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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student  |
Fianlly a review of EP3 that agree with. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=episode3 _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Quote: if there is a guy out there who's only true thing he does is criticize everything and everything almost no matter what it is, why would you take any stock in another criticism. Lets assume that is all he ever does is criticize. Just for the sake of arguement. The answer is still simple. "Even a blind squirrel, finds an acorn, now and then" _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Buzz - Student 
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I'm going to attack maddox simply for the fact that his method is to attack everything he can. Face it, if there is a guy out there who's only true thing he does is criticize everything and everything almost no matter what it is, why would you take any stock in another criticism. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Jeramia Adept - Student 
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unlike your opinion, i feel as if ALL star wars movies are great in every aspect. I also feel that the author of that review is bantha fodder and a flamming monkey turd    _______________ The Force is my ally, and a powerful ally it is. Padawan Brother to Darth Sirius |
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Majno - Padawan 
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Quote: I don't get why people treat Star Wars so seriously anyway - it's a great universe, but it's supposed to be fun, a bit of a roller coaster ride, not anything serious. That's why I always crack up when people start pointing out plot holes or inconsistensies, because my attention is focused somewhere else, between the fortune cookie Jedi wisdom and the awesome cheesy monologues. I'm also kind of surprised at the amount of banter in this thread, maybe because (Jedi)Obi-JK is so defensive when it comes to this review, I dunno. All I can say is, move along, move along! I totally agree with this btw, nicely written Ken, _______________ " You've just taken your first steps into a larger world. " - Ben. |
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Majno - Padawan 
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I'm sorry, I've seen so many reviews of EpIII so I was too lazy to retort to the review it self. And because that guy used such funny bashing language, I couldnt help but to bash him a bit. Sorry, but there has to be a frist for everything, I'll try not to do so in the future. _______________ " You've just taken your first steps into a larger world. " - Ben. |
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Majno - Padawan
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Hahahahahahaha _______________ " You've just taken your first steps into a larger world. " - Ben. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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Quote: This Maddox guy doesnt even like the SW movies to begin with, so why tf are even listning to this ranting movie basher, I mean its like a wine-lover telling a beer guy that beer sucks and goes on about why he doesnt like beer, sure have your opinion, but hey, to be obscene and flame about GL and the movies like that, just makes me think, oki, this guy is just childhoodless attention seeking badmouth  Kenyon, this is what makes me defensive. The topic isn't even "Maddox's review of EP3", its simply jump on the "attack against the person" fallacy bandwagon. (for those who don't know what that is) [url]http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/attack.htm[/url Yes, this topic was obviously started to stir discussion, but not the type where people just attack someone. The fact of the matter is, what is going on, on the rest of Maddox's site doesn't matter at all. The fact is that calling Maddox a moron, or simply calling the review garabage without backing it up, doesn't make Maddox look bad, it only makes you look bad. So anyway, to those who actually tried to put in the effort to formulate a good post for discussion, thanks. I give up on this topic. Admins can feel free to close this if they want. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Majno - Padawan
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This Maddox guy doesnt even like the SW movies to begin with, so why tf are even listning to this ranting movie basher, I mean its like a wine-lover telling a beer guy that beer sucks and goes on about why he doesnt like beer, sure have your opinion, but hey, to be obscene and flame about GL and the movies like that, just makes me think, oki, this guy is just childhoodless attention seeking badmouth _______________ " You've just taken your first steps into a larger world. " - Ben. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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Quote: Ever since Ep1 (atleast possibly further back) these have been popular enough to not be B-movies. B-movies aren't just called B-movies because of their popularity, grasshopper. It has a lot to do with style as well - look at Pulp Fiction, a very popular movie by all accounts. Lucas watched a lot of Flash Gordon flicks when he was younger. His style has always been based on that, in both trilogies. I give a lot of kudos to Irvin Kershner for making the dialogue in ESB sound so good - it was still a homage to those Flash Gordon days, though. It's a soap opera in space. I don't get why people treat Star Wars so seriously anyway - it's a great universe, but it's supposed to be fun, a bit of a roller coaster ride, not anything serious. That's why I always crack up when people start pointing out plot holes or inconsistensies, because my attention is focused somewhere else, between the fortune cookie