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"Maher"
Jedi Knight
Joined September 2005, Proud padawan of Laziana, Grandpa of Senatu Family
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Elessar - Student 
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You are old, Grandpa Maher
a poem by Lewis Carroll, edited by Elessar ‘You are old, Grandpa Maher,’ the young man said, ‘And your hair has become very white; And yet you incessantly stand on your head - Do you think, at your age, it is right?’ ‘In my youth,’ Grandpa Maher replied to his grandson, ‘I feared it might injure the brain; But, now that I’m perfectly sure I have none, Why, I do it again and again.’ ‘You are old,’ said the youth, ‘as I mentioned before, And have grown most uncommonly fat; Yet you turned a back-somersault in at the door - Pray, what is the reason of that?’ ‘In my youth,’ said the sage, as he shook his grey locks, ‘I kept all my limbs very supple By the use of this ointment - one shilling the box - Allow me to sell you a couple?’ ‘You are old,’ said the youth, ‘and your jaws are too weak For anything tougher than suet; Yet you finished the goose, with the bones and the beak - Pray how did you manage to do it?’ ‘In my youth,’ said his grandpa, ‘I took to the law, And argued each case with my wife; And the muscular strength, which it gave to my jaw, Has lasted the rest of my life.’ ‘You are old,’ said the youth, ‘one would hardly suppose That your eye was as steady as ever; Yet you balanced an eel on the end of your nose - What made you so awfully clever?’ ‘I have answered three questions, and that is enough,’ Said his grandpa; ‘don’t give yourself airs! Do you think I can listen all day to such stuff? Be off, or I’ll kick you down stairs!’ _______________ The Senatu philosophy: every JKA player is essentially a baboon who likes to hit stuff . -Senatu brother to Buster and Dracolich. -Proud owner of Draco's 50th, 99th, Degor's 500th and Maher's 3519th comment! -Proud owner of the last word in the everlasting conversations with Maher. This comment was edited by DJ Sith on Mar 26 2010 05:04pm. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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Maher, you're avoiding the point. This is merely about greed and I blatantly said the person was completely free of greed. Whether or not he was in a capitalist society is not of consequence because I have stated an absolute. Greed which affects the person does not come into this equation, it is HIS greed which we are looking at.
If you want to be this critical then I will make a blunt less colorful story for you. There is a man who lives in a COMMUNIST society and he is FREE OF GREED. Somebody tells him to be greedy or they will magically cause him to suffer for years in great agony. I know this story isn't realistic, but you leave me little choice. I won't reply to your criticism of capitalism because you said you wanted to switch this over to greed. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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Maher, is there any avoiding suffering? Even if you live your life in only the purest of virtues, there will still be suffering.
Let me give you this example: Say there is a man who devoted his life to helping others. Every penny he made which did not go to meeting his basic needs would go to charity. Let's also just assume there is absolutely no greed involved here, however unlikely this may be. Let's assume the government in the country he lives in requires a person to only pay for the cost of production of an item, no profit made whatsoever. One day he retires and he is diagnosed with cancer. It costs him a very trivial amount of money to treat his illness, but he does not have it because he spent his money on charity. For the next decade, he suffers is dire agony. He has others who loves him so he does not take his own life out of concern that his suicide would cause suffering for others. He eventually dies, while screaming is pain. Nobody was able to help him throughout this period of time. Because he was not greedy and did not save money beyond his needs, he was sentenced to a long and painful death. Do you believe greed, even a trivial amount, would have helped him in this case to live a better life? Oh, no thank you. I don't really wish to go on IRC. I read responses, think about them for a few minutes and type. I only use IM services for casual communication. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." This comment was edited by Augusta_Mintaka on Nov 26 2009 08:26am. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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It's peculiar you would know of Kant, but not Mill. The two are compared complete opposites, often compared. How do you know Kant? _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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Quote: well yes, but who the heck is Mills ?
Somebody who doesn't know Mills ? I don't know if you're poking fun of me for making a simple typo or you truly do not know who Mill is. The former is rather critical of you, don't you think? I mean if I speak of Kant and I say "Mills'", then I'm sure you know I meant "Mill's". Wouldn't you find it annoying to have every typo you make to be pointed out? If you didn't know who Mill was, then you should read Utilitarianism. Although I prefer Kant over Mill, I respect his theory on morality. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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Well, actually I have read a good few pieces on conflict theorists. Still, you see, I believe in functionalism and I never really took the teachings of people like Marx to heart. I disagreed with their perspectives constantly and I never studied the dynamics of communism in earnest. After all...I only had taken two classes on sociology and two in economics. The entire subject doesn't peak my interest, but I enjoy a good debate.
