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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor  |
Since I cant play for a while I have lotsa time to think  and I asked myself the following question:Can a redstancer close his gaps completely? if u ask me, I have the impression he cannot... Let's imagine that's true, wouldnt it be wiser to use yellow vs a staff and/or duals instead of Red? Because if you cannot close ur gaps for a full 100 per cent, in theory, a redstancer will always loose... i think  So, what do you guys think?  _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. This post was edited by Orion on Dec 31 2004 09:35pm. |
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In theory, which single-saber stance would be the best against s staff or duals? Red... or yellow?
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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Im still throwing random sciccors LOL Heh, its good 2 hear how gaps can actually benefit you... I always saw them as a disadvantage  Learned sometyhing new, ty  _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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Ecks - Student 
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But that's where you jump away and whimper like a coward from afar. Repeat the process until you get lucky. For master staffers, it's really hard to hit them, because obviously, the staff leaves few openings. I don't like to use jumping style around staffers either, as a missed attack could easily be punished. Mostly, I'd probably just fan a bit, then throw in a few overhand - side swipe combos for good measure. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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3th - Retired 
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except for the fact side swings will be "run around" easily by any decent staffer, and then he'll eat your lunch _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Ecks - Student
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Against staff, I just use the patented, "Start the side swing early and drag it through them, inch by inch..." Simple but effective. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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3th - Retired
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against staff, if you're using red, the staff will be looking for those gaps. give them the appearance of a gap (leave an intentional gap that will lure them in, but be ready to close it fast) and slam the door on 'em when they go for it. _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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both, Yellow is harder becuz of the block ablity, altho i prefer red for it, side lsice duck leap out and head shot BANG _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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RED all the way. In my "opinion" 2 keys to dispatching a Staffer/Dualer with eeez! 1.Movement-DO NOT BE PREDICTABLE. OR U B DED! 2. RED stance! _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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Hehe, I like to use yellow fake swings, so that when the etsaff or dual user attacks, hes open. If I would acyually be fast enough and knew how and where to aim, I might me able to hit there gaps. Thats my tactic, which I find so far extremely hard to do. I end up throwing some random sciccors at staff/duals mostly! _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. |
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Ecks - Student 
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Quote: In my opinion its like...when you fight a really defensive staffer/duallist...then the only thing you can do (besides switching to yellow) is, to depend on their mistakes (which makes me feel bad). Its like...you can try to lure them of course...but the duel will be decided mostly on how good the duallists/staffers movement and counters are.This only is the fact if the opponent is mainly focused on beeing defensive... Fighting offensive duallists/staffers is a different thing...the common aggressive opponent will mostly just swing as often as he can while releasing his attack button here and there. What does that mean for the red user?Just pick him off the distance =) You get too close = you are dead That's what makes dual masters so hard to fight against. There is so little margin for error for red stancers, both on offense and defense. It really keeps you on your toes; fighting a skilled dual master who doesn't make mistakes... Good for reflexes _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Lets sum up the advantages of Duals/Staff against Single: Staff: -has infinte amount of swings -can switch stances while swinging -has yellow stance (which is propably the biggest advantage) -is a lot faster -has preanimated moves Duals: -have nearly the same range as red swings -are a lot faster -infinte amount of swings -do a LOT of dmg -have powerfull delays and instakilling moves In my opinion its like...when you fight a really defensive staffer/duallist...then the only thing you can do (besides switching to yellow) is, to depend on their mistakes (which makes me feel bad). Its like...you can try to lure them of course...but the duel will be decided mostly on how good the duallists/staffers movement and counters are.This only is the fact if the opponent is mainly focused on beeing defensive... Fighting offensive duallists/staffers is a different thing...the common aggressive opponent will mostly just swing as often as he can while releasing his attack button here and there. What does that mean for the red user?Just pick him off the distance =) You get too close = you are dead _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Ecks - Student
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Well now that that's out of the way, I'm sure we can continue on as if nothing happened. Another advantage red has against dual and staff, besides being near impossible to block (unless you swung back), is that it throws off people's game if you know how to delay swings. As well, as opposed to blocking red sideswings or dodging, just press crouch at the last second. Most people are too confident that the swing will hit you, that when they overshoot, you can tear apart there knees with a side swing of your own. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." This comment was edited by Ecks on Feb 02 2005 02:56pm. |
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Duffman - Student 
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hence the rofl and the (it WAS a joke) but yes, it does work, you just have to know what your doing _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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Ecks - Student
