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Vista Ultimate (Final not Beta) was released for us MSDN subscribers. The rest of the world must wait until January. My luck. Now if this font wouldn't drive me completely batty. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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ehehe _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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Quote: FreeBSD is monolithic right(along with MACOS X)? Where as a Microkernal approach isn't.
FreeBSD, like Linux, can be configured to be either monolithic or modular, depending on how you like it (I tend to build more monolithic kernels; at least a few of my friends swear by modular). Darwin should be similar, although I imagine the default configuration would be more monolithic than modular since in a Mac it only needs to run on a small set of hardware (compared to a PC). Windows has modules, yes, but I would hardly call it a microkernel... ntoskernel.exe (XP SP2) by itself is bigger than my laptop's entire monolithic kernel binary!  _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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My computer cant even run vista Lmao _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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FreeBSD is monolithic right(along with MACOS X)? Where as a Microkernal approach isn't. I guess thats what i was trying to say earlier lol
-JaikoD'Kana- _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Newest macs with OSX run on the Darwin kernel, an ugly hack on FreeBSD.
Darwin is the Mach kernel with some of FreeBSD's parts thrown in. Hardly a hack and hardly ugly. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Hint: Vista is just an evolution of NT5.1 (No significant kernel changes)
Newest macs with OSX run on the Darwin kernel, an ugly hack on FreeBSD. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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I think you're pulling random jargon out of the air. 
iirc Windows has always done the message-passing thing. In any case IPC methods have nothing to do with kernel architecture... _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student
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Am i right in thinking that Vista uses a message-passing micro-kernel approach whilst the latest MACs have gone back to a layering approach?....or did i just make that up? lol _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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I havn't seen this posted in this thread yet, apologies if it has, but i found it hilarious, well made, and seemingly very true _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Senor Hat - Student 
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BLASPHEMY!
...whats KDE? _______________ I have beaten The Internet. The end guy was hard. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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I disagree. :p
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger
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Quote: its no more bloated than say... KDE :p
come to the light that is dwm
but yes... Vista is more bloated than KDE. Yes, I know that's hard to believe... but it's true. _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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lo, its not as bad as you think it is.
I've been given business and vis studio to develop with as part of my degree, its nowhere near as bad as people make it out to be. its no more bloated than say... KDE :p _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Kenwan Obiobi - Student |
Haha bugged |
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Mindrith Pride - Student 
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Senor Hat - Student
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I know I just felt like it. _______________ I have beaten The Internet. The end guy was hard. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: Ehem,
VISTA'S SILLY! *flee* no need to flee... it is indeed silly. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Senor Hat - Student
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Ehem,
VISTA'S SILLY! *flee* _______________ I have beaten The Internet. The end guy was hard. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: Im not sure how true it is but i heard vista has a super sweet caching system whereby it tries to guess your most frequently used programs and loads them into memory so it uses ALL of the ram the majority of the time so that when you click on something it doesnt have to go back to the harddrive to pull it up (which takes AGES), i guess the side effect to this is, if more memory is required by the system your OS has to drop aload of stuff and perhaps this is why its taking a little longer on applications that are already running?
Unsure....just a wild guess  Yes, you're talking about Superfetch, which registers everything you do on weekdays and weekends and is smart enough to keep them apart. Theoretically speaking, if you play Jedi Outcast every Sunday, when you boot your system on Sunday it'll also load Jedi Outcast into the memory so that when you are in need of it, it starts quicker. That's a nice way of thinking, but I don't agree with it one bit. The Ram wil allways be full if you use Vista regularly enough for SuperFetch to comprehend what your next move is going to be (it won't work from day one) and what if extra memory is needed. From my experience with XP, I know that Vista will check if there is room available in the RAM, and if not, it'll write to the swap file on the harddisk which is one hundred times slower than a RAM file. So next time you need that particular file, it'll open slower, because it's swapped instead of mapped (RAM). This could mean that you get less performance out of Vista eventually. About Jedi Academy and Jedi Outcast, I tried to test them with the last Beta from Vista and they didn't work there, something about openGL drivers that needed to be updated (a three year old game does not work with the currently supplied openGL drivers, go figure). This may have changed in the retail version, I'm not sure. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Siren_Mintaka - Student 
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Anyone know if Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy can be played on the Vista? I know some older games don't always work on newer systems... don't know why though.
/shrug - Rin _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed, and cofounder of the Wii! Triumvirate! Quote: In the words of Old Ben, "Not as retarded or as stupid as a public, but an elegant community for a more civilized age." - Jedi_Pimp
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Mic Den Octela - Student 
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PC-Magazine, a computer magazine I'm subscribed to, tested Vista with games; their conclusion was that most games lost about 10 to 20% of FPS and in general you get 20% less out of your system than when you game with XP. Do you know why exactly? I know why. They fix one version of windows, and by fix I mean bring it to a stable and acceptable level. (Through ten billion updates) Then they go along, get their thinking caps out, and contemplate how they can ruin our computers now that they've repaired the glitch we once knew as XP (without Service pack 2+). Just recently they managed it, a big bank dent that we all know as Vista. The reason it has slower framerates is most likely because its one big screwed up glitch. It takes up more RAM than XP and generally requires a better system spec. Running Vista and then running a game is the equivalent of running two or more med spec games on XP at the same time. Without a PC that can fly using its graphics card alone you're going to experience lower frame rates. Give Micro$oft a few more months and they'll have brought suffecient updates to make the booboo's better.
The getting less out of your system part is most likely due to the fact that Vista won't have been tested with every single motherboard layout possible. There's bound to be some kind of conflict with Vista. It's like getting a new car without a chassis. Of course, I could be wrong. And Vista could be absolutely perfect... (And this is coming from someone who prefers Windows) _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) This comment was edited by Mic Den Octela on Feb 02 2007 10:30am. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student
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Im not sure how true it is but i heard vista has a super sweet caching system whereby it tries to guess your most frequently used programs and loads them into memory so it uses ALL of the ram the majority of the time so that when you click on something it doesnt have to go back to the harddrive to pull it up (which takes AGES), i guess the side effect to this is, if more memory is required by the system your OS has to drop aload of stuff and perhaps this is why its taking a little longer on applications that are already running?
Unsure....just a wild guess _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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DarthMike - Student 
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Quote: PC-Magazine, a computer magazine I'm subscribed to, tested Vista with games; their conclusion was that most games lost about 10 to 20% of FPS and in general you get 20% less out of your system than when you game with XP. Do you know why exactly? _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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CuZzA - Student 
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Can't be arsed reading below but I heard today there was a bug in the program whereby, by using voice recognition, the bug deletes a file then keeps going around in a loop or something then starts deleting more files.
Can anybody clarify this? _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Quote: Well...
A: Would my computer run better and better for longer? B: Is it more stable? C: Will my games gain or lose FPS in general? Thanks again... PC-Magazine, a computer magazine I'm subscribed to, tested Vista with games; their conclusion was that most games lost about 10 to 20% of FPS and in general you get 20% less out of your system than when you game with XP. A lot of benchmarks comparing Vista and XP report more or less the same thing. They do report nice stability and security though. Nevertheless, Windows Genuine Advantage is present and you can't reinstall more than 3 times. There are a lot of (legal) ways around this, by making a backup copy of your wga file in the system32 directory and pasting back into the system32 folder after reinstalling. This only works if it's the same computer, you can't use it to hack/bypass the WGA. I'll stand by their advice that you should better wait for Service Pack One (planned for later this year or early next year). XP improved drastically after this one as well _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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