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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I just want to know if we are a religious people here at the JA. So what religion do you belive in if any? Personally I don't belive in it, but what are your opinion, and why do you belive in it if you do so?
One rule: DO NOT USE THIS TOPIC AS A HOLY WAR BETWEEN RELIGIONS, this is stricktly for telling why you belive in that particular religion. This post was edited by Jacen Aratan on Mar 19 2003 02:33am. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
THIS is what you revived my topic for? Lol....  |
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Eclipse DKana - Student 
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scary lian  oh and bizznatch why dont you lock the room where the pc is in when you're on  |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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Your mom's FIANCE?! Who does he think he is?! Call me down to your house and I'll flash my sexiness and he'll die.  Now then.. /me powders herself /me pets her spider _______________ slorp |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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L I A N I O T T E!!!!!!!!!!!!! Check the friggen "How to say my name" post in the Crazy Discussion then you wouldn't bother me. _______________ slorp |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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btw, if there is a god he hates me and has a mean sense of irony story- ok i got into a fight with my moms fiance over cleaning my room, and he wouldnt let me use the comp. so after we fight, i clean my room, bow my head and ask ta go on the comp, but then he bes a bitch about it becuz i yelled at him, and wouldnt let me go on, and we have a bigger fight. so now im in my room, and i wanna listen ta som music ta get over it, like rock for anger or emo for depression , but what is the only cd i have in my room?MY Sister's NEW GOOD CHARLOTTE CD!!!! bah, i cried when i came upon this realization. sure i think there ok, but cmon, they sing all happy pop songs _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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lol lianette im not even gonna bother spellin hmmm...i dont think that gods a person that you can name and see, if anythin, it would be somethin that you feel and influences you. to me god is those things that make you feel all warm and mushy inside. a smile from a cute girls, sitting under a tree on a beautiful day, listening to the soothin patter of rain on your roof, just laying down and a nice couch after a long day, those damn good homemade warm mushy cookies mmmmmm... yummm, etc.... (goes to get cookies) _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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Lian Del Rey - Student
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Although I don't act it in the servers, I'm sort of gothic. That's why my skin was COMPLETELY pale (to people who remember from the oldbie ages.) But hey, there's a God. There's evidence all around us. How do explain Pokemon, pizza, cheese, cowlicks, 99 cent stores... And what about those crop signs that appear overnight? *looks at DJ's legs* Gah! There's one now! I'm going to go pet my spider now. /me puts on black lipstick Bah forget this /me takes a shower and flashes her sexiness I don't know, I'm split in half. I'm gothic, I'm also sexy funny. Has nothing to do with the topic, but oh well. _______________ slorp |
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Nemesis Nova - Student 
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Personnally i don't think we as humans are meant to pray...but If anyone played the game Black and White on PC you'll see that in the concept there's a bit of philosophy thats says that if you believe in a God or upper-being he will exist but if you don't he doesn't why? because if you think theres a god up you head directing your life and HELPING you out you'll do great and you'll think he HELPS you whenever something good happens. If you think theres no god you'll just think that it's your fault if you fail/succeed at something...it's all a question of perception. <--Nova--> _______________ Stop with the stupid sigs would you? Yea sure, why not, i'll stop asking myself things too... |
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FaDed - Student 
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BUMP! |
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Gabba - Ex-Student 
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Fish _______________ Sit vis nobiscum. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Actually there is a theory about how Moses divided the Red Sea. When the Bible were getting translated they forgot an "e" in reed sea (who divides naturally) and it became the Red Sea... |
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Carve - Student 
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It's important to remember that the bible and, as far as I know, all holy scriptures were written by men. Men, guided or not, make mistakes. Translations can have errors, things can be misunderstood. One thing that gets me though.
