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Squibit - Student  |
Let me begin with a story (facts may vary it doesn’t matter its the principles that count)... I was on the servers today when a member (person A) challenged a new member (person B) to a duel... They began to fight and then person B retreated some way, lowered their sabre and asked if the duel could be held up while they dealt with a real life issue (answer the phone or something like that).. they went afk with their chat box up. their opponent lowered (or the point would possibly work better if they didn't) their sabre and stood near by. Some time later, having finished the phone call Person B returns to their computer, sees their opponent stood by (with or without their sabre drawn) and without a chat box up, and attacks, and kills person A. (hope you all followed that) Person A is upset because they obviously weren't ready for the attack. But the new member (person B) has broken no rules arguing that if person A wasn't ready they should have had their chat box up and that they were engaged in a duel so person A had agreed to take part in the aggressive action. Now you all know as I do that if someone doesn’t have their sabre drawn then that generally signifies that they are not ready to fight. But if the new member didn’t realise this then they can’t even be said to be showing disrespect. You may say that it’s pretty obvious that if your opponent doesn’t have a weapon drawn they clearly aren’t ready to fight (a point I would argue with you on). But that’s not the point. The point is we have a lot of “rules” or , a code of conduct here that isn’t written anywhere. It could possibly be written but could never include everything. And it’s things that new members (especially those coming from the public servers) even having read the rules may not know… things like: The winner of a duel in a matrix room usually takes part in the next duel. Randomly using non-harming force powers (such as drain or push) should not be done without people agreeing. If someone’s sabre is knocked to the ground in the middle of a NF duel you should wait for them to retrieve it. If your sabre is knocked down you shouldn’t try to position yourself so it hits your opponent when you pick it up. You should say “good fight” (or the equivalent) after every duel You may say that all of these are clearly bad form / disrespectful and shouldn’t be done, but consider the following: Your attack knocks your opponents sabre out of the way, it is OK to go in for some hits while their defence is down You jump up high and land behind your opponent, it is OK to hit them in the back. Generally (although sometimes annoying) its OK to jump on peoples heads. It is OK to use your DL-44 pistol to mark out paths for training, although technically against the rules. All of these things could be seen as disrespectful or “dirty fighting”. How is a new member to know all of these things? They will of course learn it all in time, but they could lose a large number of friends during this time. The student introduction program will pair up many new members with more experienced members who can teach them all these things. But not all new members take up that offer. Its currently just gone 1am, and I probably started babbling a few times there  And also because of how late it is I have forgot any ideas for a solutions that I may have come up with, so ill leave that up to you guys for now Good night, Hope it mostly made sense  --Squibit of Belouve EDIT: Pinch punch first of the month ! _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once This post was edited by Squibit on Nov 01 2004 01:18am. |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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I should get my machine going and come knock some manners into you nubs.  _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Squibit - Student 
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If things are going well you rarly hear about it (NEWSFLASH: there is nothing wrong with the weather in the village of ....). If things are bad then you hear about it all the time (Hurracane here, earthquake there). I think the fact that there must be lamers and rule breakers on the servers and the fact that i hardly ever hear of anyone breaking thr rules Basicly just shows how much of a damn good job our admins are doing. _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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Jerry sucks AWATAN! AWATAN! _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy  - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
JERRY! JERRY! |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student
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There are always people to break the rules, Fur. Always. Like there are people in RL who break the law. What exactly would you like to know ? Who did what and when he did it ? When a rule-breaking is reported, we take the necessary steps to handle the rule-breaker. For sure it is not something we advertise. Not because we want people to think that the JA is like a circle of fairies... (not with JJ around anyway ) but because we don't see the point. If you wanna know the reason/cause of a ban for example, you can always ask the JAK+. So, yes there is stuff happening, very often, but the admin team is here to take care of this, isn't it? And do not worry, I'm not angry or anything, I'm just trying to answer the unspoken question I believe I see in this thread. Would people actually like to see 'public executions' (understand: showing loudly how lamers and such are handled) in the JA ? I hope not, we're no real-TV show... _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
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It's hillarious to see how little tolerance people have of differing opinions. Mind you, i'm no better |
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Furi0us - Student 
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Odan, I'm saying that when rules are broken, not much is told of it. I hate it when people think of the Academy as a perfect little community where nothing goes wrong, where we all dance together in harmonious joy and sing lullabies to each other, because we are most certainly not. Rules have been broken quite a bit in the last year, and as a staff member you should know that. Point being, people need to open their eyes a little bit. Odan you rock man, remember I LUB JOO my brother! So don't take this the wrong way or an attack of some sort, i'm just putting my view across. And Squib, when you post something like this, you're bound to have a bunch of other topics appearing. _______________ You are not your f***ing system specs. You are not your uptime stats, your script file, or your oversized desktop screencap. You are not your broadband connection. You are not your f***ing post count. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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I guess we did, kinda. You know how people talk and it comes into other subjects until it gets really off-topic... Anyway, sometimes you can learn from your mistakes. Although it isn't a good thing to happen, mistakes do come around, and is something that can usually be solved quite easily, depending on what that is. It also depends on how active the new member is. If they appear on the server instantly, they probably won't know so much about the place and are almost certain to make a mistake. Now, if this guy was a new member, it's best to talk to them for a bit, explain why it isn't a good thing to do, and that they may want to re-read the rules, just to be sure. |
