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Lauq - Student |
Well I finally learned what wiggle is, but I don't have a clue about poke. I am basically looking for a n explanation and some advice here, how many of you here use wiggle and poke?, what is poke?, and are either worth learning?. _______________ One of the 4 council masters who belong to <<FE>>. This post was edited by Lauq on May 06 2006 08:25pm. |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Bah you guys are arguing for nothing because I invented it! |
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Wicek - Nugget 
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Partly translated ESL site |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Personally, i have experienced several instances in the past where one individual or another would seriously claim to have invented "poke" as it is. To be honest, i really don't think it matters anyways ~ the discovery was inevitable and only a matter of time. Of course it would have been quite beneficial for everyone if a general agreement on the terminology by the greater majority of players could have been arranged, even solely for the sake of avoiding confusion ~ which actually is an inevitability in itself, despite the potential efforts undergone by an unified JKA community.
Meh.. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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DiSC - Student 
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I apologise regretfully for misunderstanding you.
It it clear that we both have been informed/misinformed different information from other sources. I would love to be able to translate dureal's posts and try understand the pokemon theory & gage its credibility, but unfortunatley I dont understand much german. However, as I remember it, I dont think axiom were the clan that started poke. They were very arrogant in their time as I remember and could be lying about such a fact to gain credibility. For the life of me I dont remember the name of the clan that claimed to be the 1st pokers, it was simply that long ago. If I did, then maybe this debate would be sorted out a lot faster. Can any old non-axiom german players clarify this? _______________ looks a lordy! the young one appears to be confuzzled! This comment was edited by DiSC on Jan 10 2007 09:37pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: Anyone who knows me will tell you that i'm not the sort of person who would carry on this sort of debate if I thought I was wrong. I am not a stubborn person and will bow out gracefully if anyone can without a doubt, prove me wrong. You misunderstand my intentions. I never did want to prove you wrong because quite frankly, i cannot.
I consider certain things unlikely - you do not. Mere opinions. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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DiSC - Student
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So masta is German?
This still doesnt disprove what I am saying. I am from Leeds in the UK, and people from other parts of my very small country use slang terminology that I do not understand or even comprehend at times. Anyone who knows me will tell you that i'm not the sort of person who would carry on this sort of debate if I thought I was wrong. I am not a stubborn person and will bow out gracefully if anyone can without a doubt, prove me wrong. _______________ looks a lordy! the young one appears to be confuzzled! |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: If you want more proof that germans still use the word poken, go to yahoo.de and search it. You know, a lot of people frequently make use of made up words, giving them arbitrary meaning based upon individual perspective. The same could have happened to the german jka term "poke", since i consider it highly unlikely that the great majority of germans who frequent the word "poke/poken" are aware of it being a medieval german northern dialectic word which got abolished/lost during the 15th century, and therefore doesn't even exist in the german language anymore (or that it actually did at all).
Quote: Btw, how were you informed of the pokemon theory? Dureal stated a detailed commentary about the origins on the german ESL forums way back in '04. Also, you can find further references to this on german JKA boards like here. Personally, i'd estimate that the majority of german ESL players, especially those who have been active in the ESL since the very beginning, will probably confirm the widespread acceptance of dureal's etymology within the german JKA community.
However, as i already partially stated in my previous post: the etymology of internet jargon is mostly inverifiable (out of obvious reasons), and therefore subject to arbitrary judgement and interpretation. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Wicek - Nugget
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Masta doesn't know his own language  |
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DiSC - Student 
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Sounding like a college proffessor still doesnt disprove me 
I learned of the word poken from some german players over 2 years ago, who incidentally were settling the same sort of dispute about the word poke that we are having now. After reading your post, I googled poken for a definition and found one. If you want more proof that germans still use the word poken, go to yahoo.de and search it. You will find many germans using the word on message boards and blogs. Btw, how were you informed of the pokemon theory? My guess is someone was poking fun at you (excuse the pun). _______________ looks a lordy! the young one appears to be confuzzled! |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Quote: Everyone know that Dureal invented poke.
Lies I invented the poke! |
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Wicek - Nugget 
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The word 'poke' is from polish language and it means 'kisic kapuste'. Everyone know that Dureal invented poke.
(He used and use on daily basis that dialect mentioned by Masta) Firstly, he wanted to call it 'Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän' but since not all JKA players can't write "ä" = he named it 'poke'.  > you This comment was edited by Wicek on Jan 10 2007 02:12pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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True, the etymological origin of the english word "to poke" is estimated to be germanic; a linguistic descendent of the medieval german's northern dialectic (aka Middle Low German) word "poken", which probably got lost or abolished during the substitution of more modern forms of german language in the ~14th century.
