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Ian Jandos - Student  |
I suppose there is not a clear cut answer to this. However, I'd like to see what opinions are out there. Obi-Wan and Anakin seemed to be an equal match, perhaps Anakin on flat ground might be better...but considering he lost his cool, perhaps that would happen in a different scenario as well. Dooku, a viable contender, but if Anakin could beat him, then he obviously doesn't rank at the top. Additionally, Palpatine, who diced several Jedi quickly could not dispatch Windu, even with force aiding him. Yoda, who held his own with Palpatine and Dooku did not demonstrate onscreen at least, the ability to land any blows. Whereas Windu was able to win his duel w/Palpatine. Then there are wild cards such as Darth Maul, Qui-Gon, and Luke Skywalker. Maul obviously was very talented, but did not prove he could overpower a youthful Obi-Wan with his saber alone. I wouldn't necessarily give Obi-Wan the advantage, but that brings up enough doubt for me to rank Maul out of contention. Qui-Gon-Jinn, obviously since he died, that kind of takes him down a notch as well. Luke, I would consider to be in the same boat as his father, with the exception that his lack of formal training would probably give him less rank. Sure he bested his father, but that victory came over a simply less capable saberist due to Vader's reliance of robotic limbs. Luke's "win" only came through rage more than say his control. Having said all of that, my vote is for Mace Windu. A solid, polished saberist, who should have been the one that ended the Sith. -Ian _______________ Member #7625 | Since 7.6.04 The Archives This post was edited by Ian Jandos on Jul 22 2005 10:13pm. |
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bono_bob - Student |
yeah.. lol if we wanna rate what duel was the most realistic, it would have to be what most star wars fans thought of the most retarded duel. The on in episode with darth vader vs obiwan.. where they stand there waiting for oppoment to make a mistake, making the occasional swing and parry, then Obiwan letting him self get defeated. Well at least I think that was a very strong repesentaion of two master swordsmen who are like dueling each other, compared to say some of the other duels. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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Ecks - Student 
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to bono... I know it loooked cheesy and lame. The Star Wars duels are THE most UNREALISTIC duels ever. A real swordsman would tear his hair out looking at the duels. It's not even funny how incredibly fake they are. So, you cannot accurately judge the best duelist by who they defeated, because it was obviously scripted. You can, however, judge the duelist by their style, because that is not affected by lamo scripting. Palps - A Sith Yoda in a sense, uses Ataru and Shien in a combination, hence his jumping prowess and his ability to fight many people at once. He is essentially a killer, not a duelist, since once the duel drags out, he loses his advantage - that is, killing people as fast as he can. Yoda - Ataru master. A speedster, down and through. Kind of like Manny Pacquiao, if anyone knows who that is. Pure devastation and speed. Like Palpatine, he relies on quickly neutralizing the opponent. However, Yoda seems to have a slight advantage over Palps in the fact that since he is smaller, if the duel drags on, he is still hard to hit. Windu - A purebred fighter. Not a duelist; there is a difference. His style is dedicated toward killing - not surviving. He relies on his offense to keep his opponent on the defense, so Windu doesn't have to defend. Dooku - Duelist. Every part of him screams duel. Precision, feints, thrusts, parries, and quick cuts make up his style. His objective is to keep his opponent in his comfort zone. As long as he can make his opponent do what he wants, he is the winner. Manipulation is his main train of thought. Obi-Wan - Survivalist, through and through. He doesn't want to kill, he just wants to win the fight with his life. He will rely on any sort of strategem or technique to win, like a ninja, in an odd sense. His style is all about surviving. And to Dachande... just because Dooku beat him once didn't mean he could beat him when the gloves came off. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." This comment was edited by Ecks on Oct 01 2005 09:18pm. |
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if u read the history of starwars..mace windu created the form 6 style of saber figthin...only 2 peopel could best him...thywe were...YODA and DOOKU.. so OBVIOSULY it CANNOT be windu...cuz dooku could of killed him... _______________ I don't wanna be the best, being the best doesn't mean I'm good...I wanna be perfect 'cause we always fall short, so if I aim for perfect I'll be good.... |
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bono_bob - Student |
