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O'Liin Onasi - Student  |
First and foremost i should state my intent, that everyone in this community should read this. Those of you who actually know me here,will probably say "I cant belive O'Liin is actually saying this!" when in fact this needs to be said. It is time that WE ALL (including myself) stop this childish BULL SH**.I'm talking to mostly every one who as post on the forums in the past month,or anyone who has been involved in the toubles that are occurring(including myself once again). Now I dont have a problem with anyone here.No one.AS I read Grad's post,for the most part,I, agree with every point he makes,,,save one. We are not a clan.We are more a familly.Some here,I,would hold as my brothers or sisters in reall life,and other to be honest, fathers,cousins,aunts,uncles,and mothers. Some may say ,"WTF IS HE TALKING ABOUT!",but those of you who really know what the True Meaning of This Place is,will agree with me whole heartedly. The True Meaning o This Place is not,foolish bickering,,,child like members who try to start trouble,,,admin abusers,,,or highly held members of this place slamming others. It is my belief,that these words might not change everyone's mind.That is not my intent.My intent is to make those newer members see,,,see what this place was,,,what it should be,,,and what it could be.This place WAS a truely meaningfull place.It held moments in sum members lives that will not ever be forgotten.I have memories of this place,that will stay with me forever,and I KNOW that there are others who agree with me fullwith. Now I have been back and forth over writing this,as I believe I may end up being banned ,or shunned by the rest of this place.Now i want to reiterate my point on my possible banning. I dont believe that the JAC's are cruel people who just ban for fun.I mean that they may not like what im saying,and decide that i am not welcome because of my opinion,and I would accept their decision on that,so should it happen.So,,,I have finally chosen to say it.I love this place.I dont want to be banned.I do NOT want to miss out on the goods things that have happened,are happening,and will happen here,but I cant take this any longer.I have chosen that if i am banned then maybe my words will stay.So,,,Please If I am banned because of this,,,PLEASE let this post stay where it is.For all to read. It is time I get to my point.Everyone who believes that this is just a game is plain about wrong.You know who you are.Those of you who say"Stop taking this thing so personally" are F****** idiots. Forgive my harsh words,but you have no idea what his place is about,or perhaps over the months you have forgotten it.So,,,,,let me remind you. Please take this to heart.Everyone who reads this,PLEASE read this and think about before you say anything. The True Meaning of This Place is not the game,it is not the way you train,it is not teh ping,it is not the fps you get,it IS NOT the fact that sum1 said sumthing you dont like. The True Meaning of This Place is,,,,,the communication we have with each other.It is the involvement,the diverse cultures interacting peacfully while the world around us is at war with ITSELF. It is a safe haven for those who cant get along with that world all the time,or even any of the time,or for those who just need to releash a bit of the usual life we all have. It is most importantly this.The very interaction,between each other.The very fact that any could come here and be welcome. No matter who they are in life,or what they are called,or whether they are shunne by this world or familly or friends,or even themselves.This is the only place I know of.It is also,just as important as anything,NOT a group of ppl who cant get along,IT IS HOWEVER the only place i know of that has alomost every creed,race,gender,and culmination of locations,all bundelled into one very (I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH)WONDERFULL COMMUNITY. So Please,please, for the sake of every brother and sister here.Let us stop this,and continue on in the truest meaning of this place. -----------O'Liin Onasi _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. |
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Bo - Student 
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Quote: I find it funny how the JA continues to say they are presiding over 10,000 members. Id be shocked if there were 500 active posters and players. whats your point?  its the fault of those inactive members that they are inactive not JA's . My point is, that we get all "you try being an admin for 10,000 members, we're only human" responses when someone has something to say in regards to the admins or jac's or w/e, when in truth, it is only a small fraction of that number. I'm an admin for a group that technically has 3400 members, however, the numbers are nowhere near that. Just rebuffing a common excuse. _______________ I know whats been troubling you...... |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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A lot of them will probably be people just staying active, to check up on stuff and keep their accounts alive, but not actually posting or playing.  |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: I find it funny how the JA continues to say they are presiding over 10,000 members. Id be shocked if there were 500 active posters and players. whats your point? its the fault of those inactive members that they are inactive not JA's . _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I find it funny how the JA continues to say they are presiding over 10,000 members. Id be shocked if there were 500 active posters and players. You're quite correct. I'm sure the number is closer to 3 or 4 hundred. People come and go. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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O'Liin Onasi - Student 
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Quote: I find it funny how the JA continues to say they are presiding over 10,000 members. Id be shocked if there were 500 active posters and players. Just as a side note, the site has roughly 2159 active users.(on the site that is) _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. This comment was edited by O'Liin Onasi on Oct 13 2005 05:02am. |
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Bo - Student 
