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Squibit - Student  |
Let me begin with a story (facts may vary it doesn’t matter its the principles that count)... I was on the servers today when a member (person A) challenged a new member (person B) to a duel... They began to fight and then person B retreated some way, lowered their sabre and asked if the duel could be held up while they dealt with a real life issue (answer the phone or something like that).. they went afk with their chat box up. their opponent lowered (or the point would possibly work better if they didn't) their sabre and stood near by. Some time later, having finished the phone call Person B returns to their computer, sees their opponent stood by (with or without their sabre drawn) and without a chat box up, and attacks, and kills person A. (hope you all followed that) Person A is upset because they obviously weren't ready for the attack. But the new member (person B) has broken no rules arguing that if person A wasn't ready they should have had their chat box up and that they were engaged in a duel so person A had agreed to take part in the aggressive action. Now you all know as I do that if someone doesn’t have their sabre drawn then that generally signifies that they are not ready to fight. But if the new member didn’t realise this then they can’t even be said to be showing disrespect. You may say that it’s pretty obvious that if your opponent doesn’t have a weapon drawn they clearly aren’t ready to fight (a point I would argue with you on). But that’s not the point. The point is we have a lot of “rules” or , a code of conduct here that isn’t written anywhere. It could possibly be written but could never include everything. And it’s things that new members (especially those coming from the public servers) even having read the rules may not know… things like: The winner of a duel in a matrix room usually takes part in the next duel. Randomly using non-harming force powers (such as drain or push) should not be done without people agreeing. If someone’s sabre is knocked to the ground in the middle of a NF duel you should wait for them to retrieve it. If your sabre is knocked down you shouldn’t try to position yourself so it hits your opponent when you pick it up. You should say “good fight” (or the equivalent) after every duel You may say that all of these are clearly bad form / disrespectful and shouldn’t be done, but consider the following: Your attack knocks your opponents sabre out of the way, it is OK to go in for some hits while their defence is down You jump up high and land behind your opponent, it is OK to hit them in the back. Generally (although sometimes annoying) its OK to jump on peoples heads. It is OK to use your DL-44 pistol to mark out paths for training, although technically against the rules. All of these things could be seen as disrespectful or “dirty fighting”. How is a new member to know all of these things? They will of course learn it all in time, but they could lose a large number of friends during this time. The student introduction program will pair up many new members with more experienced members who can teach them all these things. But not all new members take up that offer. Its currently just gone 1am, and I probably started babbling a few times there  And also because of how late it is I have forgot any ideas for a solutions that I may have come up with, so ill leave that up to you guys for now Good night, Hope it mostly made sense  --Squibit of Belouve EDIT: Pinch punch first of the month ! _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once This post was edited by Squibit on Nov 01 2004 01:18am. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: I type "gf" because I don't *have* any binds - and nor do I want any. Maybe it's just me, but I find it pretty irritating to see the same scripted text message over and over and over... Okay, of course it's showing much more respect to actually type it, I agree. However, it's quite annoying to have to type it over and over. I know it's a lame excuse, but sometimes I just don't feel up to typing "Good fight" all the time. The same goes for "Lol". I type it rarely, but most of the time, it'll be a bind. This is, of course, just me. Still, many, many other players use a bind for these too. |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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Actually, if you break the rules at all, you have "technically" broken the rules, whether you get caught or not. If you don't get caught that just means you were lucky and nothing will be done about it. But remember, just because you don't think you were caught, doesn't mean you weren't. You never know when it may come back to bite you.  [edit] /me looks at his large collection of blackmail demos /me cackles evilly [/edit] _______________ A wizard did it. This comment was edited by ozzcoz on Nov 02 2004 04:40pm. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Yeah I mean the official rules as well, if you aren't caught or proved to be breaking them, then technically, you havn't  and I do realise that this is a very friendly place, its been good to be, but don't forget that the majority of people who sign up in the first place heard about the community beacuse it teaches you (thats the basic idea of this place anyway isn't it?). Granted maybe a few days, hours even minutes after joining they forget about all that and fall into the fun loving place but lots of people join up simply for the chance to play better (they don't know about thge friendly community until they sign up) Just my thoughts Let everyone play the way they want, if your way gets in somone elses way, erm.....get out of the way _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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Quote: (...) its only considered rule breaking or cheating if you're actually caught doing it Not at all. Rule breaking is strictly restricted to the rules written in this page. I