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Aeth S'kray - Retired  |
Current status posted by Ruuk on 17 March:
"NAME OF THE PROJECT: Since we have not (yet) come up with an official name, I'd like to just use the term Project - with a capital P. Easy to type, and doesn't offend anyone's ideas of what it should be called (yet). We will figure out what it's going to be called a little later, and will put out a separate posting with example names asking for either a vote or suggestion of other names. I'm not going to tell you what we've thought of right now, b/c I don't want this thread to start going into who likes what. We'll get into that later peeps! INTERESTED PARTIES: Those of you who are interested in actively helping out, contact MoS directly thru e-mail, and he can get you up to date with where we're at, how things are starting to get structured, etc. underhill...suggestion... see if you can selectively compress all the e-mails and IM's that we've been throwing back and forth, and see if you can put together a "package" that has most of the current thoughts on group structure, process, etc. If we do this, it would make it a lot easier to explain to new people coming on board. They can instantly get a feel of how things are going and how it's structured without us having to go through the whole discussion again with them. (e.g., you're talk with Bubu, MoS. Don't have peeps misunderstand what we're doing, or need to contact me directly to ask very general questions.) MoS, I prolly don't need to ask you this, but please send me the names and e-mail addresses of everybody that contacts you so I can add them to my cc: list. FORUM: I am going to ask DJ if he'll allow us to have our own forum on the JA Forums Page. We can have separate threads in there corresponding to the different parts of the Project. Aeth, you haven't told me yet if you think this is acceptable. MEETING: MoS, if you want me to organize a meeting, that's fine. Does everyone have access to hotmail? The current core group has been discussing things on hotmail IM and e-mail. I have a GIS project due this week, so I'm not going to be able to much during the evenings (-5... USA EST). Perhaps we can do something the weekend? Maybe around 12 noon EST? Let me know. OFFICIAL/UNOFFICIAL PARTS OF THE PROJECT: Just to fill some of you guys in right here so you aren't confused. This Project will be part of the JA website, but prolly on a separate server (which we'll deal with later...don't worry DJ). The Project may be similar to the Microsoft Knowledge Base. You type in a query on what you want to learn about, and the database will pop up the corresponding info. Aeth has suggested we break the Project into two parts. One would be the "Official" JA section, that would have sections written by seasoned individuals, edited, checked and critiqued by experts at JA, and then uploaded. The "Unofficial" part will be where any member of the JA can contribute their ideas of certain aspects of the game/JA. It will be moderated by some of the Project members, and edited for content. I personally think this section would be an excellent area from which Project members could then select and draw ideas and update/revise the Official section. Each contributer's idea, if used in the Official part, could be footnoted with their name as a way of saying thanks. PERSONALS: Aeth - Have you taken a look at the old handbook (recently edited by underhill)? This thing should help provide us with the initial Project structure, and hence, doling out work to people. Check it out and let me know what you think needs to be added/modified. Jake - Glad to see that you're continuing to work on the Force section. Keep it up. And yes, make sure you send it to underhill first for editing before the rest of us take a look at it. After that, it will get sent up the chain to some of the JA Force experts for review. Aeth is right, tho. We don't need to worry about the website stuff yet. btw...I have your e-mail punched in, so you should be getting the cc: messages now. fiZZ - Short guide...oh, ok, I think I understand. Let me know what you think, but I'm not sure this is necessary. When the Project is finally uploaded, people could just cut and paste Project text into Word and make their own personal printout guide on whatever certain parts they want to work on. Haemon - Let MoS send you the old handbook structure (as long Aeth thinks this preliminary structure is ok), and pick and choose what you'd be interested in expanding on. MoS, please keep a list of who is writing on what, and forward to me when you get a chance. Haemon, once underhill gets that edited Project pamphlet together, you'll see the Project Group structure, and where you need to send your write ups (well, to underhill for editing). FINAL THOUGHTS: Looks like we're starting to get some people interested in this Project. I - we - appreciate you're willingness to help. The ideas for this thing are grand indeed, but as Aeth said in a previous e-mail, we gotta start small. But wait till you see what it looks like when we get finished...w00t! Anybody have any questions, let me know at gisjedi@hotmail.com. -rh " _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 This post was edited by Aeth S'kray on Mar 18 2003 11:29am. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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you crazy cats have your own forum now... aeth, i'm putting you in charge!
http://academy.jediknightii.net/forum_topics_detail_page.php?f_id=11 _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me This comment was edited by doobie on Mar 27 2003 12:40am. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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I don't really think we need a mapping, skinning, etc. section. The way I understood it was this would kinda be like a handbook for new students.
Anyway, like I said, I have some of the console commands and stuff that I'll send to Ruuk, I guess, when it's finished. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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underhill - Student 
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That's a good idea. Perhaps each catergory could be divided into 'basic' and 'advanced' sections rather than having them seperate? _______________ "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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Ruuk is away until Saturday at his brothers wedding.