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I find it funny how the JA continues to say they are presiding over 10,000 members. Id be shocked if there were 500 active posters and players. _______________ I know whats been troubling you...... This comment was edited by Bo on Oct 13 2005 03:50am. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: No worries. It's all good. LOL I love threads like this and the goodbye Jacen thread. We can lay it all out and hash things out. so yer a masochist, and from the looks of the raving reviews my posts get yer alone, well except for me. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council
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No worries. It's all good. I love threads like this and the goodbye Jacen thread. We can lay it all out and hash things out. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: Back when we first opend we could do that kind of thing, point a guy out of the crowd, say "you're awesome! want to be a teacher?", and get a JAT that way. That worked great when we were sub 1000 people. Nowadays with as many people that come through here we need to verify they really know their stuff. If you'd believe it we ran into a time where new students knew more about the game than our trianers. It made for a rather silly school. I understand QC, Quality Control, when I see it. I also understand supply and demand. So you don't want to supply us with sub-standard training just to meet a demand. Ok so it is us that you are thinking of? Incidentally, leaving your thoughts on threads like these is a great way to get yourself noticed by us. We can't be on the servers 24/7, and sometimes places like this is the best way to get to know you guys. I am the worst case scenario, I over think and talk too much. Sue me! I have also been a contributor to major websites and communities, none worth mentioning, to the point that I nearly divorced over it. Thank gawd I pulled out of that dive. Ever heard of Americas Army? I got lost in that, HomeLAN Alliance, TWL, AALadders, ran a couple clans the works. In the end the experience turned out to be, pointless. In this game I find a few things that I really love. Its a game of skill, not just right place right time like FPS'rs. It is based in a mythology that I know very well. Oh and its violent!!! YEAH!! I'll hang, I'll chill, I just don't like bein a mushroom. You know in the dark and feeding on SH!T. I guess thats my problem, although I see it as an attribute. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council
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Back when we first opend we could do that kind of thing, point a guy out of the crowd, say "you're awesome! want to be a teacher?", and get a JAT that way. That worked great when we were sub 1000 people. Nowadays with as many people that come through here we need to verify they really know their stuff. If you'd believe it we ran into a time where new students knew more about the game than our trianers. It made for a rather silly school. Incidentally, leaving your thoughts on threads like these is a great way to get yourself noticed by us. We can't be on the servers 24/7, and sometimes places like this is the best way to get to know you guys. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Henkes - Student 
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What this all boils down to is the same as all posts before this... RESPECT... I've seen a lot of posts like these in my time here. And seriously.. they stir up something for awhile maybe a month or so, after that everybody goes back to his/her business as before... face it... you're not gonna change the way the JA is... you either like it or you don't. With that being said, can we just get on with our lives and start having fun again? _______________ Get on your feet and do the Funky Alfonzo! |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Bo is a genuine smart@$$ and I love it rofl this isn't the first time he has impressed me with his quoting the movies at just the right time, lol, good stuff, thanks you made my lunch hour _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Bo - Student
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Quote: k, adequate explaination of how things work, thank you all so there is no change that can be made to make the process quicker/easier, none at all that the council can accept, even short term to get things rolling again. okay then back to waiting... The bureaucrats are in charge now. You could call for a vote of.... _______________ I know whats been troubling you...... |
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Azrael - Student 
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Well done post O'Liin. _______________ The first step to knowing everything is knowing that you know nothing. The first step to knowing nothing is thinking that you know everything. If I'm going to suffer, I might as well suffer in a way that makes someone else happy. Never argue with an idiot. They'll lower you to their level and beat you with experience. |
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El Vee For - Student
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k, adequate explaination of how things work, thank you all so there is no change that can be made to make the process quicker/easier, none at all that the council can accept, even short term to get things rolling again. okay then back to waiting... _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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Quote: There has got to be 30-40 people here that are absolutely great at this game, right? If 10 of them want to conduct training why not let them do it officially? Do trainers require admin access to the something? This might be a good time to reiterate the pre-req's for a trainer. This idea has been brought forward countless times in the past, and rejected every single time. The reason: standardization. DISCLAIMER: I do not pretend to know what the staff think, nor do I intend to put words in their mouths (keyboards?). The following is simply what I have observed in my time here. The JACs want official classes to be taught by trainers who have been with the JA for a while, are familiar with its ways, and have had at least minimal instruction in the basics of teaching. Admin