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Shannon -SC- - Student  |
First of all I don't want to call any names here, and point the finger, but read through it and think about it!
Today I was the first class i held, after we got rid of the point system. I was really looking forward to this class, since i thought there will be only ppl who really want to learn what i have to show em. (Force powers for beginners) So the problem was this, first we (JAT's) have no admin powers on the NL server, secondly some think they don't have to behave, since they won't get any point at all. Most of you know this is true, but it's sad. Don't get me wrong I like teaching and i is fun doing so. But i fu***** hate it, if some idiots spoil the whole experience for the others. It takes out the fun for me and for the other studentns, and thats the point where i take this personally. This whole game and a huge part of the JA is about having fun. If some brightass takes the fun out for others, by not behaving the way he should, he has lost any right for me. Next time I will keep track of those who keep bugging me/other students while classes and simply deny them any access to my classes until they proove themself worthy again. I know i held a theroetical class, and listening to someone for half an hour can be boring. I say CAN! I mean why did they come anyway? I've told everyone they are free to leave anytime they want if they expected something else... I mean HEY! U took the class because U wanted to, no one forced you to do so. If you don't like being told what to do, stick to puplic servers, or stay in JA and keep with duels. -a pissed Shannon P.s. What are your thoughts, experiences on this whole thing? I know on other servers you can just kick/sleep em, but I don't get the point why we do have to do this. See i work with mentaly and physiclay disabled kids all the week and sometimes on the weekends too, and even some of them have more 'social intelligence' than some studends here. _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. This post was edited by Shannon -SC- on Mar 12 2003 03:17am. |
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Shannon -SC- - Student 
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fiZZ you know i work with kids for a living and just leaving a class won't solve the problem. Not only that i'm punishing those who want to learn with it too, but some of the troublemakers are beyond redemption. Or they plainly do not see that they are doing something wrong. Sometimes i can't help but compare them with the kids i work with
(I work with disabled kids both mentaly and physicaly), some of them can't see their errors too, they might hurt me, themself others, but just don't understand what they did. And there is no way to teach somethin if the other part is not willing to learn. _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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well, as earlier said, I dont consider it unfair if the JAT leaves. either the troublemakers are to leave or you leave. As Shannon, I work a lot with kids, but on a voluntarily basis.
And if they dont behave, I kick them out, but if they really piss me off, I leave. So they have plenty of time to think what they've done wrong. I dont want the students to be mad at these who they believe are the troublemakers, but to build up a sense of team-ability. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Iori Yagami - Student 
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i know,
actually, i don't really want the tag (that much haha, though i would be lying if i didn't like the respect it commands too). yeah, i would like to have my own pads. don't really want to teach classes. but i still think a goal is important. not just the tag. it makes people behave, and have something to strive for, and be rewarded for the level of skill they have attained. also, to quote you, self-development comes hand-in-hand with the ranks. to be nominated you have to show good nature, and the will to learn outside of fighting and game skills. Schools, Universities, Professional careers all require to some degree a record of education. whether it be a list of work experience, or grades. people strive for these, and to simply dismiss the necessity for an award of achievement in furthering and encouraging education is very ignorant. _______________ May the ping be with you This comment was edited by Iori Yagami on Mar 12 2003 05:13am. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Your goal should be self progression and helping others.
I met a guy on the main server the other day, and we had a little chat. He was saying he deserved to be a knight. This confused me. What makes anyone think they deserve to be a knight ? They win duels alot ? They know alot about the game ? They are well known at the academy ? These points don't seem important, although do play a small part in the overall knight picture. He said he deserved to be a knight as he's been here a long time and he helps people. Some people have been here longer and have helped more people, I said. He went on to say that he jsut thought he had what it takes. I finished with a final question "What do you think you can do as a knight that you can't do now ? Gain more respect ? Get 3 letters at the end of your name so people hold you in a fame position?" He went quiet at that moment, but did say about taking padawans. I explained that I already had 3 padawans, just not officially stated on the site as thats against the rules. The way I see it, we're all the same, with exception of the councillors. The students, knights and trainers are all here to self progress, be that either through training and improvement of skill, or self satisfaction in teaching new people and helping to expand knowledge and understanding. No matter what 'rank' you are, you're just as equal as everyone else here. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side 
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Iori Yagami - Student
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ok, i feel like saying a few blunt things and make a few proposals. some will disagree with me. and don't get me wrong, i can see the other side of the arguement too and this coincides with Shannon's post on the forums.