One question, should we organize by difficulty or by topic? Should their be a "Basics" and "Advanced section"? I was thinking about this while taking a crap, and if we had all the basic stuff and simple tactics in one category. Like Basic Movment would cover rolling, wallwalking, and the like while Advanced movement in a different section would cover strafe jumping, gliding, wall gliding, etc. What topics does everyone want? So far, we have: Welcome to the Academy The Lightsaber -Blue -Yellow -Red -Countering and Ghoul2 Force Powers -Stats -How, when, and where to use. Game Types/Tactics -Huge section here. We would cover a lot. Guns and explosives -How to use, how to defend against Movement Tips and Tricks -Things like the Instant DFA or wall gliding Technical section later on? After the (Mapping, skinning, scripting, and stuff) _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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underhill - Student
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Oh Ok. I didn't know that ruuk was doing it. I'll send the handbook on to him then. _______________ "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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well, I basically agree, but that could well done with the database system, DJ was talking about. lets keep this as simple and stupid as possible until we get that supported by the DJ. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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I was under the impression we were sending it all to ruuk to grammify (is that even a word ?)and present then he'd send it around and get suggestions for changes. Right now I think we should focus on the core content and information before we worry bout how people are gonna access it and all the glossy stuff.
I'll start on the forces. I was gonna do movement and some basic saber tactics but to get it moving praps someone else should do movement. Just had an idea, we all pick a topic, or get handed it, whatever, then once your topic is done, you send it on to the next person, they can make changes and add bits, so the basis of your work would still be there but would be intertwined. Or jsut put notes in a different colour under the bit you think should be changed then send it on some more, and the next person uses another different colour, that way if we all have assigned colours we'll know who cam up with what idea. It'll also make it more fun as I like pretty colours....... 
I'm assuming you guys know quite a bit about the game, quite a lot in fact otherwise I don't believe you'd undertake this proeject. If I bump into any of you over the weekend I'll send my force rundown over, which is near completion. Its not force tactics yet, just states what they do at each level, how much force they use, etc. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side 
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Battlin' Billy - Student
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I have a partial list of handy console commands and key binds. I don't know if any of that is in the book you mentioned. Let me know where to send it when I'm done. I could have a 1st copy by this weekend.
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underhill - Student
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Whatever we do (and cumfortable with all the suggestions) we need copy first and formost before we can do anything.
So look, what I can do is send my edited version fo Kika's handbook to anyone who wants to contribute. They insert whatever information they want and send back to me for editing and general cleaning up. Then, we'll have a pretty mean looking bunch of infomation in once place, from which we can use in the website, database whatever. OK? OK. _______________ "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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allright, so who is doing this now? fizz, ruuk, jake (?)... who else? lets get to work boys _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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ok Aeth... I got you know, and I totally agree 
what came to my mind is also maybe a part on the history of JK2, iE the differences between the patches and why there's such a huge 1.02 community still..... yeah, mail me ur console command list, I'll put it together with the preliminary handbook on a server so folks can d/l it. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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This thing IS gonna be huge, wheather we decide to do every single swing or not. I was aiming for this thing to be suitable for new players right up to experienced (if they wanna refresh their knowledge or see if theres anything we know that they don't )
I was hoping that new players could pick it up, read it, and learn everything there is to know about this game, without actually playing for themselves. On the subject of peoples opinions on stuff. I'm not sure if this is a good idea, as some peoples views, whilst they may work for them and they think are the best way, are actually not. Forr example some of you may remember my argument with buzz about dark being better than light in full force duel. Not my opinion, but fact. We don't really want stuff in it that is blatently wrong. Peoples playing styles, that could work, like tips on what to do and stuff, how to move in a duel, how to counter someone who fights like this, stuff like that. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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fizz, i thought of doing theese groups as subgroups. those main topics were only for new members to keep track of what they really need and what is more advanced or fun-based.
i think we would need an "official" group or whatever that gives you the basics and wher you can see: this this this and this i need. then for details and the rest you can go to the other group. plus an "official" group would make sure the have a certain standard in this part. get me? _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Battlin' Billy - Student
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I was gonna make up a list of some of the more useful console commands. I'll send it to whomever and if anything needs to added/subtracted they can do that, or ask me to.
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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well ,Aeth, I wouldnt make it up like that. This thing is gonna be huge, so the structure has to be very detailed in order to keep the whole thing readable.
To my mind we should split it up into some major groups, as well as splitting these into beginners, intermediate and advanced skillz. iE moves & acrobatics force powers combos tips, tricks & tactics but I like the part with personal opinions, but it's kind of hard to keep an overview here. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired
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yeah, but look, we need to get a system running before thinking of writing anything.
