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Man, the cruelest of creatures... -Sared - May 13 07:26am |
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May your thoughts and prayers be with the Berg familly this week. Thier eldest son, Nick Berg, a civillian contractor, was captured by Iraqi terrorrists, detained for an unknown period of time, and then beheaded. The execution was publicised and videos are trickling through the news networks. This has only brought more pain and suffering, two things the world needs a bit less of if you ask me. I can only hope that the memory of Nick can be honored properly. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Totally.... /me high fives Buzz. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Yeah with the pictures of the inhumane treatment of the Iraqi prisoners, we have about every person in the administration apologizing for it while others in Washington are high fiving and congratulating each other about one more reason to hate our government. I never heard of any other country apologizing for: The World Trade Center, the thousands of other terrorist attacks around the world, the treatment some of our captured/killed soldiers received at the hands of Iraqi soldiers (in case you forgot about some of those pictures from a year ago), and the death of this man. The prisoners you see being humiliated are remember the former soldiers in Saddam's army. Men that mistreated Iraqi citizens more than likely and committed who knows what else. And we're saying we're sorry for doing humiliating things while anyone they have captured is in a situation ten thousand times worse. I haven't watched the news but are the people who were so outraged about the naked pow's making the same uproar about this horrible thing? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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I just watched the video despite my good judgement. Makes me want to join the army. I will say, regarding our "Inhumane Treatment" of the POW's we have.......SCREW THEM. It is not like they are following the Geneva Convention. If the shoe was on the other foot, those POW's would be Cutting our heads off. All we did is publically humiliate them as a mechanism for interragation. IMHO, we should do whatever is necessary. Sorry, but if you watch the video of Nick Berg, the pictures of what we did is NOTHING in comparrison. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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PlooKoon - Student 
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to get peace there has to be some sacrifices , him being one, u cannot go into war and expect to have no casualties , but these ppl r if its not too harsh , they r 'ABOSLUTELY MAD' but most of them have been brainwashed, and r lead by other nutters, but R.I.P man , poor family  _______________ Moo |
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SaberWeildinKow - Student 
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Wow, I can't believe some of the arguments being presented here. I wish I could, but I won't enter an argument in a community. If you fail to see the brutality however, I have the link. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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Forgetting the politics and oppinions behind this. My thoughs go out to the poor family and friends of Mr.Berg and may this be a lesson on our "civilized culture" and maybee we can hope that something as barbaric as this NEVER happens again. Take care guys -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Lancer007 - Student 
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but Still there monsters for murdering the poor guy. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I'm sorry, but to that I cannot agree. I have just read the news in the papers, and felt sick, and ashamed of mankind, if mankind is the right word. Then I come here and see the news all over again, imagine... The USA isn't searching for reasons to hate you, nor do they hate YOU or YOUR PEOPLE, or YOUR BELIEFS. What happened there cannot be blamed on an entire country, nor on a religion. I know, only too often, there are people who generalize and blame it all on the Islam or on Irak or whatever, but that is not what America does. They removed your dictator, they removed your oppression. Now we have a war against terrorism, and to my mind it is a justified war. How can't it be a justified war? Aren't we allowed to fight for a world without wars? There is good in this world, and if we don't fight for it, sooner or later, it will go away. What happened to mr. Berg was cruel, and heartless. Yet none of us lay the blame on the Iraquain people or the Islamic Belief. We blame it on the terrorists who did it, and in my mind, they deserve to die. Quote: deserve to die? I daresay he does... Many that live deserve death, and many that have died deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then don't be too eager in dealing out death in judgement. I'm sorry, but this quote came to me when writing the last line. After this, I am a supporter of the war against terrorism, more than ever. Yes, innocent people die by wars, and they should be allowed to live on, but if terrorists use humans, living, breathing humans, with lives of their own, if they use them as shields, then those terrorists are nothing better than cruel, down-hearted murderers. And I totally agree with Javaguy here. Quote: The only thing mankind has to do to ensure a victory of evil, is for good men to do nothing If we would do nothing, the evil would spread. Slowly but surely, we would be overtaken by corruption, dictators, and pain and suffering. Do not think the USA hates you, nor are they trying to find reasons to hate you... I assure you, they are not. If anything, the Terrorists bring it upon their own, and upon their own country. Do not seek the blame with the USA, or any of the free lands, but seek the blame with the terrorists and everyone who supports the terrorists. I wish this never had happened, and I feel really sorry for his family, and for what happened. May he rest in Peace _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Who was Nick? When did this happen? |