just say that I dislike people not doing this, but I won't say anything about it. Everyone has to become aware of this or just ignore it. This isno rule, it's my personal way of thinking and acting. And also, I would probably become friends more easily with someone that does as I do than with someone not doing it It's a matter of personal sensitivity. [EDIT:] Quote: ...and for those of you who are just here to play and get better, (...) And tell me one thing please: is the ambition of playing and becoming better incompatible with a nice and pleasant behavior? If you look at the JA members, we have some great players, very skilled and yet they're very nice and pleasant, bowing, saying friendly words after a win or a lose, not attacking disarmed people and so on... You have NO obligation to do so, but as I said it increases the friendly atmosphere in the JA. If you don't do this you won't be banned, but you might be very lonely in this community. _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan  - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here This comment was edited by Odan-Wei Belouve on Nov 02 2004 02:11pm. |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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...and for those of you who are just here to play and get better, its only considered rule breaking or cheating if you're actually caught doing it _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student
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Alright, lets take part in this interesting thread Etiquette is not a set of rules. It is merely a line of conduct that increases the respect on the servers. I do bow, I do NOT attack a disarmed opponent and I am patient enough to allow my opponent to go afk for 2-3 mins if needed. That's my personal choice, as I think this is an honourable way of fighting. By bowing I salute my opponent, paying him respect and letting him now I am ready to fight. By not attacking a disarmed opponent, I show him that I'm not willing to take an edge on him because he lost his saber. I consider we're in an Academy, thus I respect members as brothers, I do not consider them as foes. Now if the guy is trying to hurt me while taking back his saber, I'll show no mercy. Fighting my way maybe honourable but not is certainly not stupid or too permissive. I do not attack people that just came out of AFK state nor do I accept being attacked by an opponent straight after he comes back to his keyboard. Here again, it's all about fighting honourably in my opinion. I do not think there is such a thing as 'dirty fighting' however I do think there is such a thing as honourable and respectful fighting. To my mind, if you show your opponent you're not gonna use any 'easy' way to beat him, then you're paying him respect, you acknowledge the fact he's not a NPC and has feelings. I hate being lamed while I bow, to me it is a huge mark of disrespect, a mark of wanting the victory by all means. If I need a minute to catch a drink or take a pee, I expect my opponent to give me that lil break, and I will not disrespect him by making him wait for hours. When I'm disarmed, I always jump away from my opponent, first to avoid any swings, and also to know if he's gonna allow me to take my saber back without rushing at me. Depending on the way he chooses I'll either get my saber back and bow again to let him know I'm ready, or just jump around trying to get him hurt by my saber when on its way back to my hand. And to reply to several posts, I do think it is common sense. If the official rules are the stones that built the JA, informal rules are the cement that keep them together. My very own $0.02  Odan-Wei _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here |
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Hive - Student 
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Quote: And also...I find that when I duel someone and they type "gf" after the duel instead of maybe using their bind "--[Goodfight]--" or whatever they have, it feels like the duel was just a so-so...I know it's a stupid thought. But my head works that way I type "gf" because I don't *have* any binds - and nor do I want any. Maybe it's just me, but I find it pretty irritating to see the same scripted text message over and over and over... |
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Rosie - Student 
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Great post Squib I agree with you all the way, thankyou for making me look at the "goodfight" word in a different way. Because I've started to notice that now it's more of a reflex after every fight. (yeah boo me:p) And also...I find that when I duel someone and they type "gf" after the duel instead of maybe using their bind "--[Goodfight]--" or whatever they have, it feels like the duel was just a so-so...I know it's a stupid thought. But my head works that way *runs away and hides under a bed* |
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Furi0us - Student 
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Quote: Yeah, I agree with that, just don't expect me to follow a honour code... I'm on there to kill and chat, not to be a nice guy. Amen. _______________ You are not your f***ing system specs. You are not your uptime stats, your script file, or your oversized desktop screencap. You are not your broadband connection. You are not your f***ing post count. |
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delta - Student 
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Indeed, that's how I see "good fight" as too - generally if I think that a fight somehow stood out, I say something like "very good fight", or "nice one!" or something along those lines to distinguish it. _______________ ~Dav Proud Former Padawan of 3th |
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Squibit - Student 