first 1. points - promotions: when we had this, it obviously gave some of our more mischievous students an incentive to behave, and that is a good thing. it gives people a goal to work towards, i.e. promotion. I know that the JA is meant to help people play on the public servers, but to a lot of people here, it has become more than that. i guess to a lot of students here, the JA has become almost clan-like. something it does not want to be, but with a hierachy of experienced players and students this would be inevitable. I don't agree with the point system, because even though it is a simple technique to approximate experience, a lot of players (like myself) gain there skills just from playing on the servers, and not attending classes (and i assure you i am no less skilled). I think a return of the student ranks is a good idea. Perhaps increasing the difficulty of them too. All of the tests should be by nomination only. Ensuring good behaviour, and also meaning people spend more time on the servers to get to know the JATs/JAKs. It gives people a goal to attain still. Also, there is no need for scores, and people chasing for class points, and since examination is by nomination, pestering will be made clear that it 'will not work'. 2. public shaming, banning persistant pestering, class abuse, and students doing things clearly against the rules should be named on a public forum/page. again this will ensure good behaviour. and perhaps we could do the opposite as well, with a student of the month page. this is merely a warning of course, it should not go on record unless the offenders repeat it for two months in a row. and finally a ban, if it carries over for 3 months. of course, for outright prejudice and abuse, swifter and more discretionary punishment will be brought. i know this all sounds a bit regimented, but again, this sort of action will be open to appeal as well. of course everything based on evidence. hopefully there will not be too much abuse.., again, a notice board of offenders is self-policing and shaming (in a way). 3. (and finally) Rank tests Instead of people asking for tests at random times, maybe they should be conducted on ONE weekend per month. (sorry for those who work on the weekend). if you can't make it that particular weekend, then TOUGH! that's life, public exams do not change dates just for one person, and if you are that dedicated to learning, you should not be worried about waiting another month, especially if you have already been nominated. Essentially - the points are, return of ranks, no class points, tests on one weekend per month, public naming/shaming/celebrating, tests by nomination only. of course this might be hard to implement, especially in light that rules have only just changed. and new rules will have to be enforced, or people will just lose faith in the whole process. removal of ranks, now their reintroduction. Please understand, giving people something to work towards, a goal is important. and for that, i feel the rank system is important. the nomination system means that all those being tested are acknowledged to be skilled enough, and of good-nature, so failures will be reduced too. Ok ok.., no more from me, i'm just gonna sit back and listen to all the disagreement (and all the taunts that i'm undermining and discrediting the new changes) _______________ May the ping be with you |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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I agree.
most classes i have attended part of the class was wild,taunting,am-commands,it all.All at the JA should show Respect to all the JAK's JAT's and JAC's who work there butt off to teach us how to play JK2 better,they made and gave us the Academy,they could spend there time elsewhere,so give them a break. -Plo _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Mar 12 2003 03:12am. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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fizz, i've done that before. i was teaching an unofficial class on the server.. and the few people i was teaching seemed to be wasting my time on purpose. i'm not gonna go into details but, at the end i just disconnected. they asked me to teach them, i agreed, and then they went mad. when i asked them to stop they did, for about 2 minutes, then it started up again.
so shannon, i sympathize with your feelings. i know what it feels like. people just have to remember where they are, and act accordingly. i also assissted that knight trial prep class. fortunately it did not get too much out of hand. Master Lew, I want to thank you. I really admired your patience and the way you held yourself while everyone else was messing around. You were one of the few, if not the only one, who stayed still and listened, despite the mess around you. Keep it up. 