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(_,ucius (V)alfoy - Ex-Student 
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IT's a shame that America finds new reasons to make the world hates us over and over.. _______________ That's no moon... |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I agree, the beginning of the war was a violation of countless of treaties signed to make the world a better place. But the war is over, at least officially. The US should not be an occupational force, all soldiers should wear the blue helmets, symbolizing that the UN, the world is with them, to help the Iraqi people. The things that happened in Iraq, both by terrorists and American soldiers are of a medieval and monstrous kind, I can only hope the world will change someday. But the world can only be changed by the world itself, and not only by the USA. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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I don't think you would get the soldiers to shoot women and children held by terrorists. Besides, your post could be interpreted that you are saying we should kill Iraqi women and children to save Americans (or at least members of the western society), since the terrorists are not attacking their own countries. Oh, and please don't give me that 'you don't like the war so you must love Saddam' argument. I don't like Saddam being in power, but I don't believe this is the way it should be dealt with. What should be done about it then? I don't know, but I don't have to have an alternative to know this war isn't the right thing to do. Furthermore, I don't think the Iraqi people would appreciate it if American soldiers would start shooting at civilians. You would give them just another reason for hating the western culture even encourage them to join the terrorist forces and possibly perform attacks on American targets. History shows guerillia forces almost always win versus the 'regular' army. The Americans have no business there anymore. They freed the country of Saddam, now hand over the government to the Iraqi people, let the UN bring over a peace-keeping army (if neccesary), and pull the American forces back. I honestly don't understand why they are staying there, because evidently they are not helping the country by staying. This comment was edited by Halendor on May 13 2004 03:39pm. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Halendor, you're saying that you'd leave someone like Saddam in power, who murdered an average of 7,000 civilians per month during his reign, in order to prevent the death of even one civilian who got in the way. Sorry, but I can't accept that calculus. We should certainly try to protect civilians, but every terrorist who gets away is going to kill more civilians. Our magnanimity comes with a price, and all too often someone else has to pay that price. The blood of those civilians is on the hands of the terrorists, not on ours. Certainly our troops need to be careful when the terrorists are using women and children as human shields, as they often do, but here too there's a price to be paid, and that price is paid by the next group of women and children used by terrorists who have been taught that this is an effective tactic to use against American troops. I don't know what the solution is, but I think it's time to skewer the sacred cow that says every civilian life must be protected at all costs. Even a human life is not worth "all costs." My own life is worth considerably less than my principles, for example. More to the point, saving one civilian life now is not worth the price of having a terrorist get away and take several civilian lives later. There are two problems with letting terrorists get away in order to save a civilian life. The first is that terrorists kill civilians directly. But the more significant danger, and the one that doesn't get much press, is that peoples' actions are guided by the incentives put in place. The more terrorists are rewarded for using human shields, the more they're going to do it, so clearly there's an unconsciounable price to pay for letting them get away with it. It's war, and hard decisions have to be made. Let us not confuse moral objections to civilian casualties with mere squeamishness about making hard decisions. When a terrorist uses a human shield, it's easy to feel like we've done the moral thing by holding our fire because we see only the one civilian in our sights--we don't see the other civilians that same terrorist will kill in the future, and we don't see the human shields that the terrorists friends will grab up in the future because they saw it worked for him. We most certainly need to have the utmost respect for civilian lives, but we need to see the big picture. Let us always remember that no decision we make is ever free; it can only seem free if we see the benefit now and ignore the real cost. There are certainly many situation where our soldiers should withdraw and fight another time in order to save civilian lives, but in most cases, if we have a chance to kill terrorists, even if it means risking civilian lives, we should do it because that is what will really save the most lives in the final analysis. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Menaxia - Student 
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Something i wanna post here- but I'm not stupid enough to - in all likely hood - start a fight _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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I think this is a horrifying thing to do, and I really feel sorry for the man and his family, but don't forget that this doesn't justify the abuse of the prisoners by American soldiers. I strongly disagree with Javaguy, shooting civilians who are 'in the way' is totally unacceptable, every human has the right to live and 'wrong place, wrong time', is not a reason to shoot someone. Not all Iraqi's are anti-American, just like not all Americans are pro-Bush. Don't be blinded by hatred. This comment was edited by Halendor on May 13 2004 01:25pm. |
