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..PJ.. - Student  |
I logged onto JA home earlier today, was good fun etc etc. Someone called "Padawan" was playing, and refused to tell me his/her/it's name. I'm aware that the rules state that you do not need to wear your JA name on the servers (BTW, I feel strongly that this needs to be changed, having "you can't impersonate other JA members" is NOT enough.) but just saying "I am a JA member" but not saying who is just a LITTLE BIT SUSPICIOUS. I've seen this happen before, I don't want people who aren't in the academy on our servers. Furthermore, just because you may not have seen it happen before does NOT give you the right to put me down about how I think while I was on the server. A big thank you goes out to those who were on the server earlier today. I hate to rant, no really, I do but I can't sit back and watch the academy fall into this state of "I'm right and you're wrong" crap. If someone has reason to believe there is a strong violation of the rules, then I for one will help them get to the bottom of it, rather than say "you're not staff, no one has to answer to you." Good day to you, Ladies and Gentleman. _______________ JK2 pwnz0rs JK3. |
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Aron - Retired 
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Just for your information, the Padawan was a staff member (and no, it was not me). I'd highly discourage students to do this, because it simply has no use and will only result in events like these. Personally, I AM against students not revealing their names, wether it be to students or staff members should not matter at all. HOWEVER, staff members do often connect as Padawan, and creating a rule that requires everyone to identify, no matter who asks, would obviously expose the staff members amongst the students very quickly. Like I said before: I highly discourage students to do this. If this SHOULD happen again, and you feel the need for clarity, ask a staff member as they are the ones that should handle security issues if needed. Of course, student help is much appreciated and very welcome, but all the help you can offer in cases like these is asking the question and - if no reply is given - taking it to a staff member. |
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..PJ.. - Student 
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Right, so because I don't wear a JAK tag, I should be ignored. Wow, nice attitude we now have here. Funnely enough, it pretty much was the same as the attitude of the other people on the server. So much for respect for your fellow students. I was genuinely concerned about this, but if you just want to keep on bringing up the fact that they have the right to be anonymous, even though I have already addressed this on a couple of occaisions, well then good day to you, there is clearly nothing more we can say here since i'm just a lowly JAS. _______________ JK2 pwnz0rs JK3. |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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Quote: Anyone who chooses not to reveal their name has the right to do so, if they wish to ignore you they also have the right to do so. If a JAK+ comes in, it would be smart for them to answer, but they can private tell that JAK. If a person wants to remain anonymous it is their choice to do so. We as the JA, cannot force people to have certain names. If we did, we wouldn't be allowing people the freedom to be called what they wish. That is one of the reasons why JAS is an optional tag, along with JAP. Quote: If a staff member asks what your Academy name is you will have to tell them. Failure to do so will result in a kick or ban. This is to ensure that we don't get intruders on the servers. Doesn't that contradict? No. _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Hitokiri - Student 
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Quote: Anyone who chooses not to reveal their name has the right to do so, if they wish to ignore you they also have the right to do so. If a JAK+ comes in, it would be smart for them to answer, but they can private tell that JAK. If a person wants to remain anonymous it is their choice to do so. We as the JA, cannot force people to have certain names. If we did, we wouldn't be allowing people the freedom to be called what they wish. That is one of the reasons why JAS is an optional tag, along with JAP. Quote: If a staff member asks what your Academy name is you will have to tell them. Failure to do so will result in a kick or ban. This is to ensure that we don't get intruders on the servers. Doesn't that contradict? Contradict? Not at all. I said we can't force them to use certain names, but they still have to tell a JAK+ what their name is, if it is in doubt. While it has to be clarified with a JAK+ if they ask, it doesn't have to be told to all, rather just told to the JAK+ with a /tell in console. The person can then keep their name secret from the rest if they choose to do so. They can't be forced to use their forum name, but may be forced to tell a JAK+ if they are under suspicion of not being a member by the JAK+. Quote: Hito, do I not also have the right to be concerned about the academy's welfare? I might not be the most well known person ever to have walked here, but i've been here a while, and it matters to me when people are being rude. I understand perfectly that the person in question had a right to stay anonymous, and I respect that right (I know it mightn't sound like it, but I do) and while they mightn't have to answer to me, it's respectful to do so. I mentioned why I was asking for their name, and stated that it was out of good intention. It only really really became suspicious when I was answered