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Quote: Alot of stuff I said was a bit based off books and a bit biased opinoin, of course I can qoute someone from the movie in episode two: (not going to be exacty qoute) "My master just doesn't understand me, he is a great master really, i am thankfull to have him, as powerfull as Mace Windu, and was wise as Yoda" (no im not saying obiwan was really that good, but im sure alot of people when hearing that line were thinking "what the crap you talking about? Yoda could pwn Mace Windu's butt" anyhow that is just my opinion ) Power. Does. Not. Guarantee. Victory. And Palps was the ultimate ownage in that duel. It's pretty obvious he let Windu win. There is no way that he could stab three people so bloody quickly and not win against Windu. About Anakin... Anakin knows very little about Jedi at the time. He's a Padawan in EP2. He has no clue about the extent of Yoda's power. He only sees face value, and that is Yoda's wisdom, not his warrior prowess. Quote: Alot of stuff I said was a bit based off books and a bit biased opinoin And right there... if your opinion is biased then you are not judging the facts... so I dunno if your argument is credible. Not saying it isn't, but if your opinion is biased, it's very hard to believe you. no power does not guranteed aanyhtign, and i said my opinon is biased, because everyone's opnion is biased in some way, i was simply admiting it, you thoughts pattern are manipulated somehow the way you are brought up. You can not in any way look at facts perferctly logically without some for of bias, other wise the world would be agreeing lot more of that was the cas. As for Sidous stabbign the jedi masters so quickly.. that was retarded in it self.. it actauly was really ridiculous and mace windu should of just chopped his head off.. in other words the Lucas shouldnt have eliminated the two jedi so quickly and cheesly.( I honestly thought i was watching dragon ball Z for a second ) Now about the power thing, i would like to qoute Sidous a power hungry arrogant character what eh said him self "My apprentice has surpasses both our power" ( ok not exactly that qoute, but he says something about the his apprentice being more powerfull than him self ) now there is the whole issue of well then Obiwan sure did a job well done not getting sliced and diced.. but obiwan was always famous for his speed ( again not something mentieond in the movies.. I will say that my self, an dI know some fans say only what happens in the movies says what matters, I don't blame then. My brother is actauly one of them. ) and anakin's pride was his downfall, along with hsi arrogance.. alow with being concinved teh dark side could save padma.. . along with being a complete idiot I tell you  _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) This comment was edited by bono_bob on Sep 29 2005 12:07am. |
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Quote: Alot of stuff I said was a bit based off books and a bit biased opinoin, of course I can qoute someone from the movie in episode two: (not going to be exacty qoute) "My master just doesn't understand me, he is a great master really, i am thankfull to have him, as powerfull as Mace Windu, and was wise as Yoda" (no im not saying obiwan was really that good, but im sure alot of people when hearing that line were thinking "what the crap you talking about? Yoda could pwn Mace Windu's butt" anyhow that is just my opinion ) Power. Does. Not. Guarantee. Victory. And Palps was the ultimate ownage in that duel. It's pretty obvious he let Windu win. There is no way that he could stab three people so bloody quickly and not win against Windu. About Anakin... Anakin knows very little about Jedi at the time. He's a Padawan in EP2. He has no clue about the extent of Yoda's power. He only sees face value, and that is Yoda's wisdom, not his warrior prowess. Quote: Alot of stuff I said was a bit based off books and a bit biased opinoin And right there... if your opinion is biased then you are not judging the facts... so I dunno if your argument is credible. Not saying it isn't, but if your opinion is biased, it's very hard to believe you. _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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SaZ - Student 
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yoda catching breath? lol! man you ever saw yoda catching breath in the movies? infact he was quite calm after the fight with sidious in ROTS episode. even if he was bashed quite a distance  _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: bono... about your quote on Yoda... I don't recall any of the other Jedi ever landing a single hit on Palpatine, either... all Windu did was kick Palps. And that duel lasted way longer than any of Yoda's duel. Who's to say that Yoda's furious assault didn't wear down the defenses of Dooku or Palps? Perhaps that is why BOTH of them resorted to cheap Force tactics to stave off Yoda, or else they would have been torn apart. Palps never had to use Force against Windu except to kill him, and that was after Windu was "disarmed" (hehehehe). umm im not talking about how good people did against palp and that, besides it was cheesy how palp stabbed two jedi effortlessly whiel the others just standed there anways. Alot of stuff I said was a bit based off books and a bit biased opinoin, of course I can qoute someone from the movie in episode two: (not going to be exacty qoute) "My master just doesn't understand me, he is a great master really, i am thankfull to have him, as powerfull as Mace Windu, and was wise as Yoda" (no im not saying obiwan was really that good, but im sure alot of people when hearing that line were thinking "what the crap you talking about? Yoda could pwn Mace Windu's butt" anyhow that is just my opinion ) _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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mmm... I'm still laying it off as Windu as the best saberist. i mean Yoda was running around with Ataru, and as bono says its for aerial acrobatics and all that other crap which one would think be impossible. And the case Yoda was OLD, if you're wondeirng what I'm on about just because he has the force doesnt mean he'll maintain the endurance of him at like 200 years old, he would tire, slow down and eventually he would have get swatte dout of the air. Windu, was young and 'durable', he used Juyo/Vaapad which uses undercurrents of emotion to feed his attacks and unpredictability, like Dooku's Makashi form it was created for use against someone with close combat weapon, most likely jedi as you don't see many mercenaries with vibroblades -_-. i'd bet if you stripped everyone of extreme force powers eg. force push and force lightning and not acrobatic feats, Windu would b da best. PS: still, the green ball of death p00ns Palpy! _______________ Sanity is for the weak -Let the madness consume you... I'ma moron, i'm the master of morons, i even got a club of morons... so how do u beat me at bein a moron?... and no, not by being u. Ex-Padawan of Chaos~ |
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SaZ - Student 
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hey bono. most of things u say are seems like some statements. ofcourse i can be wrong but with tone like that you should show us some examples. anyway whats up with power of the force and qui-gon? its pretty obvious that quigon is a jedi thus makin him not a power hungry biatch like that noob anakin. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Ecks - Student
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bono... about your quote on Yoda... I don't recall any of the other Jedi ever landing a single hit on Palpatine, either... all Windu did was kick Palps. And that duel lasted way longer than any of Yoda's duel. Who's to say that Yoda's furious assault didn't wear down the defenses of Dooku or Palps? Perhaps that is why BOTH of them resorted to cheap Force tactics to stave off Yoda, or else they would have been torn apart. Palps never had to use Force against Windu except to kill him, and that was after Windu was "disarmed" (hehehehe). _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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bono_bob - Student |
Quote: lol bono. qui-gon really wasnt the best at force use  i dont mean best at force as in " I am a lvl 50 jedi force focused user with lvl 500 force push " I mean wisdom of the force, a great jedi does not jsut make by how many midochondria you have, or what ever the crap it's called, and Quin gon did learn to master the power that really make everything else not matter as much.. life after death. *EDIT* ok I can be completely wrong btu all I said, but for all your short side flip green ball of death lovers.. yoda is not the best saberist, the flips and the green ball of death is actauly an officila example for somone who uses that certain style fo saber combat, (what was it number was it?) It basicly focused on the jedi on doing acrobatics thought to be impossible, by using the force, and doing alot of aerial stuff. It also has an aggressive flauntsy matter, to do this style of combat and not use a bit of emotion, master yoda even finds a bit hard. Of course with Yoda's huge midochlorian count and being really old ( imbuing him self with the force for combat) makes this style of combat natural for him. And it doesn't matter how fast you swing your saber, if you still can't manage to lay a single hit. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) This comment was edited by bono_bob on Sep 26 2005 09:40pm. |
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Eica - Student 
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Quote: Hey now that's a cool idea, have a thread sying who's the best saberist/jedi member here  Very, very bad idea. That is, If you were serious in the first place. agreed. i think discussions like those can lead to some bant members lol For confirmation, yes I was joking, I can predict that sort of outcome. NO ONE TAKE THAT POST BY ME SERIOUSLY, OK??? _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Hey now that's a cool idea, have a thread sying who's the best saberist/jedi member here Very, very bad idea. That is, If you were serious in the first place. agreed. i think discussions like those can lead to some bant members lol _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Hey now that's a cool idea, have a thread sying who's the best saberist/jedi member here Very, very bad idea. That is, If you were serious in the first place. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Eica - Student 
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Quote: Who is the Best Saberist in History ? Well it's gotta be aDM1rAL sp0CK!!!!!!!! obviouslyHey now that's a cool idea, have a thread sying who's the best saberist/jedi member here _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed |
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SaZ - Student