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Majno - Padawan 
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My prayer goes out to all those who are casualties of war....Må deras själar vila I frid.(May their souls rest in peace.). _______________ " You've just taken your first steps into a larger world. " - Ben. This comment was edited by Majno on May 13 2004 02:46pm. |
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Duoi - Student 
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I have seen the tapes and i must say he died with great dignity. he was unafraid and cried when the blade cut, not because of the pain but because he was praying. If you have a chance to see it, be very careful it is disturbing but listen to when he is screaming you can hear a Jewish prayer. He died in the most honorable way. Praying For His Family. may he rest in peace walking by the lord in hand through the vally of death and on through the Golden gates _______________ ask JP. I was the one that owned him. (Warlocks all the way) |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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One note: The terrorists who did this are probably not Iraqis. Syria, Iran and other traditional sponsors of terrorism have been sending money (and people) to back the insurgents. The video appeared on an al-Queda linked web site, and al-Queda took credit (sane people would call it blame, but to them it's credit) for Berg's murder. The enemies of freedom are sending everything they've got to Iraq because they have much to fear from a stable, democratic Iraq in which human rights are respected. People in the neighboring countries will all want to move there. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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DJK - Student 
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Rest in Peace |
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SedNox - Student 
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may he rest in peace  _______________ -Evil Clown- "We interrupt this program to increase dramatic tension." Echuu's 1200th comment, D@RtH N00B's 10850th comment, Redeye's 100th and 150th comment. |
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Kueller - Student 
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My thoughts go to Berg and his family, may he still feel special feelings about this life in his next, and don't give up hope on humanity. _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills 
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Menaxia - Student
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I heared about this a couple of days ago. Made me feel physicaly sick. _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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D@mned ++ - Student 
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to cruel for words, WHAT ARE THE IRAQI (terrorists) thinking?? _______________ Bartender at Mune's bar. It’s not just a site, it’s a community. It’s not just a community, it’s the Academy. It’s not just the Academy, it’s a place in my heart. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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im glad the news didnt show anything because its too awfull.i would never want to see anything like that.may he be in a better place. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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JavaGuy - Student
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When our people abuse prisoners--note abuse, not torture, though still morally repugnant--we court martial them, ruin their lives and throw them in prison for decades. Just watch. When the extremists torture prisoners, it's because they are acting on orders from their high command, and they get rewarded for it. We go to outrageous lengths to protect civilians even when our troops are taking heavy fire, even when it might actually save more civilian lives in the long run to just let loose with everything we have, destroy our enemies and let the civilians in the way die. Our enemies fill mosques with armed troops, shoot at our soldiers from inside the mosques and then, when our soldiers shoot back, squeal about how we're "attacking" a mosque. Cry me a damn river. Our enemies use women and children as human shields because they know our soldiers will hold back to protect the innocent. While the Islamists hide behind women and children, our own soldiers place themselves in front of the women and children, very much in harm's way. We target military targets and go to great lengths to avoid killing civilians, even accidentally, though it inevitably happens sometimes. They deliberately target civilians. In my younger days I went on my own damn fool crusade to help people in the Third World, joining the Peace Corps and ending up in one of the harshest environments in the world. So I know a little bit about what was probably in Berg's mind and heart when he went over there. For those who haven't followed the story closely, Berg had a history of going to God-forsaken places where people desperately needed help. He had once gone to someplace in Africa (Ghana, I think) and returned with nothing but the clothes on his back, emaciated because he had given away all his food. A very different sort of person was Nick Berg from the evil sons of bitches who murdered him. I haven't seen any photos or, God help us, the video, and I don't care to. But if anybody doesn't understand that the war on terror is indeed a war against the very face of evil, maybe you should go watch it and see for yourself. They have it at ogrish.com. May God bless us and preserve us. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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