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Bizarre combat changes
Dec 01 2004 01:02am Throgun Donut - ex-Student	Whoever is reponsible for messing up the servers with these weird alterations, please fix them. I don't like 10 second duels. _______________ "Wars do not make one great"

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Dec 01 2004 07:39pm

JavaGuy
- Student

Perhaps we should stipulate that by "realistic" we mean "believable," i.e. given that we have suspended our disbelief about a few things to accept the premises of the movies, beyond that "realism" is what is then logically consistent with the movies, consistent without requiring us to suspend our disbelief in anything else.
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Dec 01 2004 07:36pm

Â
- Student

I don't patronise; I take the piss! There's a difference, buddy.

Dec 01 2004 07:24pm

Gil-Galad
- Student

I dont think he was trying to patronise you Throgun. He just misunderstood your point.
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Dec 01 2004 07:13pm

solitude
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in addition, we (im assuming

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Dec 01 2004 07:08pm

Throgun Donut
- Ex-Student

Quote:

And so, here's the question.

If you don't like JK3, why play it?

I didn't say I don't like it, I said it's not realistic in the slightest, mister trying pathetically to patronize.
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Dec 01 2004 06:49pm

Setementor
- Jedi Master

Well, let's be thankful that the Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy crew did such a good job, even if it does have its bugs.

Dec 01 2004 06:29pm

Â
- Student

And so, here's the question.

If you don't like JK3, why play it?

Dec 01 2004 04:18pm

Throgun Donut
- Ex-Student

I could write a college thesis on things in this game that are "unrealistic", people being to take multiple swings from a lightsaber being the least of them.
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Dec 01 2004 03:21pm

Odan-Wei Belouve
- Student

'Realistic' meant that according to the movies, a lightsaber is able to cut a man into 2 pieces or more without extreme effort...
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Dec 01 2004 02:17pm

solitude
- Jedi Council

realistic isnt really an issue in a world full of 'lightsabers'

the important thing is fun, and now that damage ahs been sorted, and JAR 1.4 due to come out soon, funs gonna return

Dec 01 2004 01:37pm

Odan-Wei Belouve
- Student

I'm pretty satisfied with the change. Makes duels much more realistic. I mean come one, how can a man take more than 1-2 swings across his body without dying ?

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Dec 01 2004 10:50am

Masta
- Jedi Council

Ok so from my experience, the saber combat system has changed very much...but in a pretty positive way.
Yes ppl can do some very strange 1hit kills now (even 100+hp yellow hits =P) and yes theres still some ghosting going around ..but a lot other issues have been fixed.
And because of that, I want to commend Orion for what he has done.
Yes we all know that its still not perfect and that some other issues came up while cleaning the server .cfgs, but in my opinion...it was worth it.
And as indicated by Orion himself, there will be a MOD update soon so...i hope hes gonna fix the remaining issues.

In any case, thanks a lot for the fixes so far and keep up the good work man.

W00T ORION!!!

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This comment was edited by Masta on Dec 01 2004 10:51am.

Dec 01 2004 03:48am

Orion
- Retired

I've made a news post addressing hte situation feel free to read that for more info

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Dec 01 2004 03:36am

Setementor
- Jedi Master

I was playing on the servers the last few days and a lot of the duels lasted quite a while.

Dec 01 2004 03:04am

cHoSeN oNe
- Retired

Cough, not to mention he copied every GD idea I had. Feh to that I say... FEH!!!!

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Dec 01 2004 03:03am

Orion
- Retired

We are working with it, Virtue has tested WP and says its fine, its how basejk should be. As for home and classes we are investigating, it may be a problem that since the box those servers are on run FreeBSD. In which a Linux Compatibility layer has to be run in order for programs compiled under linux to be run on FreeBSD, which may cause some issue. Or it maybe I have to do some minor tweaks, to undo the fixes I was told to do to get the mod to compile under Linux with different tools. I used the tools Raven used to make basejk to make the current version of JAR that is on the servers, but it still has to other fixes, which may need to be taken out.
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Dec 01 2004 02:44am

Tido
- Student

Orion is working on it, no sweat.