with either "I'm me" or nothing at all. I have done stuff like that many times before, except on my old clan servers. If they choose to answer "I'm me" then just let them be, if it's obvious they do not wish to reveal their identity. And what's this with being concerned with the academy's welfare? You act like this is a HUGE problem, and as if people are not allowed to be anonymous, despite you saying you are ok with it. If you are ok with people deciding to be anonymous, then why is a thread devoted to the single topic of people showing up in the server and staying anonymous? I have had bad days before, where I stayed anonymous because I wasn't in the mood to deal with anyone. Maybe this person just wished to be left alone, but you kept annoying him. While it may be respectful to answer, people don't have to answer just because you asked. Edit - Sorry for such a long post, half of it is quoting. _______________ Ph34r m1 1337 5k1llz! This comment was edited by Hitokiri on Jul 12 2005 07:29pm. |
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JK13 /// jaws. - Student 
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In my opinion i think students should be able to wear any name they wish (nothing vulgar or innapropriate of course) and of course the JAK+ should be able to tell people to tell them the name they have on the site, thats fine. However i dissagree with the tactic of JAK+ waiting around the server under a psudonym in order to catch troublemakers and punish them.... I think it would be a more effective tactic to wear your real name and simply avert the trouble all together.  _______________ It's a false hologram, it IS artificial... |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Quote: Anyone who chooses not to reveal their name has the right to do so, if they wish to ignore you they also have the right to do so. If a JAK+ comes in, it would be smart for them to answer, but they can private tell that JAK. If a person wants to remain anonymous it is their choice to do so. We as the JA, cannot force people to have certain names. If we did, we wouldn't be allowing people the freedom to be called what they wish. That is one of the reasons why JAS is an optional tag, along with JAP. Quote: If a staff member asks what your Academy name is you will have to tell them. Failure to do so will result in a kick or ban. This is to ensure that we don't get intruders on the servers. Doesn't that contradict? |
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..PJ.. - Student 
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Hito, do I not also have the right to be concerned about the academy's welfare? I might not be the most well known person ever to have walked here, but i've been here a while, and it matters to me when people are being rude. I understand perfectly that the person in question had a right to stay anonymous, and I respect that right (I know it mightn't sound like it, but I do) and while they mightn't have to answer to me, it's respectful to do so. I mentioned why I was asking for their name, and stated that it was out of good intention. It only really really became suspicious when I was answered with either "I'm me" or nothing at all. and sup DM mate  Nah I'm not talking about it seeming to go down just through this incident alone, but through things I've heard, and the general attitude I've seen from time to time on the servers (although to be fair, it's still mostly a very friendly atmosphere) but I do worry about this place, even if I'm not that active, and I do notice when things aren't the way they used to be. I also realise fully that the JAK+ are aware of this, and I respect what they are doing to make sure this remains the cool place it always has been. I was just annoyed that I was treated like I didn't matter just because I didn't have that cool JAK tag. Ok, so I don't have the skills and (as you've seen here ) the patience that the JAK+ have, but I doubt that should mean I can't help in any way.-PJ _______________ JK2 pwnz0rs JK3. This comment was edited by ..PJ.. on Jul 12 2005 06:35pm. |
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Gradius - Ex-Student 
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Quote: PJ calm down matey. I know since ive been playing that people dont always wear their name and DO prefer to use the generic name "padawan". This isnt a violation of the rules in itself and i personally feel that its perfectly ok. If you do however feel that it could be a non-JA member dont hesitate to come grab a JAK+. We can check the IP to ensure that the person is indeed a JA member....or if not ban them from the server. If you'd like to talk a little about it, or if anything else is bothering you feel free to come chat to me on the forums, irc or msn Quote: Anyone who chooses not to reveal their name has the right to do so, if they wish to ignore you they also have the right to do so. If a JAK+ comes in, it would be smart for them to answer, but they can private tell that JAK. If a person wants to remain anonymous it is their choice to do so. We as the JA, cannot force people to have certain names. If we did, we wouldn't be allowing people the freedom to be called what they wish. That is one of the reasons why JAS is an optional tag, along with JAP. Quote: I'm on IRC nearly 24/7 if you need me. The answers to all of life's questions. Sorry for pulling a Squibit and quoting 59694774 things (j/k Squib  ). Fact is, you do have the right as a student to be cautious of non JA members being on the servers, and you do have the right to ask people for their JA names if they don't wear them. But that's as far as it goes. If someone refuses, all you can do is find a JAK+. People shouldn't have to wear their JA name 24/7, so we give you