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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Yeah, as a few of you might've noticed, I've been into demonology a whole lot the past few weeks, and that of course leads to - satanism! I personally find this subject very interesting, and was thinking about loaning some books on this over at my local library.. perhaps even the Satanic Bible, if I could be bothered, just to see how that compares to the "regular" Bible. Now, in my opinion, several of the "truths" taught by satanism certainly make a lot of sense, but what about you peeps? Anyone else think it's one of the more applicable religions in every day life? PS: Please, if you're a Christian (or of anyother religious group, for that matter), please don't bring quotes from your religions book into this. This is for pure discussion of satanism.  EDIT: Oh, btw, I'm mainly referring to the Church of Satan when I say satanism, though there are various other versions of the religion. This post was edited by Jacen Aratan on Apr 27 2005 06:52pm. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Well, from my study on satanism it really does focus on the whole, "I AM" theory. Self reliance, needing nothing from no one. Saying YES to indulgence, and to the shaking off of values that restrict mankind rather than expand it. Satanism, through love of the flesh and affirmation of the Human spirit embraces self-life. Satanists are told, and automatically find that they agree, that their own lives are worth preserving. If you are going to talk about this, then you need people consider the source. But lets look at the source of mainstream satanism. This started in the USA at least with anton szandor lavey. Here is a link to info about him. You can all come to your own decisions and opinions of this man. "Life is the one great indulgence; death the one great abstinence. To a person who is satisfied with his earthly existence, life is like a party; and no one likes to leave a good party. By the same token, if a person is enjoying himself here on earth he will not so readily give up this life for the promise of an afterlife about which he knows nothing." Anton LaVey, The Satanic Bible: Book of Lucifer 10:para6 Despite the final and fatal come down, enjoyment is the point of life and if you have skills you almost definately enjoy using them, so the artist should express himself in art, the diabolicist should blaspheme, the singer should sing and all the while we should cultivate our strengths and mind our weaknesses in the appropriate manner of the strategist and creative self-realizer. Sounds fun right? Well I guarantee that it is. It is the easy road. The one that makes SENSE and appeals to SENSES. The WIDE road, easy to walk down. And while I disagree with satanism as a whole, I'll die for your right to embrace it. .02 -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Apr 28 2005 06:09pm. |
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Kainz00r - Jedi Knight 
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This sounds very interesting, and I can see why it was started... I'm very keen to learn more. _______________ Fervent supporter of duelling - leave a message if you would like to battle! Married to Masta. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
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Quote: That was posted on Ken's prof because I know he's interested in that stuff; paranoia isn't appreciated. You left out the part where certain individuals tightened up their abs laughing so hardly about how this would piss me off and that isn't paranoia when people inform me of this.  Huh? I'm sorry, but I really didn't understand that.. :s |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Quote: You left out the part where certain individuals tightened up their abs laughing so hardly about how this would piss me off and that isn't paranoia when people inform me of this. Maybe I'm reading this the wrong way, but if this is pointed at me (because the profile in question is mine), then be assured I'm not laughing. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Yeah, hey, I'm sorry about that if that upsets anybody. I don't know if the shortened version of that name upsets that perticular group or not, but I didn't write it with that intension.  *edit*This is also nothing new, but my spelling sucks too. Once again, sorry. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Aron - Retired 
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just because I don't ever reply to these doesn't mean I don't watch them: Quote: ....you hear about God through people like Jehova's... This is not ment as a flame or me acting like a smartass; also, I won't even bother to explain why I respond to this (you may ask me, or figure it out yourself), but it's Jehovah's Whitnesses. Not Jehovah's. Again, this is really REALLY not ment in a "smartass" way  |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: That was posted on Ken's prof because I know he's interested in that stuff; paranoia isn't appreciated. You left out the part where certain individuals tightened up their abdominal muscles laughing so hard about how this would piss me off and that isn't paranoia when people inform me of this. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: Interesting topic Jacen.. Anyway, I must point out to all the people going *GASP* atm, Satanism in the form that Jacen is probably talking about (Church of Satan) has actually very little to do with the Christian devil with pitch-forks, hell and any quasi-deity stuff. Actually, the Christian devil is actually described to be more like Jesus Christ then anything else. So much so that he will be sitting in the house of God being worshipped as God. I wonder where the horns, red skin, and pitch-forks really came from in the first place.  Quote: A quote on Satanism: "You cannot love everyone; it is ridiculous to think you can. If you love everyone and everything you lose your natural powers of selection and wind up being a pretty poor judge of character and quality. If anything is used too freely it loses its true meaning. Therefore, the Satanist believes you should love strongly and completely those who deserve your love, but never turn the other cheek to your enemy!" Anton LaVey I find this interesting because it's taking a lesson from another Biblical book and twisting them 180. Now I'm not saying this to piss anyone off or anything and I eagerly await more passages, but from what I'm reading so far Satanism sounds like good Christians gone bad. I'm interested in knowing how people select a religion like this to begin with. Bare with me now. Especially in the United States, religion runs pretty strong in certain areas and in certain people. At some point in your life or another, you hear about God through people like Jehova's or Mormans or evagelical people who want to share their faith in a discussion with you. Of course from there, Satan is mentioned and discussed and possibly researched at some point. Even at Halloween you'll see people dressed (with the horns and pitch-forks) like "Satan" which will introduce you to this character or idea. I know some areas this may not be the case, but at what point does someone choose this religion? I know from a very young child I've been taught that Satan is bad so it makes my skin crawl just from upbringing to even discuss this, but I'm actually interest in their forms of scriptures, ordinances, doctrines, practices, and ceremonies. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Quote: I might be wrong here, but I think the Jediism thread was made as a joke, after all those other 'ism' threads. Precisely. It was a call to everyone to lighten up, already...a call that was obviously ignored since it got closed. Sheesh. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