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Quote: Not to mention in MP damage, the side swing is virtually unblockable.  rofl, lies and slander take it from a hardcore red user(normaly, however i can normaly use every stance/saber depending on my mood) all manuvers can be blocked or stop-thrusted. You just have to do it activly instead of leting the game do it on auto for you. here's a tip from der duffman when using red or yellow, at times its not always better to aim at the person, so much as aiming at thier saber. Red swings will stop every single kind of special {kata, dfa} and knock aside every kind of swing (including other red swings). Yellow can also acomplish this, although against red it has to be timed right, and takes even quicker reflexes then normal. This is what I call active blocking. Say you are backed up to a point where you cant retreat (wall or a cravase or lava or something silly) and you have no more room to evade, and the swing comes at you from your left. You have 2 choices, jump out of the way like a rabbit, or block the swing. If you used all your force to evade already, and are depleted, you dont have much choice. If its a red swing, and the oppoents arm is fully extended already, you have 1 option, counter with a red swing that comes from your right, and im for the midpoint of ur opponets swing. If sabler locks are enabled, this will have adecent chance of causing one, or cause the blade to richocette backwards, or twards your opponent. If the swing is in its starting position (drawn back, prepareing to swing) you can counter it with a yellow strike to the saber before the arm reaches extention and it will be blocked or richocette'd. This is also true against staff/dualies, although the timing has to be more precice as does your aim. my 2 cents MY 2 cents. The side swing is VIRTUALLY, dammit, not ACTUALLY unblockable. Look, ur not the only hardcore red stancer here. I don't care what ur theory is. I have dueled countless times, and NO ONE is stupid enough to block side swing. Perhaps u have different circumstances. Fine with me. I was referring to the fact that if you stood still, or were running, and I dragged my side swing into you, you wouldn't block it, unless u countered with a side swing, but you couldn't get it around fast enough. Please don't call my thoughts "lies and slander." Sorry if I sound angry, but I don't appreciate you preaching to me. I am in no way insulting you, and I am sure that you are an amazing duelist. But again, I don't really appreciate when someone calls my suggestion "lies and slander." (Unless ur joking, then all is forgiven. ) _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." This comment was edited by Ecks on Feb 02 2005 02:07am. |
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Duffman - Student
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Quote: Are the tatics that duffman is talking about covered in any of the classes that cover, the red stance? im betting someone else has either noticed this and passed on thier knowledge as i have to some of my better studends, or teaches it openly. there is one big reason why no one notices/teaches this type of fighting - there are 2 types of attacks, simple and complex. Simple will beat complex a decent portion of the time (siting back with yellow and waiting for a gap in red and ect), however my mind rarely works in a simple manner and i play chess/risk/ect regularly (rofl nerd alert) so i plan my hits and when i attack. Sure i miss opportunites to get hits in when my opponent is offballence or out of position, but whatcha gonna do if you're out of place trying to get your opponent where you want them? *shrug*its how i fight, and i have fun with it. If you catch me on my server or the ja servers, i'd be more then happy to show/explain some more, but i have some rl issues that are severely limiting my jka time =/ _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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Phantom - Student 
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Dude thats just theory lifes not about theory you got to go out and live it. Try red once Dash. _______________ -Phantom Ex-Master to Threat. Proud owner of Sazabi's 1500th comment! And Threats 50th comment "Insanity: a perfect rational adjustment to an insane world" |
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Stratejacket - Student 
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I say red all the way. Use red and attack on the defense. Get big hits at the right time. _______________ -Stratejacket FBS Clan Leader |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Are the tatics that duffman is talking about covered in any of the classes that cover, the red stance? _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Duffman - Student
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Quote: Not to mention in MP damage, the side swing is virtually unblockable. rofl, lies and slander take it from a hardcore red user(normaly, however i can normaly use every stance/saber depending on my mood) all manuvers can be blocked or stop-thrusted. You just have to do it activly instead of leting the game do it on auto for you. here's a tip from der duffman when using red or yellow, at times its not always better to aim at the person, so much as aiming at thier saber. Red swings will stop every single kind of special {kata, dfa} and knock aside every kind of swing (including other red swings). Yellow can also acomplish this, although against red it has to be timed right, and takes even quicker reflexes then normal. This is what I call active blocking. Say you are backed up to a point where you cant retreat (wall or a cravase or lava or something silly) and you have no more room to evade, and the swing comes at you from your left. You have 2 choices, jump out of the way like a rabbit, or block the swing. If you used all your force to evade already, and are depleted, you dont have much choice. If its a red swing, and the oppoents arm is fully extended already, you have 1 option, counter with a red swing that comes from your right, and im for the midpoint of ur opponets swing. If sabler locks are enabled, this will have adecent chance of causing one, or cause the blade to richocette backwards, or twards your opponent. If the swing is in its starting position (drawn back, prepareing to swing) you can counter it with a yellow strike to the saber before the arm reaches extention and it will be blocked or richocette'd. This is also true against staff/dualies, although the timing has to be more precice as does your aim. my 2 cents _______________ *Sigh* Married to Mirael D'kana, Former master to Shangri Stomwind and Crash D'Kana, Owner of Gil-Galad's 100th post, Khâ D'Kana's 700th post, and friend to just about everyone |
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Ecks - Student
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The same for me. The staff users, I find, block slightly more slowly (could be that I'm lucky.) That gives me time to side swing with red through the head, doing massive damage. Against duals, I use this tactic as well, although some dual masters ARE JUST SO HARD TO HIT. Not to mention in MP damage, the side swing is virtually unblockable. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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When I duel a staffer I notice I do WAY better with red. (I prefer yellow and use it most of teh time against other single saber players) When I use yellow against a staffer, my shots just bounce off if I dont get in a prefectly clean shot, whcih can be hard. If I use red I can jsut right side swing ad run circles around them with a little dodging I can almost always make it a close match. Also my red swings just go right through my oppents like nothing and connect with the body a lot. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Yes Sauce, that's called "laming" |
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Sauce - =^.^= 
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Jaina D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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Quote: i don't have twitch reflexes, so it's very hard for me to exploit openings. Red suits my style way better, since I have time to think out the move, and then aim, rather than just twitch click as I see an opening. I'm the opposite...i often lose patience with the slowness of red (especially when people run away ), so using twitch reflex works for me _______________ INTP |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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In your dreams, scissored guy! |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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