Jedi wisdom and the awesome cheesy monologues. I'm also kind of surprised at the amount of banter in this thread, maybe because (Jedi)Obi-JK is so defensive when it comes to this review, I dunno. All I can say is, move along, move along! Good call, that was incorrect. Quote: "B-movie" has gradually come to refer to any low-budget movie with lesser-known (and generally considered inferior) actors (B-actors). Usually the films are formulaic and campy, with cheap special effects, uninspired dialogue, and gratuitous nudity, sexuality, and/or violence. B-movies of the horror movie genre are especially popular. B-movies today are often not even released in theaters, instead going direct-to-video. That is the best definition I could find, from wikipedia. And star wars really only fits that bill by dialogue nothing else. So I would still not consider it a B-movie. Not an expert that is just my interpretation of the defition. That this tangent we have taken (B-movie's) could be a whole other topic. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Quote: Ever since Ep1 (atleast possibly further back) these have been popular enough to not be B-movies. B-movies aren't just called B-movies because of their popularity, grasshopper. It has a lot to do with style as well - look at Pulp Fiction, a very popular movie by all accounts. Lucas watched a lot of Flash Gordon flicks when he was younger. His style has always been based on that, in both trilogies. I give a lot of kudos to Irvin Kershner for making the dialogue in ESB sound so good - it was still a homage to those Flash Gordon days, though. It's a soap opera in space. I don't get why people treat Star Wars so seriously anyway - it's a great universe, but it's supposed to be fun, a bit of a roller coaster ride, not anything serious. That's why I always crack up when people start pointing out plot holes or inconsistensies, because my attention is focused somewhere else, between the fortune cookie Jedi wisdom and the awesome cheesy monologues. I'm also kind of surprised at the amount of banter in this thread, maybe because (Jedi)Obi-JK is so defensive when it comes to this review, I dunno. All I can say is, move along, move along! |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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Here: Quote: I'm not gonna bother reading the review. I've heard enough from the quotations that he's just reciting the same crap everybody has had and they've totally lost sight of the fact that the movie is telling a story. Again nice job on the hearsay. Also doesn't just about every movie "tell a story"? Quote: Anyone can nitpick the hell out of any movie, it's not hard. So Episode III had some corny parts or whatever. WOW that's really different from the original trilogy isn't it? Oh wai Was some nitpicking done, yes. Was that all that was done, no. Quote: Not to mention this movie is designed to fill the shoes of a cheap, sci-fi B-movie. The acting isn't supposed to be Shakespeare. Ever since Ep1 (atleast possibly further back) these have been popular enough to not be B-movies. Also the dialogue was only attacked once, and personally when I read that sentence, it is one of the sentences I see as there for humor's sake. Quote: Couple that with the fact that I only found 4, maybe 5 lines in the entire movie to be unbelievable (which I can find easily in just about any movie) and it makes you wonder exactly what there is to criticize? Its not just the lines that are unbelieveable, its also the ones where emphasis is clearly put in wrong place, where it should have been cut and done in another take because it was subpar. Quote: Wow, they have stupid names? Okay... cool? This basically proves that he's just looking for crap to take apart and another one of the "star wars sux george lucas raped my childhood yayayaya lolololol" fanboys. Granted nit-picking. Quote: Big surprise. A negative review from somebody who says all six movies were bad saying that the last movie was bad!? I'm stunned. Is it any different from the opinion of somebody who loved all six and says the last one was awesome? Not really. Basically my whole point is... who cares if you didn't like it? Already cover to above quote. So I just replied to your post paragraph by paragraph, and we didn't cover 1/2 of what was in his post. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Oolongo - Student 
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It seems most people here hated this review but I loved it I thought it was a really funny read, and it like all reviews shouldn't be taken too seriously since they are just one person's opinion. Maddox isn't the first and only person I've heard bash Episode III (cause it did have some big faults that most people did pick up on). Though overall I still loved the movie and review. _______________ All hail the cute bunny! This comment was edited by Oolongo on Jun 13 2005 04:47am. |
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Gr1m - Student |
wow, is all I can say _______________ Smokey, this isn't nam, this is bowling. There are rules. |
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Carve - Student 
