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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I just want to know if we are a religious people here at the JA. So what religion do you belive in if any? Personally I don't belive in it, but what are your opinion, and why do you belive in it if you do so?
One rule: DO NOT USE THIS TOPIC AS A HOLY WAR BETWEEN RELIGIONS, this is stricktly for telling why you belive in that particular religion. This post was edited by Jacen Aratan on Mar 19 2003 02:33am. |
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TiTo (inactive) - Student 
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BLADE, plz stop spamming... i'll tell whisper... _______________ Not back yet... I'll come one day, I hope... The madman formerly (and still) known as Tito! Coming to take back my title as "Most insane 'person' in the JA" It's the bizzi, wizza, jizzi, Wizzil, Bizon, wizzay, Wizzat, fizzil ¶°TiTo°¶ - All work and no play makes Tito burn the bacon!  - Officially cured from spamming!!!
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Blade - Ex-Student 
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Conshleberasti shlanderfall blestready.
rhymtheismia, Blademer. |
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Jedi_Wing - Ex-Student 
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Its the same thing. _______________ http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=159 http://www.thejediacademy.net/show_profile.php?f_id=1386 |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I am not sure but is it the Holy Spirit? But I am no theologist so don't burn me. |
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Mistral - Ex-Student 
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Yeah, lots of stuff written here I've never heard before. Cool .
One question I have is who or what is the "holy ghost"? |
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FaDed - Student 
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interesting Lew...i don't know if i've seen that before  |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Thanks for the view into your religion Lew. I can not say i believe in it, but it was interresting to read. |
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Master Lew - Student 
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I hope the following will help you understand and give you enlightenment in what you seek. I’m in no way attempting to preach or shove my religion at anyone. This is just meant to give whoever is interested some information.
Remember that all that is good comes or is inspired from God. All that is evil or bad comes or is inspired from Satan. God allows us our ‘free agency’ to chose for ourselves what actions we make. Mankind causes the suffering here on Earth. It is up to us to resolve the conflicts that we cause. Basic beliefs You may have questions about what members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe. Some of the basic beliefs of the Church are: · God is our Heavenly Father. He loves us and wants us to return to Him. · Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is our Savior. He redeems us from death by providing the Resurrection. He saves us from sin as we repent. · Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can return to live with God if we keep His commandments. · The Holy Ghost helps us to recognize truth. · The first principles and ordinances of the gospel are faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism, and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. · The Church of Jesus Christ has been restored to the earth. · The priesthood authority of God exists in His Church today, just as it did in the original Church. · The Bible and the Book of Mormon are the word of God. · God reveals His will to prophets today, just as He did anciently. · Our life has a sacred purpose. · Families can be together forever. · Through serving others, we can experience joy and draw closer to God. Summary of beliefs Joseph Smith was asked about the basic beliefs of the Church. He summarized the teachings and doctrines in 13 basic points which are known as The Articles of Faith of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are: 1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. 2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression. 3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. 4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. 5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof. 6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth. 7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth. 8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. 9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. 10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon this the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory. 11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. 12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. 13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul — We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. _______________ Brick Assassin for Hire Here, have a brick! 
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FaDed - Student 
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for my friend MoS -
Alma 12:21-23 21) What does the scripture mean, which saith that God placed cherubim and a flaming sword on the east of the garden of Eden, lest our first parents should enter and partake of the fruit of the tree of life, and live forever? And thus we see that there was no possible chance that they should live forever. 22) Now Alma said unto him: This is the thing which I was about to explain. Now we see that Adam did fall by the partaking of the forbidden fruit, according to the word of God; and thus we see, that by his fall, all mankind became a lost and fallen people. 23) And now behold, I say unto you that if it had been possible for Adam to have partaken of the fruit of the tree of life at that time, there would have been no death, and the word would have been void, making God a liar, for he said: If thou eat though shalt surely die. hope this clears up any confusion. |
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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i was baptized protestant, but then crossed over ta catholic early on, but now im deist-borderline-atheist. one thing that gets me bout religoin is if god is everywhere and knows what we do, why do we go to church and need ta be relieved of our sins? he's sposed ta love us and all of this stiff so i dont understand the point of church. then im not sure if i believe in god or not so im jus gonna leave it at thta.