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Quote: The Bhuddist etc threads were opened out of mock and spite... Then why was the Jediism thread closed? Because it was a joke? |
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xAnAtOs - Student |
I might be wrong here, but I think the Jediism thread was made as a joke, after all those other 'ism' threads. _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Quote: The Bhuddist etc threads were opened out of mock and spite... Then why was the Jediism thread closed? Because I don't want this place to turn into a religious firing squad. We'll see how it goes with these 2, and if all goes well we can try other ones. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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JavaGuy - Student
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Quote: The Bhuddist etc threads were opened out of mock and spite... Then why was the Jediism thread closed? _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: from a christan point of veiw, i find this interesting. because Satanism isnt horrific, or betrayal its just anothers belief. and i would like to learn, just to learn of course (peace love and understanding) Yeah, that's exactly it, just like what Cas said. Satanism - in a wider sense - may involve occult stuff, but the Church of Satan doesn't. Satan is only used as a symbol there. As for DJ, I think that might have something to do with the religion itself - seeing as how it's based around the self, it's prolly more likely to attract arrogant bastards. Quote: When... Quote: http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=12166 is left on someone's profile with nothing else before it or after it, it kinda makes you wonder why it was posted there to begin with. That was posted on Ken's prof because I know he's interested in that stuff; paranoia isn't appreciated. And for everybody else; thanks for showing me that you care for freedom of religion! No, really! Thanks, DJ. This comment was edited by Jacen Aratan on Apr 28 2005 07:19am. |
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JavaGuy - Student
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And the Jediism thread is closed on the Jedi Academy site? _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council
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The Bhuddist etc threads were opened out of mock and spite, but I'll leave this one open. If this turns into a pissing match then the bible and satanism threads are getting locked. I find the Church of Satan rather interesting. It seems much more down to earth than what I've seen about christianity. It seems to put the emphasis more onto the person than on a deity or faith in a deity. Much more appealing. Now if only they could be a little nicer. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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So He can talk about Satanism, but The Bhuddist threat is closed... _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Jeramia Adept - Student 
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from a christan point of veiw, i find this interesting. because Satanism isnt horrific, or betrayal its just anothers belief. and i would like to learn, just to learn of course (peace love and understanding) _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius |
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Casual - Student 
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Interesting topic Jacen.. Anyway, I must point out to all the people going *GASP* atm, Satanism in the form that Jacen is probably talking about (Church of Satan) has actually very little to do with the Christian devil with pitch-forks, hell and any quasi-deity stuff. It's actually considered a pre-Christian form of paganism, in which the believer doesn't believe in any living deity. Satanism acknowledges personal power, and is in a way a religion of the self. Also, Satanism counters Christianity in the way that no "redeemer" exists, we are all our own redeemers, and only through our own actions are the paths we take resolved. Satan is considered a force of nature, and that is one of the reasons it has similarities to Pagan beliefs. A quote on Satanism: "You cannot love everyone; it is ridiculous to think you can. If you love everyone and everything you lose your natural powers of selection and wind up being a pretty poor judge of character and quality. If anything is used too freely it loses its true meaning. Therefore, the Satanist believes you should love strongly and completely those who deserve your love, but never turn the other cheek to your enemy!" Anton LaVey Jacen is right, this actually IS an interesting subject, since this form of Satanism is far from the black masses and felling of gravestones, but more like an egocentric philosophy that has qualities to which every person subscribes to in one way or another. On a more personal note, I don't subscribe to many of the elements that Church of Satan tries to manifest, but I do find this topic interesting and hope that it will create discussion. -Simo _______________ Thanks to the human heart by which we live, Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, and fears, To me the meanest flower that blows can give Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Does this "spirituality" bring us respect ? If yes, I will just ignore this topic as I'm not really interested in it. If not as the JA is a respectfull place, it will maybe be better to let this topic be forgotten. i think is should be treated as the bible thread is Quote: I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. so we can explore these ideas and learn more _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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its feasible, a navy sailor in the uk won the right to practise satanism while serving on a ship as long as it didnt interfere with the ship's military functions. http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/24/uk.devilworship/ _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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<3 _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Apr 27 2005 08:12pm. |
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Khâ D'Kana - Student 
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I don't know anything about it and don't want to. But I think there is a question that has to be asked about it... Does this "spirituality" bring us respect ? If yes, I will just ignore this topic as I'm not really interested in it. If not as the JA is a respectfull place, it will maybe be better to let this topic be forgotten. my 0.02 € -Khâ D'Kana _______________ In light of day, nor dark of night, no evil shall escape our sight. Proud member of the D'Kana family |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Quote: *waits for the fireworks* *cough* _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider |
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*waits for the fireworks* |
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