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Throgun Donut - ex-Student  |
Whoever is reponsible for messing up the servers with these weird alterations, please fix them. I don't like 10 second duels. _______________ "Wars do not make one great" |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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There is one main difference (for me) between basejka and the old damages, and that is that with basejka, the priority is to avoid getting hit by your opponents swings. With the old damages I found myself more than willing to jump into most yellow (and sometimes red) users swings because I knew they wouldnt kill me and I was confident I could do more damage to them than they would to me. In basejka you cant afford to do that. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: you can get one hell of a lenghty duel out of basejka Yep! When Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy was released, many were disappointed with the game. The damage settings were one of many reasons. A lot of the Jedi Knight community decided to change back to Jedi Outcast, as others stuck with Academy. What you see on the servers now is basejka. Also, before the mod was compiled with this compiler, you could still do one hit strikes. This comment was edited by Setementor on Dec 02 2004 05:39am. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: it's for the better ill reserve judgement on thet for another week or so  until ive layed more with it.right now thought, the old settings were much more fun. especially combined with JAs flaky collision detection. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge  Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Tido - Student 
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it's for the better. And trust me you can get one hell of a lenghty duel out of basejka  . |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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unfortunately, these damage changes are here to stay. Virue and Orion confirmed this. They said that JAR was a serverside mod only and so now damages with be base JA...brutish.  _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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Quote: And so, here's the question. If you don't like JK3, why play it? I didn't say I don't like it, I said it's not realistic in the slightest, mister trying pathetically to patronize. 2 things about this: First, don't be picky on one word, for sure this is a game so realism might not be suitable, however I explained enough what I meant by a second post. This game is based on the movies thus I assume that combats should look like the ones in the movies, ie a lot of parrying/countering and the only few swings that pass through the defense are deadly. Second, don't jump on people like you did for Mike/JumpinJedi. Mike wasn't disrespectful but rather trying to make you develop your point. So, lets be civil and gentle Odan-Wei Belouve _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan  - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here This comment was edited by Odan-Wei Belouve on Dec 01 2004 11:12pm. |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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i used to complain about mods, though not excessively, but it's really not that big of a deal now that i think about it. Switching from jar used by the ja before to a basejk or bwn dueling server used to make me think i'm playing two different games. So often would the things i practiced in the ja end up failing on the dueling servers and i didn't know why. Why didn't countering work, why didn't this work, why didn't that work--it was all too confusing. I ended up just dueling inside the academy because i would lose so often on the dueling servers and waste too much time to wait for my turn again lolololol. It took me quite a while to learn that while the mod and the gametype change did matter to an extent, it wasn't the main reason why i couldn't do well at all on the dueling servers. The main reason was the way that i played was better suited for play on modded ffa servers. i wasn't at all precise with my hits and i was just doing moves and trying to do more damage than the other guy and i can get away with this dueling style...just not on base. i had to adapt and improve my skills before i was able to do consitently well on basejk dueling servers. pt is: a well aimed hit is a good hit on all servers and all mods...err i think. |
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Carve - Student 
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I think this thread sums up quite nicely why I put so little effort into maintaining any semblance of activity here. Geez... so whiny, no respect, rather pretentious... One other thing I'd like to mention - I rollstabs are often one-hit kills when not a glancing blow... and don't just rollstab some guy standing there and say it doesn't work if he doesn't die - damage is affected by counters and relative saber position. *sigh* _______________ © |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Perhaps we should stipulate that by "realistic" we mean "believable," i.e. given that we have suspended our disbelief about a few things to accept the premises of the movies, beyond that "realism" is what is then logically consistent with the movies, consistent without requiring us to suspend our disbelief in anything else. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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I don't patronise; I take the piss! There's a difference, buddy. |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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I dont think he was trying to patronise you Throgun. He just misunderstood your point. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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in addition, we (im assuming ) dont really care about realism. we're just here to have some fun. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Throgun Donut - Ex-Student 
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Quote: And so, here's the question. If you don't like JK3, why play it? I didn't say I don't like it, I said it's not realistic in the slightest, mister trying pathetically to patronize. _______________ "Wars do not make one great" |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Well, let's be thankful that the Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy crew did such a good job, even if it does have its bugs. |
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And so, here's the question. If you don't like JK3, why play it? |
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Throgun Donut - Ex-Student 
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I could write a college thesis on things in this game that are "unrealistic", people being to take multiple swings from a lightsaber being the least of them. _______________ "Wars do not make one great" |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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'Realistic' meant that according to the movies, a lightsaber is able to cut a man into 2 pieces or more without extreme effort... _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here This comment was edited by Odan-Wei Belouve on Dec 01 2004 04:31pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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realistic isnt really an issue in a world full of 'lightsabers' the important thing is fun, and now that damage ahs been sorted, and JAR 1.4 due to come out soon, funs gonna return the old damage was weird _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student
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I'm pretty satisfied with the change. Makes duels much more realistic. I mean come one, how can a man take more than 1-2 swings across his body without dying ? _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Ok so from my experience, the saber combat system has changed very much...but in a pretty positive way. Yes ppl can do some very strange 1hit kills now (even 100+hp yellow hits =P) and yes theres still some ghosting going around ..but a lot other issues have been fixed. And because of that, I want to commend Orion for what he has done. Yes we all know that its still not perfect and that some other issues came up while cleaning the server .cfgs, but in my opinion...it was worth it. And as indicated by Orion himself, there will be a MOD update soon so...i hope hes gonna fix the remaining issues. In any case, thanks a lot for the fixes so far and keep up the good work man. W00T ORION!!! Take Care =) _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Dec 01 2004 10:51am. |
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Orion - Retired 
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I've made a news post addressing hte situation feel free to read that for more info _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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I was playing on the servers the last few days and a lot of the duels lasted quite a while. |
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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Cough, not to mention he copied every GD idea I had. Feh to that I say... FEH!!!! _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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Orion - Retired 
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We are working with it, Virtue has tested WP and says its fine, its how basejk should be. As for home and classes we are investigating, it may be a problem that since the box those servers are on run FreeBSD. In which a Linux Compatibility layer has to be run in order for programs compiled under linux to be run on FreeBSD, which may cause some issue. Or it maybe I have to do some minor tweaks, to undo the fixes I was told to do to get the mod to compile under Linux with different tools. I used the tools Raven used to make basejk to make the current version of JAR that is on the servers, but it still has to other fixes, which may need to be taken out. _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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Tido - Student 
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Orion is working on it, no sweat. If you guys want to check out some basejka, I have the Aurochs server running it atm. IP: 198.247.172.102:29071 pass: default pass for jk3home |
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