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Doppelgänger - Student  |
Well I've kept my mouth shut long enough! Tonight I log onto the main server and begin to duel. It's been a few days cause I’ve been sick but it wouldn't take me long to get my groove up again. Just as my fingers were starting to relax I run into a dueler that can't stand being countered to death. This dueler who's name I will never call out only fights in red stance. That's fine with me. It makes for a boring fight but ok! Now this guy had taken like 30hp off me but I seen myself get three great counters in on yellow stance so I know I got him good. He stops the duel and this is our conversation from my condump...
(Him) Dopp Dopp_Zero [JAP]: yes (Him) Are you going to run away or are you going to fight? Dopp_Zero [JAP]: are you going to fight on red all the time (Him) Yes I am Dopp_Zero [JAP]: then I will evade you as I see fit The duel has been severed. (Him) Guess thats a No Now it could have been his lag that he was complaining about but from my point of view I was always circling his side waiting for his combo moves to stop so I can take more hp off. Now I'm sure he understood what I was doing and didn't know what else to do but is there any excuse to act that rude? I mean come on I'm not stupid! Now my complaint isn't really about this one guy. It's about many people that I have seen act this way. You are allowing your emotions to control you. There is no reason to take this game that serious. I told him I had no hard feelings but I’m worried about a small few that are more interested in a quick kill than really trying to duel. So you've mastered the timing of red. Good for you, but master all aspects of saber dueling not just red. So how do I know this guy was only interested in a quick kill? This is just one line he said from another duel. "I wish lunge did that much damage" What are your feelings on this matter? _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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Mistral - Ex-Student 
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Hell no! I'm staying!
What? Is it over already? |
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.Templar. - Ex-Student 
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The post was deleted in hope that everyone would move on, but apparently thats not going to happen. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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just a note: when you post something, and then someone corrects you or refutes you, don't delete your original post, just edit it with the correction or explanation. otherwise people who read this later will miss out on the action and it makes the person who answered you look stupid.  *wink wink hint hint* _______________ make install -not war |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Hmmmm I can see it being very interesting the next time you guys meet in a duel, but lets not make a competition out of this.......
*wispers* I got $10 bucks on templar!! _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side 
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.Templar. - Ex-Student 
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And also, If you are going to post my statement about lunge, post everything that me and the other guy were talking about during our friendly duel - He made an extremely well aimed lunge on me that hit me really good, but only did 6 damage, and I said "I wish lunge did that damage every time, lol", he then responded with "how much?" I said "6" and he said "wow..", Anyways, I'm through with this post. This comment was edited by .Templar. on Mar 18 2003 04:10am. |
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Doppelgänger - Student 
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Ok Templar I do believe you when you say I was running away. I can't believe that a person would lie. You were complaining about allot of lag and perhaps that's why that duel didn't seem to be going so well. So I'll shake you're hand and say Good Duel! I hope what ever lag problem you've had goes away because I do hope to duel you again some time.  _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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.Templar. - Ex-Student
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Your right, he didnt say it was me, but I feel everyone should know both sides of the story. |
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Buzz - Student 
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You know Templar he didn't say it was you and you come off even ruder than Dopp did when I read his post the first time. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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.Templar. - Ex-Student
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That was me, I was 100/43, and you did nothing but run to the other side of the Matrix (Edit - at LEAST) 10 times in a row,And I dont know where you get this "counter" thing out of, I dont call jumping over my head, swinging once while in the air, then running to the other side of the mat countering, I also stood still for several seconds at a couple points to give you a chance to attack, hoping MABYE you would do something other than wait for me to attack then jump over me and run, I'm sorry but I'm not going to play the game to have someone jump over me and run away every time I make a move without making any offensive moves towards me, I'll just give up as I did with you. And yes, I was a bit rude, I was tired, and I wanted a good fight, not a foot chase. (Second Edit) I dont appreciate your insulting me because of my red stance usage, mabye YOU want to learn to use blue and red and yellow, but I dont, I specialize in red/kick hybrid fighting, I'll kick yer behind in a red duel, youll kick my behind in a yellow/blue duel, dont hate on someone because they specialize in something you dislike. (LAST EDIT I swear!), ok I've finally read all the posts, just to clear this up, I severed the duel - On another note, I have no hard feelings towards you Dopp. This comment was edited by .Templar. on Mar 17 2003 01:06pm. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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lol ioshee i admire your courage for coming in here and saying something like that but i do not admire your doing it.
as long as it is kept within the boundaries of sane humor i'm cool with it _______________ make install -not war |
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ioshee - Student 
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Additionally, I think JavaGuy is cool.
