1DBIy _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
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Carve - Student 
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Oh. I didn't see the first one phrase you quoted. My bad! _______________ © |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: the deal is well the Truth and if you cant handle the truth go crawl into a hole and eat raw fish with gollum.I happen to care. Quote: were just spreading truth about the evilness of a Dictatorship I consider those two ('specially the last one, as it was posted right after my comment) directed at me, and my comments about politics in sports, not the war stuff. |
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Carve - Student
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Your "reluctance" to participate in Plo's suggested action has nothing to do with what I'm saying, at least. My sentiments, which as Plo said himself were a mirror image of his own, were with regards to the automatic belief that war is the answer. I had thought it was perfectly clear in the post I made earlier that whatever action you decided to take was obviously yours to take, but what was really upsetting was the reliance upon violence to "right" things. Now, if I remember correctly, you didn't actually say anything to that regard, so if you didn't, you're really getting offended for no reason. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Aug 31 2004 04:17pm. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: were just spreading truth about the evilness of a Dictatorship When was it ever questioned whether or not the Tibet affair was bad? I'm not on China's side here. I'm on the sport's side. Sorry if it makes me Gollum to care about the integrity and innocence of sport, I'll just go "eat raw fish", then. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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i hold nothing against you man,it is a something very special to see. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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monkai - Student |
erm... dude.. i sorta want the 2008 olympics cause im chinese and i could go with my family for once >_>...  |
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Plo Koon - Student
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were just spreading truth about the evilness of a Dictatorship _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
... because we won't use sports (a source of ENTERTAINMENT, not political manipulation) to achieve our goals, we're savages? :/ |
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Plo Koon - Student
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the deal is well the Truth and if you cant handle the truth go crawl into a hole and eat raw fish with gollum.I happen to care. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Carve - Student 
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Don't get me wrong; I'm neither encouraging nor discouraging the actions suggested by Plo Koon. Mainly I was disappointed with peoples' overall attitudes to the subject as opposed to the actions they chose to take or not take. Some people may feel that the Olympics are a perfect opportunity to make this boycott simply because of the mass publicity involved. Personally, though I do believe the human rights violations are unacceptable, I also don't think it's fair to punish everyone. I myself feel there are better times to make your message known. On the other hand, I do not oppose the actions of those who believe this is appropriate. A peaceful but vociferous demonstration harms nobody and gets the message across. _______________ © |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Politics are always involved, yes; but imo, using the sport to pressure a country, is just wrong, and pretty much blackmailing - no matter what that country did. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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predator you said my exact feelings. and it does sicken me too how people quickly say war is the only way. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Aug 30 2004 10:17pm. |
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Carve - Student
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The Olympics are most certainly not all about the money. There are government politics involved in nearly if not all of our day-to-day activities, Olympics included. That kept in mind, let's not forget that the Olympics are a representation of what is possible for the world. People representing countries from all around, competing, but showing friendship and admiration for their each other. The Olympics always have been a prestigious event. It blows me away to see that people don't think so. Why don't you try telling the athletes who competed in those games that it's not prestigious. Tell the people who use their Gold Medals to provide services and community development to their homes and bring publicity to human rights and social issues with the fame they've garnered. Just because our media doesn't pick it up doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Also, it's ... sickening, frankly, to see how quickly war comes into this conversation. Believe it or not, conflicts can be resolved without the necessity of mass violence. Attitudes like "such-and-such will not happen without a war" is the reason wars happen in the first place. Now I'm not a pacifist, but neither am I a war-monger. It's just plain depressing to witness the opinions I've seen displayed here so flippantly talking about war - MASS MURDER, for those of you unfamiliar what a war actually means. Sorry if that's blunt but that's the truth. _______________ © |
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Plo Koon - Student
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thats just sad. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Steinin - Student 
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Quote: it does not deserve the honor of hosting such a prestigious international event Since when is the olympics a prestigous event? It's all about money these days. BTW, while we're on the china topic Pregnant Inmate Forced To Undergo Abortion To Be Eligible for Death Penalty in China _______________ 362 Ohi on! This comment was edited by Steinin on Aug 30 2004 10:52am. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
If you think China is so bad, then I'm almost afraid to see what you thought of Iraq... It's sports. Making it a political tool is just making it even more embarassing to the roots than it already is. |
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Aron - Retired 
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* thunder strike * |
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Plo Koon - Student
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well the Olympic flag was carried over to bejing.its set in stone now sadly and you know what stuck out,the singers who where singing the chinese anthem where in outfits of the styles & colors of countries they conquered.they're not fooling me,i wonder how many others out there noticed that.I wonder how china's gonna handle all those millions of foreigners milling around lets see them "control" it HaHAHA!  _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Aug 30 2004 03:00am. |
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Nero - Student 
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Ofcourse it's true China has commited an horrible crime in Tibet, but even the Dalai Lama (which is like the king and pope of Tibet when it was an independant country) is okay with the Olympic games there. It's horrible and one day Tibet should be a free country again but why would you cancel the Olympic games for it.... edit: Talle is right. edit 2: prodigy is right too _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? This comment was edited by Nero on Aug 29 2004 10:55am. |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Tibet isnt gonna be freed without a war. This comment was edited by Tallepyon on Aug 29 2004 02:03am. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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no i havn't been to tibet or china but about 15 monks & a Lama came over from Tibet fleeing for there lives and came and stayed at the campus where my dad is a Philosophy professor (Down the block and across a street) they gave speeches,talks and had many lunches and dinners with us so i know about it.They where the most compassionate,kind and caring people i have ever met. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Nero - Student 
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Plo, a great thing to say these things, but if it would be 8 years earlier it would've actually made a difference...now it doesn't... _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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Plo, have you ever even been to China or Tibet?  |
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Plo Koon - Student
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no no no...NO WAR!I WOULD NEVER WANT WAR! do the exact opposite! cant you see? do it the peacefull way. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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