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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Yeah, as a few of you might've noticed, I've been into demonology a whole lot the past few weeks, and that of course leads to - satanism! I personally find this subject very interesting, and was thinking about loaning some books on this over at my local library.. perhaps even the Satanic Bible, if I could be bothered, just to see how that compares to the "regular" Bible. Now, in my opinion, several of the "truths" taught by satanism certainly make a lot of sense, but what about you peeps? Anyone else think it's one of the more applicable religions in every day life? PS: Please, if you're a Christian (or of anyother religious group, for that matter), please don't bring quotes from your religions book into this. This is for pure discussion of satanism. ![]() EDIT: Oh, btw, I'm mainly referring to the Church of Satan when I say satanism, though there are various other versions of the religion. This post was edited by Jacen Aratan on Apr 27 2005 06:52pm. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: I just figured you might have more solid answers seeing as how you said you were interested in the subject and started the thread. You even mentioned that someone else was very interested in this subject, but no body seems to have any informative information. With that, it was nice having this conversation. If I ever bump into a Satanist, I'll discuss it with them. Thanks for the answers anyway. ![]() I never said I knew all about it, only that I was interested in it. And, eh, I don't get your fallacy.. |
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Quote: When I was confirmed in the catholic church i chose Lucifer as my name. Then I left the church. It is nothing more than another group of men trying to opress people through fear. F#$KERS! Its posts like that, that are going to get religion threads banished from the JA. Show a bit more respect. Please ![]() Quote: Okay, I'll use a personal example from my own life. Swimming in local pools in areas where you have gangbanger wannabe's and local street thugs is a sure fire way to catch an attitude fast. You can't breathe around these people, swim around these people, and someone or something help you if you accidently bump into one of them. They'll splash you in your face, get in your face, and verbally assault you hoping you'll say the wrong thing so they can make a pair of slippers out of you. Now let's just say you make the mistake of bumping into one of these individuals and he turns around like, "Yo, WTF. You want to get your @ss beat?!?" Let's say it gets a bit more physical as him and his boys start pushing you about and splashing you. Now an eye for an eye theory, you would by splashing and pushing and yelling right back at him and his friends which would turn into a large fight where someone is going to get severly hurt if not killed. Not giving you enemy's your other cheek would fall right under this type of response from a Satanist as I see it. Surely these are people your not going to like and how can you just ignore them then? Isn't that giving them the other cheek? This is where my confusion comes in because half of what has been said says they should act while other comments say they should just ignore them and don't start any trouble. When a volatile situation like this occures, it can be looked at in two ways. 1 - These individuals are starting the trouble so a Satanist lashing back wouldn't be considered causing the trouble. 2 - These individuals are potentially a bad situation and any negetive response towards them would start trouble because (as I have) if you play it cool you get out of the situation before it becomes uncontrolable. What has been presented so far about this religion just doesn't seem to add up yet to me. That's all. Now that I can understand from growing up in a bad neiborhood, and being involved in...other bad things. I can see where you would get confused. I admit the "Satanism" ways do seem to contradict each other. I think basic common sense should rule all discisions. LOL for me it would depend on how many there were. I havent let loose in a while, i might look forward to it. In my opinion, I think anyone who allows religious "ways" to determine the entire path of their lives and even dangerous situations, is ...well....how can I put this. Crazy. I think a person is born to live and should do just that. We were given certain emotions and erges for a reason. I plan on using all of mine. I think if "god" didn't want us to use or induldge in certain things then he shoulda made it so we couldn't. If I'm gonna go to hell for giving into my temptations, LOL I plan to live em up! ![]() _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON ![]() This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on May 02 2005 05:49pm. |
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Just like any other religious book, the answers you get depend on interpretation. Passages may have different meaning to different people. Satanism has rather less accessible information what other major religions, i will give you a shout if i find out more definitive answers though ![]() _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge ![]() Owner Of Virtue's 1000th profile comment, Mr. Doobie's 1000th profile comment, Gradius' 2500th comment, xAnAtOs' 2500th comment, Rosered's 1500th comment, Laziana's 900th comment, Scythus' 500th comment and Echuu's 100th comment |