You know how in school, when the whole class is talking and the teacher tries to slip in a few words but nobody shuts up. The teacher simply stands there staring at the students, and it works. It takes a while but eventually everyone shuts up and feels bad about it. Try that. even if it takes an hour. it is a very valuable lesson to teach your students even if you didnt get to teach anything else. _______________ make install -not war This comment was edited by Bubu on Mar 12 2003 02:44am. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Fizz, that would be unfair to the students actualy there to learn (assuming there are some). |
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FaDed - Student 
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i was in shannon's force class yesterday. i witnessed every last bit of action that went on in there. three things that i want to say:
1) i am a relatively new person to the JA. i have been here just over two weeks now. in that amount of time i have witnessed both the greatest in people and the worst, namely shannon's class. i have never been so appalled by anyone's lack of discipline, respect, and moral character than what i saw yesterday. i recall moving off to the side of the matt and standing next to shannon as we watched the disruptions worsen. i don't mean to brag or make myself look better than anybody else, but i am so thankful that i have enough sense in me to not participate in such activites. 2) shannon, monty, i am so proud of how you guys handled the situation. i am inspired by your patience when things started to get out of hand. watching you guys take care of things made me want to be a JAK/JAT that much more. i already have a love for teaching, but seeing you guys handle yourselves so well only strengthened my desire to do so. i live for the challenge. so i just wanted to say thank you to the both of you.
3) as for the rest of us, let this be a lesson to us all. do your best to listen to your superiors and try not to be a disruption. the JA is a learning enviroment much like a school. there is a time for learning, a time to teach, a time to work, and a time to have fun. only that this school provides a complete and seperate for you to have fun and make merry. we should be thankful for the facilities that the JA provides us because well, they certainly don't have to. This comment was edited by FaDed on Mar 12 2003 01:17pm. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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hm here's up what I just came up with: it you the class is starting to act silly, why doesn't the JAT just leave ?
If the students aint smart enough to understand whats going on, teaching is pointless, anyway. and kalheka: yo we'Ve been in one or two classes together, and as far as I can remember it, everybody apart from the two of us kept acting mad/silly. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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I agree there are limits but you can't really expect everyone to sit quietly, not move, and pay attention, especially while they are watching others. In the hour and a half Knight Prep, I fought twice, for a few minutes at a time.
There's a fine line between having fun(more important to me than learning, but nowhere near as important as respect) and disrupting others that a lot of people don't realize. I'm the class clown in real life *shudders* so it's kinda tough for me to just shut up when I need to, but I usually manage. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. This comment was edited by MINDofSIN on Mar 11 2003 09:19pm. |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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Im sorry if I made anyone's class experience unpleasent or un-fun for them. And as far as the last Knight Prep class, a lot of people were having fun with the taunt that says "Your Mother"
If I participated in disturbing anyone else I'm truly sorry. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Master Lew - Student 
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I attended the last Knight Preparation Class and we had the same problem with discipline. I would have expected more from J-men than what was demonstrated and yes, all that were enrolled in the class were J-Men. This experience has left me wondering about the caliber of some of our members at the Academy. I hope those people rethink why they are here and what respect means. _______________ Brick Assassin for Hire Here, have a brick! 
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Kalheka - Student 
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I've been to a number of classes and I must say that the behavior of other students is a constant disruption to me.
I may be more sensitive to it than others, but this isn't a new problem to me. I don't know if it's gotten worse or not, but I know that I have been dealing with it all along. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Arcuss - Student 
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Shannon I know how you feel and it angers me as well. Just yesterday I went into the classes server to ask a few folks, who had failed to check the classes page and see that La Magras class was off, to please leave the server. After a few mumblings about JATs canceling classes, and a reassurance from me that it's not always like this,and that JATs needed time once in a while away from teaching, I was asked if I would teach. I was a bit unsure at first if this was a good idea,but In the end I decided that I would give it a try as I plan to start a class in the near future so this would be good practice.