I know you didn't mean to offend me, but the way you put it is very inappropriate. If we were to point out our lack of information on the subject, then this would turn out to be quite a bitter exchange, don't you agree? Moving on... You can argue greed destroyed much, but I would say it created much more. Every scientific advance made by curiosity? Then explain to me why we patent our ideas? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to let everybody experiment with it? Of course, but greed stops us from doing so and greed started a great many of these advances in the first place. Assembly line...greed Machinery...greed The internet...greed "Charles Darwin - Theory Of Evolution Albert Einstein - Theory of Relativity Stephen Hawkings - Theory of Black Holes" Do these people take credit for their accomplishments? Yes, why? They want the recognition, that is greed. Even charity is often greedy because we expect something in return, no matter how subtle it is. Some give to charity to feel as though they are "good" which assumes you are better than the "bad" and you will receive more rewards in the long run. We can easily pull out the under determination of theory and argue on this for ages, but denying that greed takes a part in all of this seems a little blind. No offense of course, but it is very blatant. Do you believe homosexuality to be scientific? Do you know research is pointing to it actually being biological pertaining to the brain? Greed is so universal that it would be hard for us to "prove" it to be biological 'for we would need people who do not carry the trait. Since everybody does carry the trait and even animals show greed, it is very acceptable to say it is a biological trait. You know what bothers me? That truly you think greed as evil. That is the kind of thinking that starts wars, causes society to step backwards due to crippling politics and creates judgmental abominations. None of which I am pertaining to you personally, but I am merely stating what it leads to. I call it an evil because that is what people define it as and there is not a better thing I can call it. Believing it is an evil is something else. Greed should be harnessed, not suppressed. It is a powerful trait which will eventually show itself in anybody, no matter how resistant that person is. In my eyes, the best thing to do is make as much good out of it as possible. Onto communism... I don't have much to add to what you just said. It was mostly about greed. If you wish to switch the debate to just greed, then I'm happy to oblige. Not both though, far too much typing. If we were to become a communist society, then I believe the world will be much worse off than it is today. There will be no starvation which places checks on the population because of that saying "to everybody his needs" or something like that. We will multiply quickly, exhaust resources far faster and I believe the lack of incentive will slow down our scientific development. I know it's horrible to say that about starvation, but one must play devil's advocate, no? I predict you will say there is incentive in things like pride and good will, illusions like that. In an ideal world that will be enough, but this is not an ideal world is it? Neither you or Masta has answered this for me yet: "Why hasn't communism worked for an extended period of time in any significant civilization?" perhaps we are not ready for communism, but when will we? _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." This comment was edited by Augusta_Mintaka on Nov 26 2009 05:42am. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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I would advise not to assume what I have or haven't read, or you will turn a debate into an argument. We are not comparing knowledge, only ideas. If you wish to compare knowledge, I'm afraid I have to ask you to cease your participation in the debate I am carrying with Masta. Just to clarify, I say "blowhearts" in satirical fashion like I always do when I speak about the UN. I believe you are aware of that.
Anyways... I push the idea of total equality so much because that is the only way communism can work in present day society. Hate it or love it, our worth is decided by our capabilities AND income. Without the latter, people will feel the former to be under appreciated. Which is why many countries face the crises of skilled labor moving to countries with a more liquid economy. Doctors are paid much more in the United States than they are in say Germany. If you even have one bit of social inequality, people will strive to have more than their neighbor. This is greed and jealousy, both will be traits for quite some time without artificial intervention. That is a debate for another time, though. Do you not see that having commons will deprive humanity of their strongest traits? I know I'm like a broken record saying this, but we NEED greed. It is what caused so many scientific, philosophical, medical and astronomical advances in society. Sure there are exceptions, some people do it purely for humanitarian reasons, but come on... the majority wish to fatten their wallets or have their clocks washed. Capitalism exploits this trait and this is why it is so successful. Do you believe the world would be better as a social economy? What will happen to the world resources? They will surely deplete much faster because hardly anybody will care. I'm sure you will say "in a communist society we will regulate our resource gathering...yada yada yada". Do you actually believe that? The same people who created nuclear stockpiles and contemplate anti-matter weaponry will care about resources more than they do now without incentive? Whether or not you agree, it is plain as day that private ownership provides us with incentive to preserve our resources. I'll admit, we could do a better job at that, but this is also another debate. I daresay that without the incentive of profit, communism will prove do be quite detrimental to the world. Like I keep saying, don't avoid the traits that humans instinctively have, USE them. Moving on, these communities you mention. I'm not sure what it has to do with today. We are becoming globalized at an accelerated rate, there will eventually be one community, mankind. We cannot run the world on a system of bartering like we would in a village. Finally, greed IS an instinct. Animals do have it... have you ever seen an animal overeat just so he didn't have to share with others? I see it all the time on the nature channel, it is quite common. The only difference between them and us is that we realize our greed, animals just act on it. We can control it to a certain extent, but we will never be rid of it. Will humans lose greed? Maybe, not likely, but maybe. It is a word because we needed a way to label it. Murder is also a word, but it represents something. The same goes for greed. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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(Pssst Maher, tell her that communism is by definition stateless and doesn't even involve governments!) _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Nov 25 2009 09:06pm. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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Dear UN blowhearts,