another thing that i dont like is parents raising their children in a certain religion. to me it sounds a bit like brainwashing, or drilling it into childrens heads when they are the most impressionable and hav no free will. i like baptists, cuz they let the children grow up believing in god, and then let them choose their OWN religion when the are old enough. a questiion to ponder: would you be the same religion as you are now if you were not raised that way? so if anything, im a cross between atheism (kinda skeptical), deism(dont understand church), and baptist(people should hav free choice). and i kno thta the atheism kinda contradicts the deism and baptist. _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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NofrikinfuN - Retired 
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I was raised as a christian, but upon growing up and thinking a little about things, I started to make some of my own conclusions about religion.
The main points of religion are these: People want to believe there is something after they die. This is what comforts them in their final moments. People want to believe that someone out there forgives and cares for them. People want something to tell them what is or isn't right, because sometimes, it's hard to tell the difference. It is my belief that no "Bible" *Or whatever texts your religion follows* is to be taken literally. They are merely books of parables, thought problems. Adam and Eve are asked not to eat the fruit and they allow themselves to be coaxed into it. They were wrong for doing it and they were punished. Not to be taken literally, you see. Don't argue religion to hard guys. Any and all of us could be wrong.  |
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FaDed - Student
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of course neither one of us is wrong MoS. we are only talking about one set of scripture: the Bible. let me give you an analogy (a favorite mormon past time ).
you take a 2x4 and nail it into another board. just one nail. you can take that 2x4 and turn it in any direction that you like. it will spin in a complete circle. but then, you take another nail and drive it through the 2x4. it doesn't matter where you nail it the second time, because now the 2x4 can not spin. it is held fast in one specific, undeniable direction. analysis: we were given the Bible our god's holy prophets. they were inspired by him and wrote his word for us to have in this day. but because of the wickedness of this world, those prophets disappeared. either by death or by commandment of our lord. but the transfer of light and knowledge from heaven to earth ceased. men, without the spirit of god to help them, took these writings and tried to understand them. each man with his own interpretation of each verse in the Bible. hence thousands of different versions of the Holy Bible. but because god is wise and just, he had other prophets write his word in a seperate book. this book, the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ, was translated, by the power of god, by a man, Joseph Smith. the Book of Mormon's purpose was and still is to supplement and support the teachings contained within the Holy Bible. they compliment each other. they teach the same truths. you have the first nail: Holy Bible. and then the second: Book of Mormon. "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." -Articles of Faith No. 8- |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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well, I dont like the thought of a somehow higher entity is able to control all happenings in the universe.
If in any, I believe in physics. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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Directed to Faded:
"It is quite evident that before Adam and Eve sinned theirs was not a physical or sexual relationship. The Forgotten Books of Eden tell us that God, the Father, had desired to bring forth children of Light from both of them (perhaps in the same manner as Eve was brought from Adam). But when they committed sexual sin; they were reduced to a purely physical plane of reproduction (Gen. 3:16); they lost their aura or "glory" and were driven out of Eden. They were no longer children of light, free from toil and pain and death." Yeah, so niether one of us is wrong as scripture is open to various interpretations. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. This comment was edited by MINDofSIN on Mar 22 2003 02:02am. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
JW, I have just been wondering for some time now wether people here was as religious as I thought or if they would surprise me and say "we don't belive in him". After the first few replys I was very surprised and didn't thought there were as many religious people here as I thought, until Faded showed up.
Btw I must mention how proud of you all I am. You haven't started a Holy War yet and I take that as a good sign. Mature you are. Or maybe the troublemakers haven't been here yet? Well, Whisper, so far it haven't been a catastrophe like you were afraid it would be. |
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Vaughn - Student 
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im more of a no religion guy. as in, i dont practice any religion. But, 3 religions i became interested in over the past 2 weeks are Shinto, Buddism and Zen
Edit: i found my error. Zen technically isnt a religion. _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson This comment was edited by Vaughn on Mar 21 2003 12:15am. |
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Mistral - Ex-Student
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WTF???