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I agree with all those that think saying "good fight" after all duels is not a good idea, well i used to, as when you really did think a duel was good no one will take it seriously and its just plain silly saying good fight if it was over in a couple of seconds because of a flukey hit. I mentioned this to someone once (sorry forgoten who you are ) and they said that to them saying "good fight" is more like saying "Fair fight"It means that you think both you and your opponent showed each other respect during the duel and you are saticfied with the outcome (be it a win or a loss). I thought that was a really good way to look at it. I now always try to remember to thank my opponent for a good fight however predicatable or quick it maybe. _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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Hive - Student 
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I hate saying "good fight" if my opponent wastes me with 100 HP intact. And it happens a lot.  |
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delta - Student 
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It all comes down to the fact that ettiquette is just that, ettiquette, not law. Partaking (or lack there of) may have an impact on the opinions of others, so if may be in your best interest (although at times, as some people have mentioned, you may not care to). Oftentimes new members simply don't get the significance of certain things, especially things like the crouch-bow instead of the formal one - it can be difficult to realize that it's being used as a bow to someone who's never seen it before. Other things, like using bryars as markers instead of weapons are certainly not obvious, and an appropriate note might be made in the holocron (although an accompanying word of caution against abuse might be in order ). _______________ ~Dav Proud Former Padawan of 3th |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Bow / Don't Bow, it doesnt matter. Don't kill me when im bowing Damn, he turns a paragraph of mine into two phrases. Nice one _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Yeah, I agree with that, just don't expect me to follow a honour code... I'm on there to kill and chat, not to be a nice guy. |
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Squibit - Student
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Quote: Yes, it's only a game, with the objective being fun. I don't expect my opponent to bow to me, or even say 'Good Fight' or anything similar. However, I would have a problem with bowing if say, I chose to do it (which i do) and was lamed while doing so. I don,t expect people to bow in return and i have no problem with them not doing so, but respecting other people choices when they choose to follow a personal code of etiquette is the real significance behind by point. Bow / Don't Bow, it doesnt matter. Don't kill me when im bowing _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Yes, it's only a game, with the objective being fun. I don't expect my opponent to bow to me, or even say 'Good Fight' or anything similar. However, I would have a problem with bowing if say, I chose to do it (which i do) and was lamed while doing so. I don,t expect people to bow in return and i have no problem with them not doing so, but respecting other people choices when they choose to follow a personal code of etiquette is the real significance behind by point. BTW I'm not sure hot coherent or logical that point was, im very very tired right now If my post didnt make sense say so _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: They fight 'dirty' or annoy you, walk away Agreed, but if they really break the rules in a very bad way, they you should point it out they are breaking the rules, and if they don't mend their ways, say "Coffeeboy to Server!" in IRC... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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At the end of the day (and I think I sum this up for everyone ) play by the written rules but also play how you yourself want to play. If you don't like something someone does, don't frikkin play em!! They fight 'dirty' or annoy you, walk away, find someone that you will have fun playing. Some people aren't here to have fun remember, some are here just to learn to play the game better, don't get in their way and they won't get in yours!! _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
This comment was edited by Jake Kainite on Nov 01 2004 05:32pm. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
It's still a game, though - they aren't gonna drop dead if you don't bow. I'm not saying I'll go berserk on them while they bow, but a mere sign they're ready should be enough. Don't expect others to bow, even if you do it. Remember, it's a game which was made for killing, not tea parties. |
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Aayla Secura - Ex-Student 
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sure the world is good only coz of respect, sorry its me being ditzie again. _______________ IN UR FACE I'M NOT BLONDE! |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Good World If it was a "Bad World", it would all be screwed up. For example: The world many, many years ago. It's much better now, even though there are some things wrong, it's not all perfect, but it's still a "Good World" as of now. That goes for a lot of things, if you think about it. The more respect, the better the world. |
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Aayla Secura - Ex-Student
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Define "good world" plz _______________ IN UR FACE I'M NOT BLONDE! |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Well, if you don't step back and bow, someone's gonna die quicker. I've engaged in a duel and had them sabering me like 3 seconds into it (by which time I had just turned on my Saber). Respect goes a long way. Without respect, the world wouldn't be as good as it is today. . . |
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