And SW's emotional comments are further proof that we should NEVER have a female president. j/k please don't kill m- *gets struck down by Ms. Whisper’s Lightning bolt* _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Fonz - Student 
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Cheers guys - fraid you have to bear with me a bit - when i start going off on a rant there's no stopping me
Keep it cool all 
-Fonz _______________ Support bacteria, they're the only culture some people have. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Aaaaaaaaayyyyye!
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ioshee - Student 
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Way to keep it cool fonz.
I don't think Dopp is all THAT upset. It's just that the forums are the perfect place to come and vent while you cool off. Sometimes people post stuff that they FEEL and then it's immortalized on the forums. So while Dopp has probably forgot all about this we get to keep discussing it hehe. But again, I just want to say how cool you are fonz. Thanks _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Fonz - Student 
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Please don't take offence anyone  but...
I think that one of the main points has been missed here - whilst i personally believe that what he said and did was a little out of order - there are two main points to be considered: 1. It's only a game - what i mean by this is that if someone is rude in anyway it is not a life or death situation shrug your shoulders and move on - their loss 2. In a similar vein - ask yoursself this question; do you really want to duel someone who is rude in this manner (personally i wouldn't). In all fairness though you have to admit this is a fairly minor thing. My advice to anyone who is getting irritated on servers whether from someone elses actions or (like me) your own inability to ever win - TAKE A BREAK - everyone gets wound up sometimes;; chillout for fifteen minutes or so and come back to it.
I have to say though - I have never had any problems on the servers - all you guys and gals rock
My thoughts for what they're worth _______________ Support bacteria, they're the only culture some people have. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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Yeah, I can see where you guys are coming from. Sorry dop. Didn't understand quite what the situtation was until I spewed all over the page. Forgive me? 
-rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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ioshee - Student
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Dop=Right
(Him)=Wrong I don't feel like typing right now so I thought I would try to express my thoughts on this issue with as little text as possible=] _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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I have no problems with the stances they all have their place. Is is very very annoying though, the sheer physics of it. You'd think, 'he swings slow, I swing fast, therefore I'll get more hits in' Thats not always the case though, which is a right shame. Anyway another thing I hate is patient people
Don't get me wrong I love a nice long duel as long as theres contact between the 2 combatants. The people that really get on my nerves, will do nothing, nothing at all until you've made a mistake. Now I know what you're thinking and I can see your point. That is the very essence of dueling, not whose best, but who makes more mistakes and who can exploit them. If everyone fought perfectly the whole time there'd never be a winner
So yeah,anyway, the essence of dueling is to take advantage of other peoples mistakes, that I agree with. But waiting around just waiting for them to make a mistake, not even trying to force them into making a mistake, just winning by being patient, that really gets annoying. In the end you just end up losing because you can't be bothered anymore and get sloppy. Sure they'll win, sure you've hardly hit them at all, their ego gets a big boost. But personally in the time is takes to duel one of these people you could have fought 5 other people and learned 5 other styles and techniques. There is a fine line between evasion and cowardice Getting ut of the way of moves is one thing, but running around until they get bored just isn't fun and its certainly not fighting the person at their maximum potential.
If 2 players that fight like this duel eachother it goes on for ages and ages, becuase no one even wants to do the first swing. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Buzz - Student 
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Well Doppel I can say with some confidence that you will not be doing that anytime soon against her Usually when you improve she just fights better herself _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Doppelgänger - Student
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No Buzz I wasn’t offended. I really didn’t convey what I was trying to say very well because it was 4:00am here and I was tired. Yes I was upset at first when I read Whispers post but I realized he must have thought that I was cutting down people who only fought in red stance. I believe if I remember correctly that Whisper is one of those unaffected by my abilities to counter. Just a note Whisper: When you least expect it I will have adapted to your style and leave you wondering what happened. _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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Buzz - Student
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That's what happens when you read the post at 5 am for me and 3 am for SW. Yeah, breaking a one minute duel is bad. I'm sorry if you thought I offended you. As I said before, after I've gotten some sleep he does sound much worse. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Doppelgänger - Student
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Ok first off Silent Whisper, what is with your attitude? Did you read what happened or did you skim through it and think you understood it? Don’t bother to leave a post if you can’t comprehend what someone is saying. You’ve just got the wrong idea all together.