God isn't a giant sitting on a cloud? What do you mean by that? Of course he is! Evolution is impossible? Give it a few hundred millenia and we'll see. Species change over time, who knows what we'll be like then. And in which part of the bible were dinosaurs mentioned? Why were they missed out? I personally don't rate the bible much. Sure, the story's ok but some of the characters and events are a little far fetched. Revelations was the best part, very exciting. Their are better books out there though. I'm just happy God created cannabis! This comment was edited by Mistral on Mar 21 2003 12:54am. |
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Jedi_Wing - Ex-Student 
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I say there is and I really dont know what to call
my beliefes like what kind. Uhm.. as far as explaining I think that "God" is the one that created the earth and built us and instead of forcing us to do as he wants to do as we want and choose if we believe or dont,which is kool to me cause he only enabled us with the ability to reason.Did you know that the Bible said he made us from his form I think it was.So I think that means if we see us we sorta see him. But hay this is my opinion and everyone is allowed to have their own so thats great.
How did you come about making this forum what drove you to ask?Please dont think im bein stupid just askin. _______________ http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=159 http://www.thejediacademy.net/show_profile.php?f_id=1386 This comment was edited by Jedi_Wing on Mar 20 2003 10:55pm. |
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Shang Chi - Student 
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I am a protestant Methodist. I consider myself a Christian although I am probably not a very good one. My christian side says that God made the world, but my scientific side says there is a lot of evidence to support evolution. It's probably somewhere in the middle where God creates the world over millions of years which may be a day to him, using a process we call evolution. Just my personal theory and thoughts. _______________ Thirty spokes converge on a single hub, but it is in the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the cart lies. Clay is molded to make a pot, but it is the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the clay pot lies. Cut out doors and windows to make a room, but it is in the spaces where there is nothing that the usefulness of the room lies. Therefore, Benefit may be derived from something, but it is in nothing that we find usefulness. |
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FaDed - Student
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MoS - Eve didn't ruin anything. in fact she got this whole shindig moving. allow me to explain:
adam and eve were created and were given two commandments. they were commanded to multiply and replenish the earth (make babies!) and to never eat from the tree of life (tree of good and evil, knowledge, whatever you want to call it). the problem with these commandments was that they contradicted each other. adam and eve could not spread their seed because they did not know how. they would never know how unless they ate from the tree. so either way they were not following god's law. but the two ate of the tree knowing the consequences of such, but did it becuase there was a higher law to follow. if they had never committed that transgression, they would still be in the garden, perfect and ignorant, and none of us would be here. Jacen - evolution is in fact impossible. there is all this talk of us evolving from monkeys and birds evolving from dinosaurs. but the truth is that we have never found what i call a "in-between" species. all the different forms of ape between us and ancient gorillas are all in effect, their own specie. when scientist find a specimen that's never been identified before, they don't go, "well it could be a human, or it could be a gorilla. let's call it a humangorilla." no, it becomes it's own specie. |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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God is not punishing us. Mankind had the chance to be perfect, but Eve ruined it in the garden of Eden(it's always the women...).
I heard something like "I will belive in God when he's shown himself to me". He has, but maybe you just weren't looking. You know, the whole sending his son to die for us thing. Also, God is an omnipotent being. He is not a giant sitting on a cloud, by all accounts He probably isn't a zoo keeper in his own greater universe, He just is. What is God? He is. Think about it. I'm a Catholic who's religious beliefs fall more in line with those of an Orthodox Jew. I don't go to church for various reasons. *cringes and puts up the flame shield* _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I was raised Roman Catholic, but I do not really believe in god as a person, bu as something that keeps us from doing wrong things and therefore protects us. You could compare it to mercy, or forgivefullness.
Any Moslims in the house? _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Lol Faded.
And Doobie, don't worry I wasn't insulting your religion, just saying what I usualy hear in the same sentences as mormon. And now to another thing: To all the believers in God, about who maked the animals (including us) wich thing do you believe in? Darwins theory or the Bible's saying? Just asking... |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Lol Faded.
And Doobie, don't worry I wasn't insulting your religion, just saying what I usualy hear in the same sentences as mormon. And now to another thing: To all the believers in God, about who maked the animals (including us) wich thing do you believe in? Darwins theory or the Bible's saying? Just asking... |
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FaDed - Student
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woot for doobie! talk about friends in high places. can't get much higher than academy dictator for life. |
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