If you study many religions, they're all practically the same, just with a few adjustments to fit with the culture. That's one bloody enormous coincidence, if you ask me. Another thing: People seem convinced that God is some guy subject to emotions and whatnot. Um.. yeah... I don't think so. Another thing: There's no such thing as a bad thing. Everything is an experience to learn, everybody has their purpose. Everybody accomplishes something in their life. Just because one doesn't understand or see a purpose doesn't mean it's NOT there. It may be the sole purpose of starving and suffering people to teach us things. It may be MY soul purpose to be shot and killed, and create a governmental upheaval. Who knows. But there's purpose behind it and everybody's life. Religion -is- abstract, it isn't cut and dry; people seem to forget that. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Apr 04 2003 08:20pm. |
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God ? Sure, there's a god. There's a god if he is believed in. |
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Sniya - Student 
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Why i think God never gives us evidence is just this if he gave us evidence all would believe.He wants us to just take a leap _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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don't worry, i'm keeping an eye on this thread because i know it can explode... i'm extremely impressed how calm everyone's discussions have been though. it'll die at some point, probably when we all decide we have nothing else to say without causing a fight... it's better to agree to disagree than disagree about agreeing
oh, and one more thing... i think all christian's should read the book "confessions" by St. Augustine. No matter what church you come from, he serves as the secular basis for a lot of what Christians believe... he basically built the Catholic faith, the Protestant faiths believe in a lot of what he says (faith over reason mainly), and for my fellow Mormons (what up faded), he indirectly caused the Great Apostasy because a lot of people only listened to the stuff he got wrong and ignored the stuff he got right. _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me This comment was edited by doobie on Mar 28 2003 07:49am. |
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FaDed - Student 
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and there's nothing wrong with that MoS. the point of this thread is to see why or why not people believe in a god. this is a thread where you can share your opinions and beliefs and learn about others. nothing in here is meant to be offensive. but if you don't like it or can't handle the content, you don't have to read it. |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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I'd also like to get this thread closed.
I typed up a long, very "defensive" post which I reconsidered and did not post. I like everyone here, but some posts are leaning towards: God does/can't exist because... _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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FaDed - Student
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this is a long one, but this is faith.
Alma 32 - A Chapter On Faith 1 And it came to pass that they did go forth, and began to preach the word of God unto the people, entering into their synagouges, and into their houses; yea, and even they did preach the word in their streets. 16 Therefore, blessed are they who humble themselves without being compelled to be humble; or rather, in other words, blessed is he that believeth in the word of God, and is baptized without stubbornness of heart, yea, without being brought to know the word, or even compelled to know, before they will believe. 17 Yea, there are many who do say: If thou wilt show unto us a sign from heaven, then we shall know of a surety; then we shall believe. 18 Now I ask, is this faith? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; for if a man knoweth a thing he hath no cause to believe, for he knoweth it. 21 And now as I said concerning faith--faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true. 26 Now, as I said concerning faith--that it was not a perfect knowledge--even so it is with my words. Ye cannot know of their surety at frist, unto perfection, any more than faith is a perfect knowledge. 27 But behold, if ye will awake and arouse your faculties, even to an expirement upon my words, and excercise a particle of faith, yea, even if you can no more than desire to believe, let this desire work in you, even until ye believe in a manner that ye can give place for a portion of my words. 28 Now, we will compare the word unto a seed. Now, if ye give place, that a seed my be planted in your heart, behold, if it be a true seed, or a good seed, if ye do not cast it out by your unbelief, that ye will resist the Spirit of the Lord, behold, it will begin to swell within your breasts; and when you feel these swelling motions, ye will begin to say within yourselves--It must needs be that this is a good seed, or that the word is good, for it beginneth to enlarge my soul; yea, it beginneth to enlighten my understanding, yea, it beginneth to be delicious to me. 29 Now behold, would not this increase your faith? I say unto you, Yea; nevertheless it hath not grown to a perfect knowledge. 