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Squibit - Student 
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OK I think soem of you may have missed the point I was trying to make with this post. I wasn't suggesting we all post here saying how other people should behave and show respect. We have had enough of those already (and very good posts too migh i add )What I was acctualy trying to focus on and maybe should have highlighted more was the fact that "Person A" was a NEW member. What I was trying to point out is that some members (particularly those who are used to playing on public servers) may not understand the things that I believe sets the JA servers apart. We have the official rules, sure. But almost all of the public servers have rules aswell. Its the unwritten rules (or not even rules, but generaly expected or common way of acting) about how we all show each other respect and generaly try to make the Servers a nice place to hang out. I was hoping not for replys (though of course feel free to give any reply or input that you like) that try to put into writting what those "rules" may be because as I said putting them into writting would be silly and probably near impossible. But for replys that would suggest ways in which we could convey these ideas and customs to new members as soon as possible. The is the SIP, and Everyone greets the new members on the servers and explains if they do somthing "wrong" or that is concidered by many to be disrespectful. But I was worried that some people may find parts of it difficult to understand or not learn these things "until its too late" or until after they have offended someone or given a bad impression. They can always appologise later, but an appology is much harder and never as good as not making the mistake in the first place _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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I can't bare public servers. |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student
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Alright, let me get this straight: I am not even close to be finished here, Menaxia. I also dislike the tone of your comment. If the matter doesn't seem important to you, it is for me.  And once and for all, the matter discussed in this thread is not going to be integrated in the official rules. And just for your information, being rude without blatantly breaking the JA rules is *ok* Repeating it too often is harassment, and this is a breach in the JA rules. Think about it. _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
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Menaxia - Student 
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Is everyone quite finished getting worked up over a couple of individuals not using their basic 'table manners'? We've had a lot of opinions expressed, and that's fine. What is not fine is when ppl get worked up over a thread like this which reults in the main point getting lost. Somebody was rude. O dear. What a shame. Now lets move on and play the bloomin' game. _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Lmao Odan, rock on mate, ignore me _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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Quote: There's definitely alot of those things happening, Solitude. You just have to be there when it happens to know, because usually it's kept hush-hush. /me runs What are you exactly trying to say Fur ? That the JA servers are no better than public servers ? Quote: Heh heh to be perfectly honest, all threads like this really get on my boobs! People post about what they do, what they think others should do etc. I didn't see anyone trying to tell others what to do. I saw a lot of people explaining how they feel about the subject. And you're part of it. So, my question to you is simple: why do you even bother to post in this thread if it 'gets on your boobs' ?  Quote: Can anybody whose read this thread honestly say that its changed the way they play and they've seen everything in a new light and will go out and abide by all the unwritten rules of ettiquette ? No I didn't think so, so lets have posts of a more useful nature instead of complaining about stuff we don't like yet can't change. How productive is your own post mate ? Maybe you won't change your way of doing things after reading this thread, but some people might. Why? Because they realize it may be an important thing to do if they want to fully enjoy this community. I don't think you enjoy it a lot. You've been here for a while and Even when I joined the JA more than a year ago, I never saw you much around. And JK2 was still played. So are you coming back to spread this kind of 'advice' : "do what you want and don't care about others." ??? Quote: (not to sound arrogant though, if everyone wants to voice their views and opinions then obviously thats fine, its just kind of a waste of time since you're talking to yourself ) So, assuming what you're stating here is true, then you're also speaking to yourself. I let you think about what that implies and about the value of such comments. So, back to the topic, etiquette is not a rule in the official JA rules. Etiquette is here to smoothen interactions between people. If a duel is crappy and you don't think you or your opponent did well, then saying 'Good Fight' sounds like an encouragement. Same for bowing, greeting newcomers on the server, etc. If you don't want to do it that's fine, there's no rule against it. I bet there is no law in your respective countries that regulates the very fact you may or not say hi to your neighbors. However, being polite and respectful may make your neighborhood a better place to live. I tend to consider all JA people as bros and sis, a big family of people who share a common interest. So I treat people as I expect to be treated. For me, disrespect may appear under several forms: insulting, being cocky after a duel, not greeting/saluting, not bowing before a duel, etc. Only insults are rule-breakers in this small list. The rest is my personal appreciation. So, to summarize, do as you wish, but some attitudes are appreciated because they're token of respect. _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here This comment was edited by Odan-Wei Belouve on Nov 03 2004 11:04am. |