guys the right to do that. Even the JAK+ have that right. Now, as far as staying anonymous goes, I don't understand why people do it. Why join the server if you don't want people knowing who you are? And as far as the JA changing since the last time you were here Johnny, well, I'm not sure how long it's been for you honestly. I've been here for going on a year and a half now, and people have always done things like this. The community is alot bigger, and doesn't have the same types of people as there were when the JA first started. I really don't expect anything less. But yeah, it's good to see that you care enough to go through all of that Johnny, I used to when I was a student as well. I'm 100% against any non-members being on our servers. Just try not to go overboard with it. If someone refuses to give you their JA name, let it be and grab a JAK+. That's one thing we're here to do, solve problems that students themselves cannot solve. _______________ - Proud padawan of Kueller. - We really are at the beginning of it all. The trick, of course, is to make sure we never find the end. - Bill Bryson, A Short History of Nearly Everything - <gen-e-sis-happy> Liek, you can train, liek, a n00b, but he'll just be a trained n00b... --> Wise words! - "daer SOE me likes your a company i am having your some money for letting me do stuff cos mes the best amd i do it all meself" - Slider This comment was edited by Gradius on Jul 12 2005 06:00pm. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Hey PJ, i dig ya man always have, but dude, honestly. Watching the JA fall down, get worse, blah, blah , blah, all because someone wanted to remain anonymous? Come on dude, mountains out of mole hills bro, seriously. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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I'm on IRC nearly 24/7 if you need me. |
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Hitokiri - Student 
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Anyone who chooses not to reveal their name has the right to do so, if they wish to ignore you they also have the right to do so. If a JAK+ comes in, it would be smart for them to answer, but they can private tell that JAK. If a person wants to remain anonymous it is their choice to do so. We as the JA, cannot force people to have certain names. If we did, we wouldn't be allowing people the freedom to be called what they wish. That is one of the reasons why JAS is an optional tag, along with JAP. _______________ Ph34r m1 1337 5k1llz! |
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..PJ.. - Student
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The reason I was suspicious was because they were simply avoiding the question, and simply said nothing when I asked if they were even in the academy. Why hide from your fellow students? And meh, none of the JAK's are ever on And while I'm perfectly happy for people to change their names and such, refusing to answer whatsoever and quite frankly be rather cheeky, is something uncalled for, and I don't believe that I should have just let it go at the time, I'm only getting worked up for the academy's sake, I don't like this place being taken for a ride, and quite frankly some of the attitudes that I have seen of late have been "We come here because it's a nice FFA." _______________ JK2 pwnz0rs JK3. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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'Padawan' is the default value for your in-game name. Sometimes there are times when people feel the need to hide their name. But as Jaiko said, if you have a feeling they are a banned member, please don't hesitate to come find a JAK+. |
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SaZ - Student 
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why anyone would want anonimity? sorry im fool and cant understand _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Anonymity is a gift which some people choose to use on the servers. Is that so frowned upon? _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student
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the question is... why should you hide your name... are you shy of it? you hate your name? this brings a lot of thoughts... none of them makes sense tho  _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Jul 12 2005 03:45pm. |
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Eica - Student 
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I can't really grasp why people chose to be called padawan either to be honest, but like Jaiko said website names are not mandatory. _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Why do the people who refuse to tell their profile name have to be people who arnt in the academy? Or why is it even suspicious to not wear the profile name? The ones who prefer anonymity get accused of not beeing members of the academy which is imo far worse then not satisfying some students curiousity. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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PJ calm down matey. I know since ive been playing that people dont always wear their name and DO prefer to use the generic name "padawan". This isnt a violation of the rules in itself and i personally feel that its perfectly ok. If you do however feel that it could be a non-JA member dont hesitate to come grab a JAK+. We can check the IP to ensure that the person is indeed a JA member....or if not ban them from the server. If you'd like to talk a little about it, or if anything else is bothering you feel free to come chat to me on the forums, irc or msn Take Care matey -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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