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jidai - ex-Student |
is there a way to beat the left and right swing or scissors other than doing it yourself? This post was edited by jidai on Nov 14 2004 03:48pm. |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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delays don't work too well if they're paying attention though. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Most Yellow user's tend to wait for the opponent's Attack to finish. But if you finish your attack, and begin as they're coming in, they're screwed!  |
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jidai - Ex-Student |
against a skilled guy, i don't find red to do any good, escpecially if the guy knows about red delays. i hate to see what happens to you after you miss a lunge. the guy can just back away when you do overhead and strike you again with scissors. the arial might do the trick, but i don't think it's too effective. thanks for the opinions. i find that precautions and footworks are the most important This comment was edited by jidai on Dec 09 2004 08:26am. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Use red swings and delays. It'll screw up their timing for sure! This comment was edited by Setementor on Dec 08 2004 10:25pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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of course  just depends on the yellow user being bad  kidding, the thing to remember is that the yellow user will counter you each time. make each attack of yours count. use a lot of aaerials and delayed combos to stay safe. not much else i can think of doing to be honest. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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It is possible to beat yellow stance user without scissors.. with red stance  _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Well me personally, when i am dueling a scissors monger, I use a red over head or a blue lunge, that always puts em' in thier place.... DONT YOU SCISSOR SPAM ME YA PIECE!!!!! -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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Jidai, if your having problems with this style of fighting i will be starting up my "One on One" class on saturday mornings again as of Next saturday, if you sign up for the class i will be more than happy to help you with this porblem or anyothers that you may be having -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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jidai - Ex-Student |
does anyone know another game that focuses a lot in fighting like sword fighting. a game which requires the arts. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: from what i see, it's intuition and the mind. but i'm sure there is a mechanism also but would take a great deal of research. if anyone had done something for the mechanism i would appreciate if you can share. You should visit Virtues Class sometime =) Or just ask some of the more experienced yellow users about such things...like Jaiko or Jaina. Oh and ive noticed that the right-forward swing of the medium stance is quite powerful but pretty slow...if timed right, he might even break through the scissors defenses. But i doubt that someone could fight seriously with using only this or any other move besides the scissor against another medium stancer. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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jidai - Ex-Student |
is there really a mechanism for saber dueling? is it all about intuitions from training? is it a psychological battle? from years of dueling, i feel like i'm just "fluking" it. what forces govern the battle from victory and defeat? from what i see, it's intuition and the mind. but i'm sure there is a mechanism also but would take a great deal of research. if anyone had done something for the mechanism i would appreciate if you can share. what makes the medium very special is that i was able to defeat an inexperienced player easily when he uses heavy or staff or dual. but when he uses the medium and fights me, i get a higher chance of losing. as if something in the medium that balances out the powerful and the weak. when you say assure, do you mean 100 percent because i think there are other factors that gave you the win. it might seem like it works. so ambiguous... This comment was edited by jidai on Nov 17 2004 10:34pm. |
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Throgun Donut - Ex-Student 
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Ah, but thats where the waggle comes in. that gives them a near 360 degree arc, and the ability to concentrate where they're going. Also keep in mind a lot of people who fight like that will refuse to do absolutely anything until you do something first. I've fought a few like that here. I myself don't like yellow vs yellow fights at all. Yellow is a really unreliable stance as far as combinations go. You can't tell very well when your combination is going to be forcefully cut off, and so people who just wait to attack get the upper hand. As for the left/right stuff with duals and staff, it is actually a lot easier to counter them using diagonal swings and superior positioning, and thats why I enjoy fights between those styles, they're really fast paced and a lot about quickly aiming a atrike after a parry and such. People think they're just random, but you really just have to get a feel for doing it. But generally, my favorite counter for the yellow scissors with single is just run-by yellow shots. If the guy starts crouching and or waggling, then I just toss away the yellow and get in there with red. _______________ "Wars do not make one great" |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student
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Personally i dont believe that side swings make a great dueler, nor does it give any great advantage in my eyes. Movement is one of the major keys to dueling and the sideways motion generated by these swings can be used to an advangtage as it allows you to move around the opponent, or take advantage of an ungaurded shouler. If someone is using sideswings dont try to counter with a swing, instead counter them with superiour movement and mindset....That is the key in my eyes. -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Mirael D'Kana - Student 
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Masta: Actually, u can win any duel using SINGLE medium stance swings. I assure U. No need for scissors. Same about blue stance, but meh, i can't do that. Just yet. Never seen it either. And to answer the person who asked the question about beating left-right scissor attack: there is a way. Meet me on JA wireplay one day for a little demostration. I'll gladly teach u =) _______________ -The mind is its own place, and in itself, can make heaven of Hell, and a hell of Heaven.(John Milton)- Mirael D'Kana, daughter and Padawan to Jaina D'Kana, proud mastress to Crash D'Kana and Saige D'Kana. Winner of Henkes' Pure Pwnage Award. Proud owner of Jaina's 999th post. Proud user of Odan Wei's JA Logo in my avatar. -SWG random quote: People use hammers to knock holes in the wall. I use a hammer to knock Bounty Hunters' teeth out.- This comment was edited by Mirael D'Kana on Nov 17 2004 03:15pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: this left and right swing really killed the variety of the game. since it's so powerful you'd see a lot of people using it over and over as a choice for medium. people claiming they are elite duelists use this all the time, i wonder why. in a way it makes other swings quite obsolete. i find it physically incorrect also. This is so true. It almost seems like theres nothing to medium stance besides scissors. Especially when fighting other medium stancers...its quite hard to win such a duel WITHOUT using scissors yourself (when using medium stance that is) But there are a few possibilites to get a medium stancer with red...it just takes much unpredictability and surprise. Of course, ive never managed to beat a flawless medium user...and of course, ive never managed to beat a flawless red user...and i just cant say that the medium stance is more superior then any other stance. Its just not true...but thats my opinion. Take Care _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Nov 17 2004 09:08am. |
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jidai - Ex-Student |
easier said than done actually. if there are flaws then please tell me how to beat it. the guy does left and right swing when you run close to him and takes a whole bunch of hp from you. you come and do a swing on him but what if you fail. that could be your last swing. even if you actually hit him, it's nothing compared to his attack. left and right left and right. down goes your hp. not only does he know to fight against you but also gets an advantage on damage due to that left and right swing. so i guess you can't win unless you do it yourself or you're going to have a heck of a time winning. don't forget that he's as good as you are so he can maneuver himself to dodge your swings. the chances of you winning him not 50/50 as you would expect. this left and right swing really killed the variety of the game. since it's so powerful you'd see a lot of people using it over and over as a choice for medium. people claiming they are elite duelists use this all the time, i wonder why. in a way it makes other swings quite obsolete. i find it physically incorrect also. i missed the days of outcast where you could actualy beat someone with the blue style without trying so hard. you basically have no chance against an experienced play using the blue style here. This comment was edited by jidai on Nov 17 2004 03:22am. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Absorb. Nobody said the gunners had to be forceless. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Masta - Jedi Council
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*cough force pull *cough =P _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Weee. ^^ |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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haha yeah, lets just agree on that: guns > * *psst* (now we made Aratan smile ) _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Quote: ... right until the gunner jumps in, and kills all saberists around him. theres always someone... tru though _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Rofl ... |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: Can't say it just like that ? Well I just did!! And I'll damn well say it again!! An uber yellow vs an uber Red, the yellow will win every time, power is no substitute for speed and agility. Sure it might be pretty close, but yllow would come up trumps most of the time.... ... right until the gunner jumps in, and kills all saberists around him. |
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