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Furi0us - Student
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There's definitely alot of those things happening, Solitude. You just have to be there when it happens to know, because usually it's kept hush-hush. /me runs _______________ You are not your f***ing system specs. You are not your uptime stats, your script file, or your oversized desktop screencap. You are not your broadband connection. You are not your f***ing post count. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I've had people on public servers say that nonsense at me right before they launched into obscenity-ridden tirades. The phrase means absolutely nothing to me anymore. Forgive me if im wrong, but isnt part of the attraction of the JA being that it is different from public servers, with respect, no spamming, no laming and definitely no obscenity-ridden tirades. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Jake Kainite - Student
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Heh heh to be perfectly honest, all threads like this really get on my boobs! People post about what they do, what they think others should do etc. Can anybody whose read this thread honestly say that its changed the way they play and they've seen everything in a new light and will go out and abide by all the unwritten rules of ettiquette ? No I didn't think so, so lets have posts of a more useful nature instead of complaining about stuff we don't like yet can't change.(not to sound arrogant though, if everyone wants to voice their views and opions then obviously thats fine, its just kind of a waste of time since you're talking to yourself ) _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Throgun Donut - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Here's my view on it: You say it's just "common sense". Common sense by who? Are you going to have a cry if I don't bow or say "Good Fight"? If I finish a duel (Win or lose), and I don't think it was a good one, I won't say that it was. Period. I certainly won't lose any sleep over it. Amen. Furthermore, I think people who try to tell someone to say "good fight" come off as real egomaniacs. That's like saying "you fought me, you think it's a good fight because I say you do". I reserve actually calling a fight "good" for those duels that really stand out. If people actually had eyes, they'd see that every time I win, I bow to the person after they die, before getting rid of the corpse. That's my alternative to saying "good fight". I'd rather do something unique and interesting than belt out a bind of some tiny little phrase that's been cliched into meaninglessness. Personally, I don't even look at the chatter while I'm dueling, it's a thing I picked up from public servers, where people are prone to spamming mercilessly. I do however think the "bow" is a necessary part, just to signify that both people are ready to begin. My own personal etiquette is the crouch bow for just any old duel, and the bow emote to show "respect". Usually I only use the bow emote if someone else does. I figure, "hey, if someone shows me that sort of respect, then I'll show it back". But "good fight"? "gf"? Never gonna happen. I've had people on public servers say that nonsense at me right before they launched into obscenity-ridden tirades. The phrase means absolutely nothing to me anymore. _______________ "Wars do not make one great" |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: LOL are you kidding me? I type "fg!" all the time And do you know haw FG could be misinterpreted? _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Squibit - Student
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Quote: /me wonders how "gf" is misspelled LOL are you kidding me? I type "fg!" all the time _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: /me wonders how "gf" is misspelled The way I see it, even typing "gf" is more personal than a bind, because it shows you took the time to go type something out for *that particular fight*, instead of a key that you can just spam (even if you do mean it). Exactly. Just hard to go on a server and duel typing "Good fight" after every one. The main point is that typing "Good fight" is much more respectful, yet can get annoying. This comment was edited by Setementor on Nov 02 2004 08:09pm. |
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delta - Student 
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Quote: I might not agree with that. I personally use bind, partially because i like haveng color nut also because im an incrediably bad typist and speller. I feel it shows more respect to your opponent to spell it right and type it right. /me wonders how "gf" is misspelled The way I see it, even typing "gf" is more personal than a bind, because it shows you took the time to go type something out for *that particular fight*, instead of a key that you can just spam (even if you do mean it). _______________ ~Dav Proud Former Padawan of 3th |
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Squibit - Student
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Quote: I personally use bind, partially because i like haveng color I HATE MULTICOLOUR BINDS !!! Quote: also because im an incrediably bad typist and speller. I feel it shows more respect to your opponent to spell it right and type it right. I guess thats true but if you just bind it then you are hardly taking time and effort to spell or type it right. Also I think sayin "goofd fihgt" after the duel is so much more personal BTW I think binds are a good idea, not as good as typing but some times even jedi just can't be bothered _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Rogue - Student 
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Simple answer. Gk = Good Kill = Fight where you were 0wned. Gf = Good Fight = Fights that were close, long etc etc Sometimes i say neither and just say "lol, my head" or whatever i feel like saying, we arnt children for gods sake. If someone doesnt say either of these to you, don't have a damn cow over it. _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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I might not agree with that. I personally use bind, partially because i like haveng color nut also because im an incrediably bad typist and speller. I feel it shows more respect to your opponent to spell it right and type it right. Also by typing it, it can come out differently each time, which can lead people to read too much into it when the message wasnt really intended. e.g. 'it wasnt really a good duel' I feel that saying good fight, good luck and similar ar simply marks of respect for your oppanent as well as in indication of a good duel and the fact that binds are used i no way detract from the real meaning. I mean, the person had to learn how to set binds and make the bind in the first place, right. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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