Communism cannot succeed, period. It views government as a perfect entity with everybody giving what they can and getting what they need. Perfection does not exist 'nor will it exist, if it were to exist then humanity is forfeit. Even small communities cannot practice real communism, but similar utopias where people aren't truly equal. Elders are seen as the wisest, the youth are seen as the work able and the women are seen as the care givers. This, although unavoidable, is still inequality. Thusly communism cannot exist. Also, I'll add that the characteristics of humanity can evolve, but instincts are permanent as long as we still have a mind. Greed is a survival instinct, so are many of the other evils in the world. Also, hyper inflation has never completely ruined an economy, just slowed it down. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." This comment was edited by Augusta_Mintaka on Nov 25 2009 06:54pm. |
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Cloud Senatu - Student 
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Hello.
I'm here to inform you of the sign up for Senatu. Click Me. We are wanting to get as many active Senatus back. So if you're active, please feel free to sign up 
~Cloud Senatu |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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you know i was reading everything and for the patience you have shown the guy below, you get my 4500 comment ! I commend thee sir! _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are 
Best Movie Character EVER!! |
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Jockster - Student 
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Sorry it wasn't clear. Here's what i mean.
You know the maps u posted? They are auto downloads. That means they just download right away instead of going to the website. Could you post a skin like that?? _______________ http://www.habamon.com/monster/Jokey Copy and paste that in browser to help it grow xD |
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Jockster - Student 
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No......I can........I would like some *SKINS* though.....If you could get a Darth Maul skin for me, and post it like those.....I cant go to JK3files that is the problem....All i want is Skins *rolls eyes* _______________ http://www.habamon.com/monster/Jokey Copy and paste that in browser to help it grow xD |
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Jockster - Student
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Kk who posts the downloads for maps that are with the Server information? _______________ http://www.habamon.com/monster/Jokey Copy and paste that in browser to help it grow xD |
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Jockster - Student
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What i meant was. :'(
One of these... http://www.thejediacademy.net/servers_detail.php?f_id=41 Go to the Mod/Extras and click it. Its an automatic download... :'( _______________ http://www.habamon.com/monster/Jokey Copy and paste that in browser to help it grow xD |
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Jockster - Student
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Could you post a Download for xfire on my profile? I need to download it again but i cant go on the site. If you could then once its set up i can talk to you _______________ http://www.habamon.com/monster/Jokey Copy and paste that in browser to help it grow xD |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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That's right, do your job UN villain, sit back and smile while the real superpowers battle it out. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Defender - Student 
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Hi hoi. I've got my health and powa and I like to be part of Senatu. =) (read forum, plz)
Nähtään. ^^ |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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What is this? Mockery from the cowardly UN? Hah! You would be wise to cower before my financial presance. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Cloud Senatu - Student
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Hello.
I am here to respectfully direct your attention to the Senatu Site. We are undergoing a possible change, and would like to get your input on the matter. If I could please direct your attention to this topic: Click Me Please give us any information you might have, any advice, thoughts, etc... Will be happy to hear from you. ~Cloud Senatu |
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Cloud Senatu - Student 
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You're molesting those poor poor bunnies!!
Yeah, the Christmas song! |
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Cloud Senatu - Student
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Oh yeah, quit raping the purple bunnies!! |
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Cloud Senatu - Student
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Hehe, I'm tired...
It's like... 4:09 AM right now... I'm listening to something you would know about!!! Click Meh! |
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Cloud Senatu - Student
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*Jump attacks Maher* |
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Electronic - Student |
Terve,
Olisin kiinnostunu tosta Senatu perheestä. Hyväksythän minut xfireen taikka msn niin voidaan keskustella lisää. 
 Electronic This comment was edited by Electronic on Oct 22 2009 10:13pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Boo!
*Runs away* _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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