30 But behold, as the seed swelleth, and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow,then you must needs say that the seed is good; for behold it swelleth, and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow. And now, behold, will not this strengthen your faith? Yea, it will strengthen your faith; for ye will say I know that this is a good seed; for behold it sprouteth and beginneth to grow. 31 And now, behold, are ye sure that this is a good seed? I say unto you, Yea; for every seed bringeth forth unto its own likeness. 32 Therefore, if a seed groweth it is good, but if it groweth not, behold it is not good, therefore it is cast away. 33 And now, behold, because ye have tried the expirement, and planted the seed, and it swelleth and sprouteth, and beginneth to grow, ye must needs know that the seed is good. 34 And now, behold, is your knowledge perfect? Yea, your knowledge is perfect in that thing, and your faith is dormant; and this because you know, for ye know that the word hath swelled your souls, and ye also know that it hath sprouted up, that your understanding doth begin to be enlightened, and your mind doth begin to expand. 35 O then, is not this real? I say unto you, Yea, because it is light; and whatsoever is light, is good, because it is discernible, therefore ye must now that it is good; and now behold, after ye have tasted this light is your knowledge perfect? 36 Behold I say unto you, Nay; neither must ye lay aside your faith, for ye have only excercised your faith to plant the seed that ye might try the expirement to know if the seed was good. 37 And behold, as the tree beginneth to grow, ye will say: Let us nourish it with great care, that it may get root, that it may grow up, and bring forth fruit unto us. And now behold, if ye nourish it with much care it will get root, and grow up, and bring forth fruit. 38 But if ye neglect the tree, and take no thought for its nourishment, behold it will not get any root; and when the heat of the sun cometh and scorcheth it, because it hath no root it withers away, and ye pluck it up and cast it out. 39 Now, this is not because the seed was not good, neither is it because the fruit thereof would not be desirable; but it is because your ground is barren, and ye will not nourish the tree, therefore ye cannot have the fruit thereof. 40 And thus, if ye will not nourish the word, looking forward with an eye of faith to the fruit thereof, ye can never pluck of the fruit of the tree of life. 41 But if ye will nourish the word, yea, nourish the tree as it beginneth to grow, by your faith with great diligence, and with patience, looking forward to the fruit thereof, it shall take root; and behold it shall be a tree springing up unto everlasting life. 42 And because of your diligence and your faith and your patience with the word in nourishing it, that it may take root in you, behold, by and by ye shall pluck the fruit thereof, which is most precious, which is sweet above all that is sweet, and which is white above all that is white, and pure above all that is pure; and ye shall feast upon this fruit even until ye are filled, the ye hunger not, neither shall ye thirst. 43 Then, my brethren, ye shall reap the rewards of your faith, and your diligence, and patience, and long-suffering, waiting for the tree to bring forth fruit unto you. i hope this helps. 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SirBizNatch - Student
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yea i never got the whole faith thing either. i mean theres not alot of proof. ya got the bible, but we dont know if its true. then peopel say that you dont need proof to believe in god you jus need faith. if religion is based on that, i could believe in the ghostbusters (love thta movie).
my idea is that if god did not give people a clue that he is here, hes not doing such a great job. i read a book in which noah and atlantis are jus stories whose origin is forgotten. noah came from a guy whose village was flooded and only he survived, and his village sank, aka atlantis. religion is sumthing that will mess with ur head. if there is a god he cant give us proof because his whole existence is based on faith, and proof denies faith. but how do we know thta there is no god? very confusing. btw got most of the ideas from hitchhiker's guide to the universe-you should def read. great book. _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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Mistral - Ex-Student 
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Well said!
I too have trouble with the idea of cosmic superheroes watching over us from outer space but I respect others beliefs. Most religions have strong moral values that we can all learn from. Anybody want to comment on that thing called faith? I don't mean to be disrespectful but what's the difference between faith and blind faith? |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Right, I could be here all day telling you why you're all wrong, then you'd spend all of tomorrow telling me how I'm wrong about you all being wrong. The fact is, it doesn't really matter what you believe in.