we need a table of content, what do we want in the archive, what is its task (help new ones? fighting? everything?) THEN we need some guys who want to care about the website, means somebody to design and upload the stuff. here's DJ's turn, i think, but would be better to have students to upload it (dj has enough work already) THEN everybody can start submitting. wanna hear my advice? do like this: -------------------------- The Jedi Archive -------------------------- Official Part: Basic fight techniques, covers all stances + forces. Some advanced tactics aswell, but it's short and simple. Best would be that the same author (or group of authors) do this part to keep track of the red line and to keep a certain style in their explanations. Pictures are needed aswell. Additional add some academy related stuff like explain the map, explain some console commands like binds and the rank structure + classes of the JA. Some basic etiquettes would be nice asweel, but theese things can be added later. This Official PArt has to be top and read and agreed by several high-class players. Unofficial Part Thats where fun starts. Every student can submit their essays, involving fighting (give a secundary opinion on certain things or add something), covering new styles (like bug yDFA), writing phylosopic texts or anything you want. Theese essays are mailed to moderators, they read them and decide if its usefull or not. In certain cases they contact "experts" to back up info or questions. Moderators now send the accepted files to either DJ or the one(s) who has access to the Archive Page so they can upload it. An agenda + a search function is also a must-be. Well, that's my idea of it. It covers so far everything i heared, for example this JA-handbook for new ones could be part of the unofficial part or if its extreme 1337 it could be added to the official one aswell
Feel free to comment or add your ideas. Oh, and we would neeed people to actually say if and what they wanna do (write official, check official, moderate, webmaster etc). P.S. personally i'd like best beeing a submitter and/or help with the official one (espcially check what others wrote ;P). _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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underhill - Student
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Hmmm ... I'm inclined to think that it would a good idea to split the stances up between a couple of people. Then everyone sends their bits to everyone on the editorial team for a group analysis on irc or through e-mail.
I highly recommend you get NFF to write the red stance section if he has the time. His explanations in class were top class. _______________ "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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I'm hoping to be involved in the technical descriptive side, as thats my sepciality. Basically explaing stuff and getting information bout it all. Starting force powers rundown as I type (obviously not at the same time, but straight after this ) Will do movement after that if I have time.
The saber bit is gonna be pretty large but heres my suggestion. We can either split the stances up, or, we can all do all the stances and then merge the ides to get the best description. Let me know, now, to work..... _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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underhill - Student
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Ok, I'm interested
I'd love to be part of this wee project. Anything you want I can do for ya. Writing ... whatever. I can even do some illustrations for ya if ya want. _______________ "Negative. I am a meat popsicle." |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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So far, Ruuk, Jake, and myself are leading the project. Fizz has donated some information and would like to be part of the project. Aeth has also expressed a strong interest. We're working on the layout and design stages and hopefully we will soon start writing some parts.
We will consult with "experts" for advice and improvement. Once we decide the best format and make sure most academy members support it, we will work on getting the info written and assembled. Personally, I think all members should be able to submit things that will be checked and revised by the "experts" through the people who have worked to get the idea on it's feet. Once we have something to show, DJ is interested in putting it up on the site. If you feel like a few people are just taking control over this, relax. We have been working hard to get something for everyone and once things get rolling, everyone will be able to contribute. Like I said, we're just starting. The thoughts above are mine, and may not necessarily be the same as the other people who have been working with me. Show your support guys. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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well, yeah Aeth, I totally agree.
but: who's moderator ? _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Battlin' Billy - Student
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I can't think of anything that you may have missed right now. But if you guys need a hand with something, I'm volunteering! Post here or on my profile and let me know!
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Jake Kainite - Student
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I put it in the other posts and I'll put it here too I was hoping this thing would be mor game specific than academy specific, I spose if the majority swings the other way then I'll go along with it, just my thoughts.
The main problem we've got at the moment is that none of the other students seem to be showing interest  We need your thoughts people, we need you to tell us what you want to see. We've got rough ideas but theres always a chance that ALL of us might forget something, or even somthing that none of us even know yet (like quadrupal spins or something).
This weekend I'm gonna start with a rundown on all the force powers, and maybe a little bit on movement and standard key setups (not saying "bind this key to do that" but say, "this should be nearby to this"
Archives, holocron, handbook, its all the same to me, whatever you guys go for I'm not bothered. I'll keep filling you in on my progress so far. Forgot how much I loved this research kind of thing Speacillay when its about a subject which is close to me. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Aeth S'kray - Retired
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that idea isnt that bad. actually i think very good of this project and i think DJ already said he's interested in that.
a dtabase wit hsearch function where everyone can submit essays (through moderators). knowledge from saber moves to JA history till honour codexes, just everything. personally i'd call it Jedi Academy Archives... and maybe we could extract some parts of it to built a small handbook for new students. i especially like the idea that everyone could donate their knowledeg and others do profit from it. technically it's not too hard, there are already php databases. so what we would need is: -modertors to go through the submissions and post what they think is usefull -some students with essays -JAC's blessing -make up a general idea what the archives should contain _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Sniya - Student 
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yeah it not like dj has anything better to do (VERY sarcastic,joke alert,ha ha) _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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Aeth-
The little known moves thread morphed into a different thing, so I tried creating other ones with more accurate headings. But people (naturally) continued using the other ones, too, and now we've got the ideas all scattered all over the place. BAH! What have I done?!?
I'd also like everything combined together, but don't want to lose what has been contributed so far. Can DJ rip those others apart, delete them, and put their text together here? -rh _______________ Back from the dead... This comment was edited by Ruuk Haviser on Mar 12 2003 01:47pm. |
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