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I just figured you might have more solid answers seeing as how you said you were interested in the subject and started the thread. You even mentioned that someone else was very interested in this subject, but no body seems to have any informative information. With that, it was nice having this conversation. If I ever bump into a Satanist, I'll discuss it with them. Thanks for the answers anyway. ![]() _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. ![]() |
Jacen Aratan - Student |
Koyi-> HW is pretty on target with this: Quote: DUring my life I get to know alot of people. Some I like...some I don't. I ignore the ones I dislike..generally just stay as far way from them as I can. The ones I love get my time and energy undivided. If Tommy did steal something from your lunchbox, you'd want revenge, and he'd be an enemy... but once you'd had your revenge, he would just be another one to stay away from, and dislike. If you talk to someone, and they don't make a good first impression on you, you'll most likely just avoid speaking with them anymore. PS: That's just my interpretation of it, I wouldn't know, I'm not a satanist. |
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Quote: When I was confirmed in the catholic church i chose Lucifer as my name. Then I left the church. It is nothing more than another group of men trying to opress people through fear. F#$KERS! Yes please dont post things like this. This does not contribute positively in any way to this thread and can be viewed as disrespectful to the people who believe in this. Thank you. ![]() _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Quote: I'm interested in knowing how people select a religion like this to begin with. Bare with me now. Especially in the United States, religion runs pretty strong in certain areas and in certain people. At some point in your life or another, you hear about God through people like Jehova's or Mormans or evagelical people who want to share their faith in a discussion with you. Of course from there, Satan is mentioned and discussed and possibly researched at some point. Even at Halloween you'll see people dressed (with the horns and pitch-forks) like "Satan" which will introduce you to this character or idea. I know some areas this may not be the case, but at what point does someone choose this religion? I know from a very young child I've been taught that Satan is bad so it makes my skin crawl just from upbringing to even discuss this, but I'm actually interest in their forms of scriptures, ordinances, doctrines, practices, and ceremonies. I think that it is chosen because it is the easy and pleasuring way. It is very easy to come by, and go into. In fact, in the USA in the 60s/70s, you would hear about it all the time, maybe just indirectly. Satanism was set up around a doctorine of: "Do what thou wilt." This, translated into a popular saying, song line, and magazine title: "If it feels good, do it." So it's really not hard to get into. Quote: I do not really believe in the bible because its been changed so much over the centuries. Not to stray too far from the topic, but the not one verse in the Bible has changed since it was written (to the closest possible translation). What has changed is how people interperate it. That's why you end up with so many religions like Jewdism, Christian, Catholism, Mormon, ect.Quote: When I was confirmed in the catholic church i chose Lucifer as my name. Then I left the church. It is nothing more than another group of men trying to opress people through fear. F#$KERS! Please try to refrain from posts like this. I'm sure that this thread was intended for nothing of the sort. _______________ Top ten reasons to get a better computer...|My fan |
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I love all people equally no matter their religious views. I also love cake, but I only love strawberry cake. I am a cake racist. Down with white and brown cakes. I only love yummy red cakes. With red icing. And red candles on them. * Edited by DJ-Censormatic. Play nice in the religion threads. * _______________ I have seen EP3 now I can die happy and complete. Happy Star Wars Completion day everyone!!!! This comment was edited by DJ Sith on May 01 2005 09:28am. |
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Quote: Yes I understand that part, but how can you ignore people you don't like and have an eye for an eye attitude? Okay, let us look at it in a different way. Quote: A quote on Satanism: "You cannot love everyone; it is ridiculous to think you can. If you love everyone and everything you lose your natural powers of selection and wind up being a pretty poor judge of character and quality. If anything is used too freely it loses its true meaning. Therefore, the Satanist believes you should love strongly and completely those who deserve your love, but never turn the other cheek to your enemy!" Anton LaVey Now in order to determine whether someone deserves your love or is your enemy, you will probably need some type of action or reaction to go off of. First off, how do Satanist feel towards everyday people walking down the street? People they never met before. Do they love them because there are no reasons to consider them enemies or are they enemies because there are no reasons to waist love on them? Is there a grey area in which people are just people until they are to be considered friend or foe? Let’s just consider that people are people