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Man, the cruelest of creatures... -Sared - May 13 07:26am |
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May your thoughts and prayers be with the Berg familly this week. Thier eldest son, Nick Berg, a civillian contractor, was captured by Iraqi terrorrists, detained for an unknown period of time, and then beheaded. The execution was publicised and videos are trickling through the news networks. This has only brought more pain and suffering, two things the world needs a bit less of if you ask me. I can only hope that the memory of Nick can be honored properly. |
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Chrome - Ex-Student |
The news is bad, but all news is mainly bad. This atrocity isn't what a good world wants. If the Iraq's want Iraq back then they should do it peacefully and negoitate not kill people who are just doing their job. This has made me thing about the question which has arisen alot recently War, what is it good for Abosultly nothing... _______________ I am Chrome, learning in the ways of the jedi. |
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Seth C. Belouve - Student 
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lol thats why we come here  , reality is overated anyway  _______________ Look unto me for I possess the blue flag!! It is more beautiful then I ever imagined! You will now worship me as if I were a god! *smack, dies* I regret nothing, I lived as few men dared dream!! Red Guy from Red Vs. Blue Series |
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Sared - Retired 
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Aye, we know that it shouldn't, but the sad reality is that we live in a day and age where it occurs. Once you realize that the other two-thirds of the world DO think and fear such things, well, it only slightly shaking, and if your not careful, you might OD on reality.  _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Rogue - Student 
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We live in a day and age where torture shouldnt even exist as something to think about. _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Torture should not be considered as an inevitable, and logical thing. Normal people would never torture. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Look at it this way. You see those terrorists kill your teammates every day. You really, really, really hate them. If someone told you, you could (or have to) torture them, I don't think you'll have much trouble with that. It's not a character flaw, it's war. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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There has been scientific proof that everyone is capable of torture, but I do doubt that. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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one of them said "i was given orders to do it,i was told to do it" well i wouldnt of done it even if they did tell me to. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Killer_Chicken - Ex-Student 
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It very tragic, what happened there. As for the prison abuse, the U.S. apologized and the soldiers involved are being tried. 99.9% of the soldiers are great people. Everyone hopes they all come home safe and sound. The soldiers in the prison abuse case make all the soldiers look bad. Terrorist shouldn’t blame all the soldiers for the misdeeds of a few. I don’t get why these terrorists don’t get the picture of peace. If Iraq militants and terrorist would quit trying to cause harm, Iraq would be governing themselves and the U.S would be out of there. People keep asking the U.S to get out of Iraq but how can they if there are Terrorists walking around with hand propelled grenades.  _______________ I'm so smart,smart S-M-R-T ---- Homer Simpson |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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If you have seen the full, uncensored video....and still have words to speak..... ...no, even I have no words..... _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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To the family and friends of Nick Berg: May the Force be with you... _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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Seth, Ulic- My thoughts exactly. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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Yes, the Middle East situation is terrible and something must be done. But i'm not convinced of the effectiveness of US policy on that matter. For example, how dare the US allow the building of a wall on palestine territory and back Israel at all times, even when they just eliminate people. The whole world has condemned these actions, but the US remains behind Israel, frustrating the peace process, since you can't lead negotiations when you back on side. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Seth C. Belouve - Student
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I'd like to make a comment on something Halendor mentioned a while back about the role of the good guy, personnally when I read that comment I could have given that man a medal...that is exactly what we as first world nations should be doing...to lower ourselves to the level of Iraqi soldiers makes us not just as bad as them...but worse because then we'd be hiporcrites as well. By the United States apologizing for the treatment of Iraqi soldiers just underlines why they are the good guys, yes its a shame that those US soldiers felt it was the right thing to do but that shouldn't tarnish the reason why their forces are there in the first place. I'm a Canadian and an army reservist, and when the US went to war with Iraq I thought to myself YES finally their going to finish it off in the Gulf and make it a better place. Our nations have to put our foot down and tell these idiots that they can't keep blowing up buildings and killing innocents. I'd just like to add, God Bless to all those American, British, and Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, and that I hope you all get home safe! May the force be with you!  _______________ Look unto me for I possess the blue flag!! It is more beautiful then I ever imagined! You will now worship me as if I were a god! *smack, dies* I regret nothing, I lived as few men dared dream!! Red Guy from Red Vs. Blue Series |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Oh, and I agree with Daidalus that everything posted on the news site should be remotely Academy related. If the staff post this, but not another death, it may seem they find that less tragic, or less important. Daidalus is right. If you want the Academy as an escape from reality, you can choose to not read the stuff in the General Forum. But it's hard to get around the news. Icco, it's hardly possible that someone missed this news. If they happened not to talk to other people, read the papers or watch the news, they probably wouldn't know there was a war going on anyway. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Buzz, it's because it's 'normal' terrorist do things like that. Our media spread the news, and have some background articles on it, but there isn't much repetition slash attention because everyone already knows the terrorists are bad. I think Joseph Stalin once said: "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." That is so true in this case. When there is a report about another five soldiers killed or wounded in action, it is likely it was as gruesome as this. I happened to see on the Oprah show (don't ask) soldiers with burnt faces - and I mean horrible wounds, shot off legs and arms, and they were all eager to get well and head for Iraq again. They were the numbers. Now this guy is dead, and it's suddenly a tragedy (nothing wrong with that, it just proves what Stalin said), and you think there should be more attention given to this. But everyone already agrees on the fact that the terrorists are bad, they don't need to support that with more facts. I hope you get the point. No need to prove the terrorists are bad anymore, so not (too) much attention to these single tragedies. |