Therefore, I consider it to be highly unlikely that any german nowadays is commonly using words derived from a medieval german dialect; yet alone talk in this language. The only occurance of the medieval word "poken" in modern/standard german is the contextual reference to a technique in jka, whose etymology is literally unprovable and therefore subject to arbitrary judgment. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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DiSC - Student
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You are right about poken not being an actual german word. but look it up & u will find that poken is a german slang word, originating in middle germany and only spoken in certain parts of the country as far as I can gather. _______________ looks a lordy! the young one appears to be confuzzled! This comment was edited by DiSC on Jan 09 2007 06:10pm. |
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DiSC - Student
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The poke story (as I remember it):-
Poke and wiggle are very different, and started out very different. "Twitching" started on european servers a few years back, I dont know excactly when, and it resembled what we now call wiggle, with less movement. A few german players adapted this into what we now know as poke, and involved much less of a jerky movement. About the same time, the americans started experimenting with what they called "wiggle", and it was used almost exclusively with overhead red shots. As the poking and wiggling progressed, the more intercontinental players adapted a mix of both styles, leading to the semi-poke wiggle style we see nearly all sploiters do today. It was around that time that even the most experienced players got lost with all the terminology. What I say may not be 100% correct, but as a long time player who frequented both US & euro servers, this is how I remember it. Wether poke is right or wrong is up to the individual to figure out for themselves. I try not to poke against players who dont poke themselves I find that most good non-pokers are yellow counter/defence style players, and I can only stand playing like that for so long before I get bored. In my eyes, poke and all the other sploits are like extensions of the game, new moves to learn in other words, someting to try keep an old game fresh. Anyway, each to their own. _______________ looks a lordy! the young one appears to be confuzzled! This comment was edited by DiSC on Jan 09 2007 08:20pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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For your information, there is no such word as "poke" or "poken" in german. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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DiSC - Student
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Wiggle and poke are the very same things. The english speaking jk3 players confuse those 2 terms easily, due to the word "poke" beeing usually associated with the verb "to poke". However, the jk3 term "poke" doesnt have any relation to the english verb "to poke", it was actually invented and used by european players to describe the technique you know as "wiggling" and originates from the word "pokemon" instead. Oh and nope, its not worth learning. =D ------------------------------------------- poke originates from pokemon! rofl, funniest thing ive heard in a long time. poke comes from the german word poken, which literally means to "thrust" or "prod" _______________ looks a lordy! the young one appears to be confuzzled! |
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Stealthy - Student |
Well, I just recently joined this site and I thought this thread was very interesting. It's funny how many things can be thrown into discussion from a game. <--- "A Game". People need to realize that the game is meant for all and any type of audience who wishes to play it, thus the opinion of "exploits" and how to play the game will very way to much to even be debated. Get back to the roots of the gaming world and enjoy the experience. Wiether you poke, wiggle, fan, spin, extend, delay, w/e... Each player is entitled to their own style and their own way of doing things, thus no reason why they need to be judged upon what the do. Simply take your thought or argument against a player's style and keep it at opinionated level. Rememeber, don't hate the player, hate the game. Cuz obviously the game is what consists of these exploits, its the players option to use them. _______________ The mastery of hidden deception.. This comment was edited by Stealthy on Aug 17 2006 11:14am. |
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Strider - Student 
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Well said, Tido.  I too find it enjoyable to play an exploiter for the main reason that when you do win, it feels that much greater. _______________ .: Proud Padawan of Dane |
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Tido - Student 
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Bo nailed it. Like Gil, I really don't care if people exploit against me. I rather like the challenge of it. At a risk of sounding egotistical, they wouldn't be has hard if they didn't. But I certainly don't admire them for their desperation. The level of difficulty in what they do is nothing spectacular. It's not even entertaining to watch. Fighting clean is just so much more rewarding. When you've won, you've earned it. And the exploiter has no excuse other than the simple truth he was out-played. |
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Bo - Student 
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Nobody says they take offense to a style of play, they just don't respect it, and don't consider a player that uses them skilled. The reason you may not have seen good players not using exploits is because there are very few good players still playing this game. Most of the highest skilled players have moved on. Some are still around, yes, and are very refined, but when jka was at it's peak, the level of play was considerably higher, whether current players will admit it or not. _______________ I know whats been troubling you...... |
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Majno - Padawan 
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Quote: I agree that people shouldnt take offence at the way in which others play the game, everyones got the right to choose. I choose not to use exploits, but am not bothered by those that do. In fact i spent 90% of my jka time playing against exploiters. I also recognise it will be harder to win without them. However, becuase of my own views on them, it means more to me when I win without them. For example, JAA reaching #3 in esl without sploits means more to me than if we reached #1 by using them. I know that others dont see it that way, but I dont play the game to prove anything to others, so it doesnt bother me. Also I just dont find it fun wiggling my mouse around like a parkinsons patient on crack while I play. LMFAO! so true dude, nicely put. _______________ " You've just taken your first steps into a larger world. " - Ben. |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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I agree that people shouldnt take offence at the way in which others play the game, everyones got the right to choose. I choose not to use exploits, but am not bothered by those that do. In fact i spent 90% of my jka time playing against exploiters. I also recognise it will be harder to win without them. However, becuase of my own views on them, it means more to me when I win without them. For example, JAA reaching #3 in esl without sploits means more to me than if we reached #1 by using them. I know that others dont see it that way, but I dont play the game to prove anything to others, so it doesnt bother me. Also I just dont find it fun wiggling my mouse around like a parkinsons patient on crack while I play. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Arcccc - Student |
Im slightly surprised to find the JA still internally debating the use of exploits. Ive always been of the opinion that one should be allowed to play however they feel necessary in order to gain the most enjoyment out of this game, which is precisely what it is - a Game. People who take offense to other peoples styles are just ridiculous, however there is a fair stereo type that poker's tend to be arrogant and cocky, though it certainly doesnt apply to all of them. You might say "I take offense to your style because 'i dont think' its fair", well thats fair enough, your welcome to your opinion, but concider this : i am yet to find a non-exploiter who can successfully play this game whilst playing offensively, which could also be of irritation to the people who do not have sufficient patience to spend 5 hours per duel. As a result the only fair answer is just to avoid and not play the people who you dislike playing for whatever reason, or quit the game because you believe it to be flawed. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: lmao _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Big Boss - Student 
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It's actually a heroic deed! http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/exploit |
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