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lol bono. qui-gon really wasnt the best at force use _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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No it wasn't one of those, I'll do some research so I can get the name cos its really bothering me now I still think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. You can't judge someones saber skill by the amount of fights they've won, as this appears to be what you are doing, and coming to the conclusion of mace windu being the best, i.e. maul beats qui gon, obi beats maul, dooku beats obi, anakin beats dooku etc You can't judge it that way. It says in the 'episode III' visual dictionary that the greatest saberist in the jedi temple (by this I'm assuming the whole jedi order) was one of the people I listed. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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bono_bob - Student |
ok first of all THE BEST SABERIST IN HISTORY is probally not even in the list and is some guy who existed long ago. But the best listed I woul dhav eot say is Mace Windu. Yoda was simply the best overall for force and sabering while Quin gon Jin was best for force use but sucked at sabering compared to some other jedi masters. Ther was this also other guy you didn't list, which was a major saber teacher who was over analystic and had the most saber knowledge, but didn't use it as praticle has Mace Windu was able to ( he wasn't able to effectivel use his information as others ) which is why Mace Windu of that time, was like the best saberist, that is why he was taking on Sidous. _______________ "Darkness is simply the absence of Light" "Is it not easier to snuff out the light completely than to make no shadow or darknes at all and create pure light?" "Is there a limit to Light?" - Jawa Jedi from a galaxy far far way of the one Lucas describes ( not in that galaxy ) |
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Luke Skywalker - Student 
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Quote: The greatest jedi duelist in history was.....dammnit I can't remember his name. We used to have a JAK here in the old JKII days which had the same name, some old schooler help me out here!! Hmm, only ones I can think of are Mace Windu and Eeth Koth, but hey. They any of those? _______________  Luke Skywalker
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: yeah. and thats why ppl create movies like 'Muai thai warrior' or ..... STAR WARS You most likely mean the movie Ong Bak with Tony Jaa. .... and it's spelled Muay... *cough* yeah my bad...i watched it like ages ago so heheh  _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Quote: yeah. and thats why ppl create movies like 'Muai thai warrior' or ..... STAR WARS You most likely mean the movie Ong Bak with Tony Jaa. .... and it's spelled Muay... _______________ PSN: Argantes XBL: Ravencloak My destiny lies where my fate leads me... |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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I'm surprised buzz hasn't posted in this forum The best saberist in the prequel era was supposedly one of the following: Stass Allie Shaak Ti or more likely Cin Drallig (these were taken from the episode III visual dictionary) Sith lord Tulak Hord was supposedly the greatest duelist in the sith order ever The greatest jedi duelist in history was.....dammnit I can't remember his name. We used to have a JAK here in the old JKII days which had the same name, some old schooler help me out here!! _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Ecks - Student
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Yea... Bruce Lee wasn't the best. He was good in the sense that he created Jeet Kune Do, a VERY, VERY, effective martial art, but in terms of his pragmatism, not that great. If you want a great martial artist, you'd have to go to some underground fighting rings, or just watch UFC or K-1. Some of those guys... damn. They could take on a whole gang of thugs and win. They control the fight like a chess match... great stuff to watch. However... I can't say much about them in terms of personality... most are cops or come from violent backgrounds.  _______________ "To become a greater man, you must be a lesser one first." |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Heh heh... are you sure Muay Thai warriors aren't thugs The thing with martial arts though is.... you're either the best or you suck. Thugs can fight and they don't have to be the best, but they fight with such aggression that they don't have to. Only the very, very best people in the world can keep a calm mind against thugs. Control CAN beat power... just that it takes almost superhuman amounts of it. nah i meant a movie called 'Muai thai warrior' about a good guy who deffinetly kicks ass and well it forced me to think 'Is Bruce Lee really THAT good?'. and yeah this thread is goin somewhere... really not offtopic. its just shows that we now know some of best saberist qualities. self control , knowledge how to kill etc. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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tbh. bruce lee is teh king. he knocked a guy 7 foot with one of his side kicks... bruce lee > dooku _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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