and must do something in order to be loved or hated and let’s say Tommy steals a Snickers bar out of your lunchbox and eats it right in front of you during lunch and school. Now I would assume that Tommy is now an enemy because he has acted in a disrespectful manner towards you by violating your personal belongings. Now I’m also assuming that since Tommy is an enemy, he would also be considered someone you don’t like. Tommy now effectively has become your enemy that you don’t like. Here’s where I’m confused. You say that they ignore people they don’t like so I would think that even though Tommy upset you by stealing part of your lunch that you would ignore him, but being your enemy you would want revenge because of the whole eye for an eye theory. Would this be limited to stealing part of Tommy’s meal when you had a chance or would you find anything/something else fitting as a repayment? Once payment is received, would Tommy still be an enemy, someone you dislike, both, or since you’ve been repaid would he be forgiven? Is there room for forgiveness in a Satanist’s lifestyle? After all, not turning the other cheek and the eye for an eye theory almost makes forgiveness impossible. These are the questions I’m diving at because I don’t see how ignoring and revenge sit hand in hand plus nobody really seems to be discussing too much about this religion/practice or it’s writing and lessons making it harder to understand and to learn. Thank you for your responses ahead of time. Now I can't speak for the eye for an eye part of this. Mainly because I can't remeber that being a major part of the idea behind Satanism. What I will comment on is people in general..or rather..the diffrences of loved ones/enemies/others...according to me anyways. DUring my life I get to know alot of people. Some I like...some I don't. I ignore the ones I dislike..generally just stay as far way from them as I can. The ones I love get my time and energy undivided. Now..as for the average joe on the street. I really don't care much about them to be honest. I don't know them...and have as such not a connection to them. Every so often I take pity on someone in a problem and help them out. But generaly I don't care much. Anyways..Thats my take on it. _______________ ::Nothing wrong with a little shooting.....as long as the right people get shot:: |
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maybe it means to take vengence, and once honor is satisfied to ignore them _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge ![]() Owner Of Virtue's 1000th profile comment, Mr. Doobie's 1000th profile comment, Gradius' 2500th comment, xAnAtOs' 2500th comment, Rosered's 1500th comment, Laziana's 900th comment, Scythus' 500th comment and Echuu's 100th comment |
Koyi Donita - Student ![]() |
Yes I understand that part, but how can you ignore people you don't like and have an eye for an eye attitude? Okay, let us look at it in a different way. Quote: A quote on Satanism: "You cannot love everyone; it is ridiculous to think you can. If you love everyone and everything you lose your natural powers of selection and wind up being a pretty poor judge of character and quality. If anything is used too freely it loses its true meaning. Therefore, the Satanist believes you should love strongly and completely those who deserve your love, but never turn the other cheek to your enemy!" Anton LaVey Now in order to determine whether someone deserves your love or is your enemy, you will probably need some type of action or reaction to go off of. First off, how do Satanist feel towards everyday people walking down the street? People they never met before. Do they love them because there are no reasons to consider them enemies or are they enemies because there are no reasons to waist love on them? Is there a grey area in which people are just people until they are to be considered friend or foe? Let’s just consider that people are people and must do something in order to be loved or hated and let’s say Tommy steals a Snickers bar out of your lunchbox and eats it right in front of you during lunch and school. Now I would assume that Tommy is now an enemy because he has acted in a disrespectful manner towards you by violating your personal belongings. Now I’m also assuming that since Tommy is an enemy, he would also be considered someone you don’t like. Tommy now effectively has become your enemy that you don’t like. Here’s where I’m confused. You say that they ignore people they don’t like so I would think that even though Tommy upset you by stealing part of your lunch that you would ignore him, but being your enemy you would want revenge because of the whole eye for an eye theory. Would this be limited to stealing part of Tommy’s meal when you had a chance or would you find anything/something else fitting as a repayment? Once payment is received, would Tommy still be an enemy, someone you dislike, both, or since you’ve been repaid would he be forgiven? Is there room for forgiveness in a Satanist’s lifestyle? After all, not turning the other cheek and the eye for an eye theory almost makes forgiveness impossible. These are the questions I’m diving at because I don’t see how ignoring and revenge sit hand in hand plus nobody really seems to be discussing too much about this religion/practice or it’s writing and lessons making it harder to understand and to learn. Thank you for your responses ahead of time. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. ![]() |
Jacen Aratan - Student |