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Daidalus[JAP] Fisto - Student ![Daidalus[JAP] Fisto](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=49&f_height=70&f_image=3482.jpg){kind=small}
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well sared and icco, i still dont agree. its not the event it self i speak about, nor do i want to downplay anything. The Jedi Academy is a virtual place for ppl who likes life NOT in the reality for a moment. They are here becouse they want to step down from RL-business. They are here becouse they dont want to think about the brutal reality. If they want to discuss RL-things, the global-board is exectly the right place to do it. The news section is made to get news about theAcademy. I dont agree with you icco, that everything we should know should have a place in the news section. Im sorry that you dont read other news than the ones from the academy, if you are interestet in RL-things, you can go to thousends of other information sides. And if you would go there, you would have known about what happend. as sared wrote, the news are full with it. i dont want to discuss that case further in that thread becouse its totaly off topic. so, please leave me a comment on my profile if you want to answer me. greetings, daid _______________ Founder of the Fisto Family -|- Member of the mighty FiZZsters!! -|- Owner of the second Bail prize for "BAIL RULES!!" -|- I'll never forget you Jaina! -|- Owner of the one and only autograph of Smily -|- SMILY RULES  -|- Owner of the 1000th Comment of the great Kueller -|- Big brother to NarCosT Fisto, and ShadowFax . -|- Proud Padawan of Kueller -|-Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote: fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I'm sorry, I thought you wrote that the prisoners in a way deserved the treatment they got. The execution and kidnappings do get a lot of attention, but i'm sure the government influences the news we receive a lot. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: Buzz and Darth Mobility, I strongly disagree with you saying that the inhumane treatment of Iraqi prisoners by Americans should be tolerated because the things the other side does could be considered worse. There is not, and there can not be any excuse for the way american soldiers humiliated Iraqi's, those who are responsible should be punished severely. Instead of "screwing" the Geneva convention, I suggest you think about why our countries signed it, and why we should all be proud we did. It is there for a reason, and just because the other side, the terrorists violate this important treaty of human rights, does not mean we could do the same. The US already made a big mistake by moving into Iraq without permission of the UN, the US policy in the Middle East is clumpsy, in my opinion the US can't afford anything that will increase the hate in the area for the Western World. People who do not respect the Geneva convention, and think they can do anything they like without permission of the UN, the world, a procedure that is the only way to a better future are for as medieval and barbaric as the terrorists. You misunderstood me Ulic. POW's should be treated in accordance to the Geneva conference. The treatment those prisoners received is not right and shouldn't be tolerated. Those who gave the orders or allowed it to happen should be punished for what they did. My problem is the political outcry of the events. People are using this prisoner scandal as politcal fodder and a way to justify their opinions on how things are in Iraq. I'm probably just as disgusted and disappointed about it as anyone else but I'm not jumping up and down with joy because I can use it to criticize the government like others. This public execution that was shown has not gotten the attention these photos have. They can't use it in their politics as easily so it doesn't get as much coverage. Just like the treatment the other people being held by the terrorists are receiving. It doesn't get the same amount of coverage, and we do know what's going on because they film it and some have escaped to say what's happened. That's what I don't like. You'll probably even see the FCC decide to fine all the news agencies for showing these photos because of how dirty they are. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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Buzz and Darth Mobility, I strongly disagree with you saying that the inhumane treatment of Iraqi prisoners by Americans should be tolerated because the things the other side does could be considered worse. There is not, and there can not be any excuse for the way american soldiers humiliated Iraqi's, those who are responsible should be punished severely. Instead of "screwing" the Geneva convention, I suggest you think about why our countries signed it, and why we should all be proud we did. It is there for a reason, and just because the other side, the terrorists violate this important treaty of human rights, does not mean we could do the same. The US already made a big mistake by moving into Iraq without permission of the UN, the US policy in the Middle East is clumpsy, in my opinion the US can't afford anything that will increase the hate in the area for the Western World. People who do not respect the Geneva convention, and think they can do anything they like without permission of the UN, the world, a procedure that is the only way to a better future are for as medieval and barbaric as the terrorists. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: They removed your dictator, they removed your oppression. Now we have a war against terrorism, and to my mind it is a justified war. How can't it be a justified war? Aren't we allowed to fight for a world without wars? There is good in this world, and if we don't fight for it, sooner or later, it will go away. What happened to mr. Berg was cruel, and heartless. Yet none of us lay the blame on the Iraquain people or the Islamic Belief. We blame it on the terrorists who did it, and in my mind, they deserve to die. I couldn't agree more. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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My thoughts and prayers go to the Berg Family, and to Nick Berg, who hopefully, wherever he is now, hasn't lost faith in humanity. |
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Sared - Retired
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Daid, this event has been hitting the fan politically in the same way and with the same kind of publicity that, say, Timothy McVae, or 9/11. It is not the fact that the man was executed, though I am in no way trying to downplay that. The implications of this, the reasons why, the motive and cause are why I posted it. There, go stick that in your pipe and smoke it for a while.  _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. This comment was edited by Sared on May 14 2004 05:33am. |
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Icco - Student 
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Quote: @sared: im sorry, but this post is not for the news section. it shouild go to the general forum, keep news served for JA-news. if you would make everytime a newspost when a human is killed by other humans, you coudnt find JA-news at all. greetings, daid I cant agree with that, the news is for anything that our news staff member thinks is interesting or important for us to know. I dont know if you relize but about half the academy doesn't read the forum so most would not know about this tragedy. on other terms, i am sorry to hear that someone died, i do hope that this conflict ends sooon so we dont have anymore deaths of innocent people. _______________ "this is Icco. Icco is old. Icco is lost. Icco is cool, but Icco doesn't know what the meaning of 'macrophageal sex'." - Vaughn /Icco |
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Fire - Student 
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Nick's now in a better place. My thoughts and prayers go to the Berg Family. Life will never be fair no matter what we try. |
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