Personally, i'm not religious,but if anyone asks, I say I'm a jedi. The whole idea of one phat force type thing binding everything together does seem pretty kool. The bible and that. Kudos to you people who believe it all and stuff, but don't you find some of the stuff just a tiny bit far fetched ? And how do you know that the whole jesus thing, and noah and that existed ? You're taking someones word for it surely. At the end of the day, everyone feels something, whether they pass it off as deja-vu, they have an itch, or get paranoid and see things happen, or my fave, but scary : hear voices. Its all the same, theres a greater power out there and a reason for existence, the difference of relgions is just how you define, refer and choose to interpret the same thing. some say theres one god, some say theres 5 gods, its not important, all that is, is that you're alive (now we're straying from relgion to phylosophy, and I'm not going there  ). Lifes to short to worry about what other people think. Do your own thing, live free, think free. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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FaDed - Student
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of course it's a dangerous subject. whenever people are called on to defend their beliefs, there's always potential for conflict. but because the academy is based on respect for one another, and that we have all agreed to abide by the rules, this discussion should be completely safe. |
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Sniya - Student 
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Hmm religion is a beautiful thing which is used for evil things.Never take religion to be a reasonto harm or be anthing but friendly to your fellow man.Trust me religion is half the reason my country is messed up.
First to state my position i believe in God im a christien(no need to be more specific) i believe both evololution and adam an eve tihng are wrong. ok is God cruel if he existed.When abrham asaked who God was at the burning bush he replied "I am" meaning as some have interpeted that he was all of what you would descripe as a human.he is brave,he is happy,he is sad etc.When people use the argument that God is wrong for that he alows suffering this anoys me.ITS OUR BLOODY FAULT.We are why the starving do not have enough to eat,we are why millions die of diseases,we are why peple are killed by people.God gave us free will,he wants us to do what is right. Why do i believe in God because i think he answered my prayers in times of need.Mabey he didnt mabey it was coincidence,but mabey he did. As for evolution-the evolution theory fits but dosnt make sense when it comes down to paper.(Bit of a contradiction )and the bible story dose not only not completely fit but also the bible is full of parables and mabey the creation sotry is just that.To thurther back up my point take the "Tower of bable"[genesis 11] i found this story i had never heard of when looking for abraham for an RE project.It tells of a time shortly after the time of noahs flood that the people all of spoke one language tried to build a tower to the heavens but failed as God who knew those who spoke the same language could not be stopped from completing thier task confused thier languages.Of course the problem is we have reached past the sky and discovered that space is there not the heavens.So that story makes no sense.A lot of people refuse to even contomplate the bible not being strickly what its says on paper.When in first year we did an RE unit on "Evolution".Which was really "Creationist propoganda Sesion".Instead of what i had hoped a disscussion on which side was right mabey starting with learning what the theory of evolution is(i already had a good grasp of it after reding a horrible science book on it) it was disscusion plainly aimed and backed up to support the creationist side.Whatsmore the teacher clearly did not understand the theory and i spent a great deal of my time trying to argue back pro evolution.And the thing that really bugs me was the fact that people dispised my view as if"How dare you question the bible?"Probably the most
useful info i got on the evolutionist side was from my math teacher,a real good man who had a lot of honest and valid opinions when it was mentioned in class.The next day he brought me in a video(very creationist) which had scientific sencible points pro creationist which has got me sitting on the fence now on this argument. The whole holy trinity thing was well explained by saint patrick when he was explaining it to a pagan chieftain.He picked up a shamrock and used it as an example.See it got 3 parts but it is the same plant.(hence the irish shamrocck conection) Personly id prefer this disscusison to be shut down its a dangerous topic. WTF did i just right this much??????? _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 This comment was edited by Sniya on Mar 27 2003 10:25pm. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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the holy ghost is part of the Godhead, and is basically the way in which God communicates with us... the holy ghost (or spirit) gives us prompting and acts kind of as the medium through which our prayers reach God.
btw, Lew, you too? that makes three LDSers! _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Mistral - Ex-Student 
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I believe that Ghostbusters are real!
And since I believe in it, it must be true .
Who ya gonna call... |
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