If you guys want to check out some basejka, I have the Aurochs server running it atm.

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Dec 01 2004 02:34am

Duffman
- Student

welcome to my world.

There is a difference between what the ja has and nomal, unmoded servers (yes a few do still exsist)

another thing you should take into consideration - new ppl coming here have probably learned a bit on the ja+ system (which we all hate, moan about it later) so thier impression of damages and ect will be thrown off anyway.

take that into consideration and don't condone them for it. The first thing i ever hear when a ja member comes to my servers "OMG JA+ sucks!"

there is a great resentment here for slider and his work (weither you belive he did work or not) and just about everyone is very vocal about it. While i agree that slider's mod has done irrevicable damage to a game we love, the fact of the matter is there are several HUNDERED servers out there running it, my own included. Adjusting to the odd blocking (wiether odd, because im used to ja+, or odd because im wierd) on the ja servers, doesnt take that much. but i, like many people here, have been playing jka at least for a year, and jk2 beforehand. *assumes old giezer stance* i remember back in the day, nothing stoped red swings, noteven other red swings. wiether that was cause of the newbies that had the game, or whatever, i remember almost no stoping of somethings before mods came out.

bottom line? stuff happens. ask those incharge in a nice and polite why what was changed, and why. chances are they were changed for a reason. dont go "what the heck? CHANGE IT BACK!!" and if things are that bad, they will be fixed.

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Dec 01 2004 02:34am

Gradius
- Ex-Student

Well, its one thing to have higher damage settings. But the way they are now, it's unbelievable. It's supposedly basejka, but I just got done playing a few minutes ago, and not once have I done 100/50 damage doing a rollstab with staff on a basejka server. I do believe some tweaking is in order when the new version of the mod is finished.

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Dec 01 2004 01:51am

JavaGuy
- Student

Well, a few nights ago I was on WirePlay (yes, JavaGuy does go on WirePlay sometimes) and fought several duels that seemed to last forever. Most of the hits, whether my hits or my opponent's hits, that looked to me like they landed did no damage at all.

Now I really liked the way it was before we started "cleaning" the servers. I didn't notice any glitches, and I really liked the way it worked. I was kind of under the impression, however, that the JA mod was an "admin-only" mod and didn't change how combat worked. I guess not.

However, if the JA is "THE place for Jedi training" (look at the banner at the top of this page), that kind of suggests that someone getting beaten consistently on the public servers can come here and learn to do better. If combat is different here than it is on other servers, then someone who trains here feels like a fish out of water on the publics. I realize, of course, that there's a significant percentage of the JA community that never goes out on other servers. I go a lot less often than I used to, but I still go.

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Dec 01 2004 01:51am

Virtue
- Jedi Council

Actually, Orion re-compiled the Mod with the settings that Raven used. So, it didn nothing to the Sabering system, but it did fix what was last going on with the Servers.

I prefer it like this, maybe not with this much damage, but at least the system is working properly now.

- Virtue.

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Dec 01 2004 01:23am

Gradius
- Ex-Student

All of the damages have been reset to basejka. Basically, it's as if there wasn't a mod. I'm not to fond of these new settings either; however, they are better for training.

EDIT: Orion has been using some "new" compiling techniques as well. This causes some changes in the sabering system. But he is working on fixing everything one step at a time.

Dec 01 2004 01:12am

Throgun Donut
- Ex-Student

I just got done dueling with Vasper, and it was a joke. Not a single one lasted over a half-minute, regardless of who won. Shots that normally would've been parried were punching through and doing lots of damage, and shots that normally would've been regular hits were just flat out killing, or coming close. I don't know what's been changed, since the saberdamagescale is still 1, but there is something that's been tampered with, and I can't say as I'm enjoying it.
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Dec 01 2004 01:06am

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Dec 01 2004 01:05am

delta
- Student

I agree that there have been a lot of weird hits happening in the past couple of days... any new specific damage alterations in JAR, Orion?
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