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Alright, first: The quotes I mentioned had not been refuted by you or anybody, thus it is safe to assume they were correct. I'm working with just the negative things being brought up here, much like Maddox did with Episode III... hmm... Second of all, if you want to talk about how many people read something to care, I guess the New York Times' very positive review probably has Maddox beat. But hey, who's to say that the New York Times is more popular than Maddox? (P.S. I'm guessing it is.) Not to mention you yourself said how many positive reviews it got. Hmm, lots of positive reviews eh? In fact, more positive than negative. Well isn't that interesting... My point is that his review is really irrelevant. Some people had positive views, some people had negative. One of them happens to be "internet famous". Wow. He's no more qualified to critique a movie than anybody, and he is KNOWN for being biased. Not that it would have mattered anyways, because I've seen the movie about five times now and I liked it every time so someone's negative review isn't going to suddenly get me thinking, "Wow, I didn't like this movie after all!", but someone's opinion is someone's opinion. That's why I say "who cares". _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Jun 12 2005 05:41pm. |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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What is wrong with you people? Seriously, all of you. Chill out. |
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Buzz - Student
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Have you failed to read my review on what George Lucas has done? Have you failed to see where I said that I actually agree with some of the stuff he says, but still see his review as crap. I suggest you read a comment and be sure of what it says. And also realize that I wasn't only talking about his Episode 3 review when I talked about his rants and raves. He posts a guy's e-mail on his website with a veiled threat and the guy proceeds to receive untold numbers of hatemail and has to beg to have his e-mail removed. The fact that he gets e-mails of people asking him when he's going to update his site again. I stand by my assertion that many of his fans see him as an internet god. And since you're all but inferring that about star wars fans towards Lucas I wouldn't argue too much about it. San Fran's population is closer to 700,000 not 1 million, and the entire metro area population is about 7 million and that's likely the number people will think of when you say a city. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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"approximately 500,000 of those people are the ones that hang on his every word and think he's a God, and would fall apart if he ever stopped posting. " your saying that 500,000 people think he's god so they listen to what he has to say? I think you are a little confused. His site gets over 30,000 UNIQUE hits A DAY. Thus making your statement irrelevant and incorrect.Also, do you realize how MANY people 500,000 thousand is? Thats half of san francisco. His site doesnt count hits from the same ip more than once, so lets say multiple kids from the same school check his site, it will only show up as one hit. He actually has around 1,000,000 hits on that topic. "He rants and raves and complains about stuff" Have you even seen the movie? Have you failed to realize everything he says HAPPENS, and it's TRUE? The fact of the matter is anything lucas does, star wars "fans" are gonna love it, plain and simple. Also, carvonous said that "all movies have bad plot points". This again is untrue, just because he states the obvious is his review and basically makes this movie look like crap, you try to defend it by saying "all movies have plot holes". hahahaa _______________ Smokey, this isn't nam, this is bowling. There are rules. |
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Buzz - Student
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Quote: 2.) Who cares? well that page specifically on the website has over 580,000 hits. So I guess we can atleast say a few. But then again if you would have read the article you wouldn't make statements that obviously wrong. and approximately 500,000 of those people are the ones that hang on his every word and think he's a God, and would fall apart if he ever stopped posting. Guess what Obi, I even agree with some of the stuff he wrote but I still see it as garbage. He rants and raves and complains about stuff. I can go to probably 20 different blogs who do the same stuff, do it better, more often and allow people to actually comment on what they say. I still want to know if he's a criminal or an idiot though. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Jun 12 2005 08:40am. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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I'll just add that this guy has issues. And I will add to the fact that one can justifiably call it a garbage review without even reading it. I called it a garbage review. Then I read it. It is a garbage review. I will also add to not be so quick to say I am not qualified to make such an analysis. You know nothing of my qualifications, and I have no need to discuss them with you. Lack of objectivity. Lack of supporting evidence. No examples, nothing to really back up his crituque. There are very few good points in there, and he could almost make a good connection of supporting evidence, but the article is so scattered with angry lines and unjustified attacks, that any good argument made is shatterd by it. It is not threaded together well at all. That, and he makes skewed arguments as well, such as conspiracies involving the "cooperation of thousands of soldiers" This is likely referring to the clone troopers. Let me thoss a dictionary around to emphasize something: co·op·er·ate Pronunciation Key (k-p-rt) intr.v. co·op·er·at·ed, co·op·er·at·ing, co·op·er·ates "To acquiesce willingly; be compliant: asked the child to cooperate and go to bed." It can also be: "To work or act together toward a common end or purpose" So yes, they are instruments. But a pre-programmed humanoid just carrying out an order as hardwired into them, with no free will to resist this, is not "cooperating". And that's the point of the scene. He obviously misses it, so his point is more an illustration not being able to understand "cooperation", which at best means he didn't watch enough Sesame Street (where they say that all the time), and at worst means he is just an idiot. And then the whole end line: "Back to why I rule" Sure, I'm almost certain whoever it was that posted the link here (I really have no incentive to learn your name, but just look above at the original post) will jump in and pick me apart. And that's where the problem is: You say it is not right to criticise this article without reading it, yet you will criticize us without even knowing us at all and without even getting a glimpse of our motivations. This is that same wretched dichotomous nature that your above critic hates in his own article. By only touching on the tip of this issue, this is such a paradoxical approach that I'm not even going to bother with you further (and here it comes!!!!) PERIOD. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on Jun 12 2005 03:27am. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Quote: I'm not gonna bother reading the review. I've heard enough from the quotations that he's just reciting the same crap everybody has had and they've totally lost sight of the fact that the movie is telling a story. Anyone can nitpick the hell out of any movie, it's not hard. So Episode III had some corny parts or whatever. WOW that's really different from the original trilogy isn't it? Oh wai Not to mention this movie is designed to fill the shoes of a cheap, sci-fi B-movie. The acting isn't supposed to be Shakespeare. Couple that with the fact that I only found 4, maybe 5 lines in the entire movie to be unbelievable (which I can find easily in just about any movie) and it makes you wonder exactly what there is to criticize? Wow, they have stupid names? Okay... cool? This basically proves that he's just looking for crap to take apart and another one of the "star wars sux george lucas raped my childhood yayayaya lolololol" fanboys. Big surprise. A negative review from somebody who says all six movies were bad saying that the last movie was bad!? I'm stunned. Is it any different from the opinion of somebody who loved all six and says the last one was awesome? Not really. Basically my whole point is... who cares if you didn't like it? omg. I don't even know where to start here. 1.) I'm literally amazed that someone who didn't even read the article feels so qualified to make that many statements about it. Seriously your post is so utterly useless because of the simple fact, that you could agree with 1/2 of his review, and have no clue. (Not that is matter now that I called you out, you obviously won't) 2.) Who cares? well that page specifically on the website has over 580,000 hits. So I guess we can atleast say a few. But then again if you would have read the article you wouldn't make statements that obviously wrong. Quote: Is it any different from the opinion of somebody who loved all six and says the last one was awesome? Nope, and I nenver stated it was, but there are so many reviews for how good this movie was, that it was finally nice to see someone be willing to point out that it had flaws, and that those flaws were valid. But again, you wouldn't know that. You would prefer to make statements based on rumor and hearsay. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Carve - Student 
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I'm not gonna bother reading the review. I've heard enough from the quotations that he's just reciting the same crap everybody has had and they've totally lost sight of the fact that the movie is telling a story. Anyone can nitpick the hell out of any movie, it's not hard. So Episode III had some corny parts or whatever. WOW that's really different from the original trilogy isn't it? Oh wai Not to mention this movie is designed to fill the shoes of a cheap, sci-fi B-movie. The acting isn't supposed to be Shakespeare. Couple that with the fact that I only found 4, maybe 5 lines in the entire movie to be unbelievable (which I can find easily in just about any movie) and it makes you wonder exactly what there is to criticize? Wow, they have stupid names? Okay... cool? This basically proves that he's just looking for crap to take apart and another one of the "star wars sux george lucas raped my childhood yayayaya lolololol" fanboys. Big surprise. A negative review from somebody who says all six movies were bad saying that the last movie was bad!? I'm stunned. Is it any different from the opinion of somebody who loved all six and says the last one was awesome? Not really. Basically my whole point is... who cares if you didn't like it? _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Jun 11 2005 11:38pm. |
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SaZ - Student 
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throw this review to garbage _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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3th - Retired 
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no Tyrant, you're not i'd say the majority of star wars fans loved it. i didn't love it, but i didn't hate it, despite what my rantings may convey, they're more for humorous effect anyway (there were just certain aspects of it i hated and a few aspects i loved ) _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Tyrant - Ex-Student 
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Quote: yes, i too have seen the episode 3 and found it to be...most disturbing. Wow... So I am the only one on the planet that likes Episode 3 search your feelings, you know it to be true. i know there is still good taste in you, Lucas hasn't driven it from you fully!  ? |
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Tyrant - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Yeah exactly, I did'nt see him write about anything he llike's, probably because he's scared someone will make fun of him and his intrest's. Lol man, so true... Remember, opinion's are like A$$ holes everybody has one but no one wants to hear your's. |
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