Ok I didn't have any class plan laid out so I was flying by the seat of my pants for this. There were only like 5 or 6 students so I thought I could keep a good handle on things, and I did my best to try and teach something I thought would be helpful. In the beginning everything seemed ok. I showed them the things I wanted them to practice and had them partner up,and things seemed to be going well. The next thing I know the 2 people that begged me to do a class in the first place are off to the side doing something else that had nothing to do with what I was trying to teach. To make matters worse it was right around that time that a fellow Knight of all people entered the mix and began distracting the class with his own bit of tom foolery. He comes in gets people doing the whole saber twirling thing then abruptly leaves, leaving me to deal with two ungrateful students who have decided that a silly parlor trick was more important to practice than the lesson at hand. This was the point where I gave up. Why try to teach people that don't want to learn? It's pointless. I admit some of this may have been my fault as I wasn't 100% prepare to teach a class. However the biggest problem we are facing lately is a total lack of respect. The JATs/JAKs don't have to teach you anything,you should be happy they are here to try and help you out. If you are bored with the class LEAVE the server,no one is forcing you to stay. Think about the others around you that may actually want to try and learn,you are ruining their experience as well. If you want to take classes to improve your game then at least pay attention to the lesson at hand. Just in case you're new and don't know it yet RESPECT is the most important part of the JA experience if you don't have any don't waste your time and ours. Just stay on the public server and your clan servers where your disrespect may be considered good taste. There was at least on positive thing about the whole experience,and this is the only time in my rant that I'll name names. I want to thank Braxiss for trying to take something from what I was teaching,and for your patients with your partner,as well as my poor attempt at holding a class. If the others would have been as receptive and respectful as you it would have turned out much better despite my unpreparedness. I'll end my rant here,and if you think I sound a bit bitter you should have seen the unedited version. :arcuss: This comment was edited by Arcuss on Mar 11 2003 07:48pm. |
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underhill - Student 
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I'm real sorry to hear you had a crap time. I think it was the class I had to unenroll from, so I'm actually glad I wasn't able to go, because I hate that kind of behaviour as well.
Anyway don't lose that smile and I'm gonna try and get to one of your classes just to show you there are some students here who can comport themseves with dignity. _______________ "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
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GremReaper - Student 
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A few things I like to see people STOP doing in classes is:
1. Hopping around class. 2. Shoting dead bodies. Let to JATs or their assistant(s) do the clean up. 3. Stop the spamming the taunts. It's annoying hearing it over, over and over again. That all thats been bugging me lately in classes so please stop. _______________ Xfire--kdgremreaper |
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Shannon -SC- - Student 
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Well let's see how things turn out. I was rather crunchy when i wrote this post. But the sad fact is that, things like these happens, and everytime it does I wonder if the guy on the other end just droped his head on the keyboard and the random key hitting causes the trouble, cuz no one could be soo dump on purpose. _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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I thought more of a questioning in IRC or so....
seeing how ppl act is always better than ust a written application. hm or maybe you could just enter by recommendation of some Students anyway, that would be really tough, but I think it would be the last chance to shut that off.... _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Shannon -SC- - Student
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See the thing with the application to join sounds nice, but anyone can write some 'nice' stuff to get in.
If they don't like it they are free to leave anytime. There are even ppl out there who are nice, and neat as long they see a JAK/JAT after the last left, they pull out their little boosters for their pitifull egos. And go into a frenzy. _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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Well, thats one way.
Curious to see how it works. But I think maybe there should be sort of application to join the JA. Not a tough one, but many ppl seem to expect something totalyl different, and therefore dont behave. just my thoughts on that issue.... _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Shannon -SC- - Student
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The thing is, that it wasn't like that before. (With before i mean before points and ranks) What changed so much? The ppl here?
Are they fed up? I really dunno. But i still think getting rid of points was a good move. I know what I will do against it. As i said, ppl who can't behave on my class simply won't come to it again. Thats it. _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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hm well, Shannon, thats exactly my point, as you already know.
And thats what I was afraid of when they dropped the point system. Unluckily enough, it became true. 
So, what are we gonna do to avoid this ? _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Shannon -SC- - Student
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See, there is nothing i have about a witty comment while in class, I liked it if the class is fun, and to have the class 'semi-strict' and if someone walks around a bit in a theoretical class i have no problem with it either.
BUT if someones hoping around doinga dfa hurting others, swaping from saber to bryar all the time (the noise, anyone?), or seeing on/off... Where is the point in that? _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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i would just like to add and sympathize with shannon as i assisted this class and i can say its all true! sadly , i very much enjoy assiting in the teaching of classes but this class was enuff to put me off, luckly shannon told me it wont be like that again ! so i will still be assisting in classes peeps but it was a truly terrible performace by the people involved, THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE!!!! _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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