access isn't strictly necessary for teaching purposes, but if you do the teaching thing, sooner or later you will start getting troublemakers - that's just the way of things. While I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who conceivably could step in and teach a class with no problems, the majority of people do not make good teachers without some training first. This especially applies to the younger set. Think about it - how would you like to sit down for a class taught by a 12-year-old who had never tried to run so much as a birthday party before? Add the troublemaker factor to that, and you'll understand the reasons for the JAK+ process. As has been emphasized repeatedly in official and non-official posts: being an official Knight or Trainer is not solely based on knowledge of the game. It is far more to do with having a certain amount of knowledge of the game, and having the tools (metaphor) to pass on this knowledge; and equally about being a good role model for the rest of the JA, having the ability to problem-solve, mediate disagreements, and such. The rank of JAM was created to house those who display this archetype exceptionally well, such as Jaiko and Jaina. I believe that all the current JAKs and JATs fit the positions very well, and that the future ones will be no less appropriate. EDIT: Quote: thats what he said. people whave teh ability to teacha nd are great players. and yes. but its not done. Maj. Avalon. Thomas. all DESERVE it. but getting it is a totaly different story. How do we know this? How do we know they aren't toggled and awaiting trial, or haven't already had a trial and failed some part of it that we don't know about? Everyone's talking about respect here, but the other essential element that's missing is trust. The JACs have to be able to trust the JAKs and JATs that they appoint; we in turn have to trust that the Council know what they're doing and will get us the people we need. _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. This comment was edited by tarpman on Oct 12 2005 08:00pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: el vee... you missed a few things in JA i guess... to be a trainer you dont need any status or admin powers. just offer your help to anyone who needs it. if you are really a great one , loved by everyone and everythere coz of your brilliant attitude and behavior... you will be offered official trainer status. i hope that made sense... if not , u could go and read student knight recommendation thread. thats what he said. people whave teh ability to teacha nd are great players. and yes. but its not done. Maj. Avalon. Thomas. all DESERVE it. but getting it is a totaly different story. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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SaZ - Student 
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el vee... you missed a few things in JA i guess... to be a trainer you dont need any status or admin powers. just offer your help to anyone who needs it. if you are really a great one , loved by everyone and everythere coz of your brilliant attitude and behavior... you will be offered official trainer status. i hope that made sense... if not , u could go and read student knight recommendation thread. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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Personally i dont see the need. As far as the repopulation of the ranks is going its all running smoothly now and running to plan. I'd see such a move as a degredation of the service we want to provide which was certainly not the effect the staff purge was inteded to have. Just be patient -JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: I suppose we value the quality of teaching above the quantity of teachers. Although we will have plenty of JAT in due time. Dont worry There has got to be 30-40 people here that are absolutely great at this game, right? If 10 of them want to conduct training why not let them do it officially? Do trainers require admin access to the something?And omg, Ive banned people?!  Well i guess rumours will spread...lol.-JaikoD'Kana- This might be a good time to reiterate the pre-req's for a trainer. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student
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I suppose we value the quality of teaching above the quantity of teachers. Although we will have plenty of JAT in due time. Dont worry And omg, Ive banned people?! Well i guess rumours will spread...lol.-JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: I know what you mean.There are alot of people that are defending the JA family, while I truly understand I do not fully understand why so many people fear change. Change is healthy, resistance is futile. Really it is. For thinking that we fear change so much, its rather odd, considering how many members we've upset in the past for making changes. The changes I personally would like to see is more trainers. If that means you have to relax the requirements a bit then yer doin it to provide the services that you want to provide. If this place is about learning gotta get more people as official trainers. I have said this before but maybe trainers here should be a lesser rank than Knights? _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Good point, O'Liin! |
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O'Liin Onasi - Student 
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May be subtile cahnges,I dont know, but anything to keep the JA up and running.Anything to keep it a great place to be. _______________ Comments Owned- Darth Mike's100th. Stig's 300th. BDKawika's 400th. Grycen's 200th Ryu's 222th. Kenwan Obiobi/C'au Onasi's 150th. Tidus' 30th. Padawan of Tido. Master to Fox-AJ-Onasi, and Ryu. Brother of BDKawika, and Enoch/Vamushka. Founder of the Onasi Family. Friend to many. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: There are alot of people that are defending the JA family, while I truly understand I do not fully understand why so many people fear change. Change is healthy, resistance is futile. Really it is. For thinking that we fear change so much, its rather odd, considering how many members we've upset in the past for making changes. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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