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Quote: It's basically just an "ignore people you don't like" and "an eye for an eye" theory, but without starting crap (officially; I can't deny that perhaps some of them will start trouble, but that goes for all religions). I don't understand this at all. Your saying that they practice ignoring people they don't like, an eye for an eye theory, and as stated earlier never giving their enemies the other cheek. Eye for an eye is taking what is taken and not giving the other cheek is not being passive about a bad situation or not making yourself to suffer worse on ones behalf or attack. How therefore can you ignore or even not start trouble? If this is a real religion where I would imagine that they want you to follow their forms of scriptures, teachings, and practices, then being passive or not starting trouble doesn't seem to fit into some of the practices being mentioned. I'm confused. ![]() You're misunderstanding me. How can it be "starting trouble", if you take revenge? "Starting trouble" implies you're the first to do it. |
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Maybe the Church of Satan should rename to the Church of Boys-trying-to-be-men. ![]() |
Koyi Donita - Student ![]() |
Okay, I'll use a personal example from my own life. Swimming in local pools in areas where you have gangbanger wannabe's and local street thugs is a sure fire way to catch an attitude fast. You can't breathe around these people, swim around these people, and someone or something help you if you accidently bump into one of them. They'll splash you in your face, get in your face, and verbally assault you hoping you'll say the wrong thing so they can make a pair of slippers out of you. Now let's just say you make the mistake of bumping into one of these individuals and he turns around like, "Yo, WTF. You want to get your @ss beat?!?" Let's say it gets a bit more physical as him and his boys start pushing you about and splashing you. Now an eye for an eye theory, you would by splashing and pushing and yelling right back at him and his friends which would turn into a large fight where someone is going to get severly hurt if not killed. Not giving you enemy's your other cheek would fall right under this type of response from a Satanist as I see it. Surely these are people your not going to like and how can you just ignore them then? Isn't that giving them the other cheek? This is where my confusion comes in because half of what has been said says they should act while other comments say they should just ignore them and don't start any trouble. When a volatile situation like this occures, it can be looked at in two ways. 1 - These individuals are starting the trouble so a Satanist lashing back wouldn't be considered causing the trouble. 2 - These individuals are potentially a bad situation and any negetive response towards them would start trouble because (as I have) if you play it cool you get out of the situation before it becomes uncontrolable. What has been presented so far about this religion just doesn't seem to add up yet to me. That's all. ![]() _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. ![]() |
Vasper Ba'xian - Student ![]() |
Quote: I don't understand this at all. Your saying that they practice ignoring people they don't like, an eye for an eye theory, and as stated earlier never giving their enemies the other cheek. Eye for an eye is taking what is taken and not giving the other cheek is not being passive about a bad situation or not making yourself to suffer worse on ones behalf or attack. How therefore can you ignore or even not start trouble? If this is a real religion where I would imagine that they want you to follow their forms of scriptures, teachings, and practices, then being passive or not starting trouble doesn't seem to fit into some of the practices being mentioned. I'm confused. Sorry M8 but you lost me somewhere in there. Might wanna thro in some detail or examples. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON ![]() |
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Quote: It's basically just an "ignore people you don't like" and "an eye for an eye" theory, but without starting crap (officially; I can't deny that perhaps some of them will start trouble, but that goes for all religions). I don't understand this at all. Your saying that they practice ignoring people they don't like, an eye for an eye theory, and as stated earlier never giving their enemies the other cheek. Eye for an eye is taking what is taken and not giving the other cheek is not being passive about a bad situation or not making yourself to suffer worse on ones behalf or attack. How therefore can you ignore or even not start trouble? If this is a real religion where I would imagine that they want you to follow their forms of scriptures, teachings, and practices, then being passive or not starting trouble doesn't seem to fit into some of the practices being mentioned. I'm confused. ![]() _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. ![]() |
Moriarti - Student |
Bah satan, Baphomets better ![]() _______________ Vampire boxing nord |