Second Buzz, did you read what I said? I didn’t say everyone who fights in red stance I said some of you! Get over trying to protect what you do. I really don’t care when you master red stance blue or yellow. I wasn’t cutting anyone down for taking their time to learn the way they see fit. I don’t want anyone to think that it’s wrong to fight in one stance because it is not. I’m only speaking about those very few that get their worlds shattered when someone comes along and wins with blue or yellow stance. Third…Thank you JavaGuy. You seem to be one of the few that understood what I was saying. The duel hadn’t gone on for more than a minute. I should have said that. It was moving quite fast really and that’s what I didn’t understand. I think that with his lag though he might have seen me in a different position than I was so he might have thought that I was running away when I was really right beside him. I’ll point out that when he stopped to speak to me he moved away pretty quick. He’d got me and I got him it was only a matter of seconds that one of us would surprise the other and win. I’m not saying that he was bad at red stance because he was good at all the combos. I don’t think he understood why I was getting him at all. He might have felt that I wasn’t playing fare, but I’m sorry once the combo stops and I move in you’re gonna get hurt.
Again people I was not insulting all of you who duel in red stance so get over it. Some of you have made red stance quite an art form. I’ve seen many of you pull off some sweet arse timing on red and make my countering look like pudding. I want those people to keep up the good work! _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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Buzz - Student
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See when I read dopps post and I think when whisper read it too, it seems more like he's upset over the fact that the guy uses read stance. It always seems that the people that do use red stance take more crap. On public servers I've run into rude people that go "ugh you only use red" or "I hate fighting people in red stance" Obviously they aren't taking the time to learn it. And I've also fought someone that claimed to be "evading" Now granted he beat me and I was kind of pissed at the way he did but one of my friend fought him as well and he doesn't use red stance And when you go for over two minutes without even making a hit that does 1 damage to eachother I don't consider that evading. Also actually being daylight here and not absurdly early in the morning without sleep I can read better so the guy sounds a bit ruder in the way he talked. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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Good point. Thanks for explaining.
-rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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JavaGuy - Student
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I think Whisper's mistaken. Read what Dopp wrote again.
Dopp did _not_ complain about the guy fighting in red stance until _after_ the guy stopped the duel to whine about the fact that Dopp was evading his attacks. Moreover, Dopp didn't refuse to fight the guy just because he fought in red. He simply evaded as he saw fit, as he said. The other guy, to the contrary, severed the duel because he couldn't score a hit on Dopp. _That_'s rude. It's okay to sever a duel--"Sorry, gotta go [whatever]"--but simply getting into a duel and then severing because he can't win is rude. Dopp's "whining" about the guy fighting in red came to this: "That's fine with me. It makes for a boring fight but ok!" There's quite a contrast between that and severing a duel because one is outclassed. Note also his opponent's whine "Are you going to run away or are you going to fight?" If Dopp's account is accurate--I wasn't there so I don't know--then that's a hell of a thing for a guy to say after he's been nailed with three good yellow counters. And again, Dopp didn't stop the fight to complain about the way his opponent fought; his opponent stopped the fight to complain about the way Dopp fought, i.e. to complain that Dopp fought better. I will say to Dopp: I suspect you would have won a lot more support from people here if you hadn't complained at all about his fighting only in red, either here or during the duel. When he complained about your "running away" you could simply have patiently explained to him the concept of "evading" and pointed out that you'd gotten three good hit on him and therefore were not "running away." You annoyed Whisper and others here by making an issue of the guy's fighting in red, when the _real_ issue is that he severed a duel simply because he was losing. Incidentally, I sometimes fight in all-red. Other times--especially if I have a six-pack of beer handy--I lunge-whore all night. But I won't sever a duel just because I'm losing. If my opponent's style is "lame" I will end the fight by beating him, and if I can't then his style is obviously _not_ lame. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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