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as far as satan evolving from how he's explained in the bible (where he's really called Lucifer, the light-bearer, and was one of God's Chosen until he chose to rebel and offer man "happiness" in exchange for man's freedom of choice), from what I know of the origins of Christianity Satan's red devily-ness comes from ancient Roman and Greek pagan mythology. Satan was connected with the titans and giants and all pre-Olympian gods (the Olympian gods being Zeus, Athena, etc.)... the titans and whatnot were connected strongly with the earth and it's various aspects, including volcanoes/lava/fire/"hell"/Hades. so yeah, that's all i got for this thread ![]() _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me This comment was edited by doobie on Apr 29 2005 09:17am. |
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Quote: Not sure if your directing that at me vasper, but like I said: I wasn't directing it towards anyone. Justa General statement. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON ![]() |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Yeah, Moby is right on with what I'd like to see here. Yay-ness! ![]() Well, as for satanism (mind you, we're still talking the Church of Satan, not a couple of 18-year olds killing goats in South America) and morals, I think a good thing is that while they don't necessarily agree with everything about morals, they still stick to the rules, and don't condone crime and the likes. It's basically just an "ignore people you don't like" and "an eye for an eye" theory, but without starting crap (officially; I can't deny that perhaps some of them will start trouble, but that goes for all religions). PS: No, I didn't think you were saying all satanists are criminal or anything like that, Moby. Just to make that clear. ![]() |
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Quote: Do you feel the need to be right when it comes to religion? Satanism is just another belief, like Catholocism, Jedism, and all the other ism's. And all may not be liked but should be respected. Not sure if your directing that at me vasper, but like I said: Quote: And while I disagree with satanism as a whole, I'll die for your right to embrace it. The thread called for opinions on the subject, that is what i offered, leaving all biblical references out of it. Jacen can do whatever he wants, as can everyone else. ![]() -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Quote: Actually, the Christian devil is actually described to be more like Jesus Christ then anything else. So much so that he will be sitting in the house of God being worshipped as God. I wonder where the horns, red skin, and pitch-forks really came from in the first place. I believe Satan's image developed over time due to his affiliation with dragons, snakes and other things. If you look at Very early art, you will see Satan in his original true form, an Angel. As for Satanism, For me the bottom line is this: I beileve in "A Higher Power". A reason for the Sun, Stars, and Universe. I do not really believe in the bible because its been changed so much over the centuries. The Church has become more of a political party now days than a haven for the faithful. I think people are too worried about what other people believe. So this guy pratices Satanism. What should anyone care? Why would anyone loose sleep over it? Is it because it makes you question your own beliefs? Do you feel the need to be right when it comes to religion? Satanism is just another belief, like Catholocism, Jedism, and all the other ism's. And all may not be liked but should be respected. In my opinion. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON ![]() |
DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student ![]() |
Well, from my study on satanism it really does focus on the whole, "I AM" theory. Self reliance, needing nothing from no one. Saying YES to indulgence, and to the shaking off of values that restrict mankind rather than expand it. Satanism, through love of the flesh and affirmation of the Human spirit embraces self-life. Satanists are told, and automatically find that they agree, that their own lives are worth preserving. If you are going to talk about this, then you need people consider the source. But lets look at the source of mainstream satanism. This started in the USA at least with anton szandor lavey. Here is a link to info about him. You can all come to your own decisions and opinions of this man. "Life is the one great indulgence; death the one great abstinence. To a person who is satisfied with his earthly existence, life is like a party; and no one likes to leave a good party. By the same token, if a person is enjoying himself here on earth he will not so readily give up this life for the promise of an afterlife about which he knows nothing." Anton LaVey, The Satanic Bible: Book of Lucifer 10:para6 Despite the final and fatal come down, enjoyment is the point of life and if you have skills you almost definately enjoy using them, so the artist should express himself in art, the diabolicist should blaspheme, the singer should sing and all the while we should cultivate our strengths and mind our weaknesses in the appropriate manner of the strategist and creative self-realizer. Sounds fun right? Well I guarantee that it is. It is the easy road. The one that makes SENSE and appeals to SENSES. The WIDE road, easy to walk down. And while I disagree with satanism as a whole, I'll die for your right to embrace it. .02 -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Apr 28 2005 06:09pm. |
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This sounds very interesting, and I can see why it was started... I'm very keen to learn more. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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