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Vista Ultimate (Final not Beta) was released for us MSDN subscribers. The rest of the world must wait until January. My luck. Now if this font wouldn't drive me completely batty. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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They said they'll be supporting XP until 2011
I heard alot sooner than that. But i guess im not 100% it was all hear say My source was the bbc quoting statements from bill gates at the Vista premiere I sincerely hope this is the case because my computer won't handle Vista, and I won't be getting a new one for a year or two. |
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Buzz - Student 
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They said they'll be supporting XP until 2011
I heard alot sooner than that. But i guess im not 100% it was all hear say My source was the bbc quoting statements from bill gates at the Vista premiere _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Quote: They said they'll be supporting XP until 2011
I heard alot sooner than that. But i guess im not 100% it was all hear say _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are 
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: B: Is it more stable?
Stable? We're talking about MS here! [/prejudice] Quote: C: Will my games gain or lose FPS in general? Theoretically, due to the vista's new WDDM structure which is supposed to have improved video memory pooling, streaming and allocation, and generally enhanced ressource handling; there should be a somewhat improved performance with most application, even when running with the DX9 API.
However, i'm not sure if the theoretical enhancements will be visible in reality. One cannot say for sure, until vista has undergone excessive testing. If you plan to upgrade to DX10 anytime soon (or play halo2), i'd certainly reocmmend getting vista though. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Everon - Student - The winner!!! 
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A: Would my computer run better and better for longer? B: Is it more stable? C: Will my games gain or lose FPS in general? Thanks again... |
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Buzz - Student
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They said they'll be supporting XP until 2011 _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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during this year microsoft will slowy stop supporting software with xp, so its gonna need to be upgraded to vista at some point. the choice is up to you when, that is of course if you stick with microsoft, alot of people use linux now, its very user friendly nowdays _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Everon - Student - The winner!!! 
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Just wondering, I've been given the option to get a hold of Vista by my Mum and was wondering should I or just stick with XP?
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I can't wait to see next year's estimated market share of Linux. Officially, right now it's 3,3%. Yet, I noticed dozens of forums filled with people announcing they won't be switching to Vista but rather to Linux, many of whom actually use Ubuntu now. Like me.
I think we can expect a market-share-explosion thanks to Bill Gates' good decisions. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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It's very nice to see this many people seriously considering alternate operating systems. Keep it up, Microsoft!  _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Just read an article about a new Nvidia Geforce 8800 card that runs DX 10. It has 640 MB or 768 MB of on-board memory.
DANG!! _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Right now, releasing games exclusively aimed at an audience that is crazy/wealthy enough to buy a $600+ card must be quite risky for the dev's, and quite unpleasent for the causal gamer. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Orion - Retired 
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Quote: Upon further contemplation, yes you will need both vista and a DX10 card to run a game that supports DX10. However, since the current minimal requirements for such a game would be skyhigh, i presume that most developers will implement 2 different rendering engines into their games; one for DX10, and one for DX9.
Therefore, they would keep the requirements for a game low, whilst still supporting DX10 functionality for those who can afford a proper card. Heh, DX9 & DX10 are so different that it is very hard to try and do that. There are fundamental differences. It's not the same like with HL1 where you could pick between OpenGL and D3D. DX9 -> DX10 is a very big Graphical API leap for Microsoft. I wouldn't expect developers to support both. DX9 should actually see some speed increase on vista from what I've heard. They will do either one or the other... _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u This comment was edited by Orion on Dec 08 2006 01:56am. |
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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I have a MacBook Pro that I bought in April. A few years ago I wasn't that Mac saavy as I had bad experiences with them and really didn't see any advantage into having one. Boy has my outlook changed. Let me say this, I will never buy another Windows PC machine for as long as I live. This does not include the fact that any flavor of Linux is much better anyways. _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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Nightfire - Student 
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Quote: I think Vista will just make sure even more people switch to Mac or Linux.
The man speaks the truth _______________ -Need a light? My 362:nd post was a joke
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I think Vista will just make sure even more people switch to Mac or Linux.
I've never really considered it up till now ... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Upon further contemplation, yes you will need both vista and a DX10 card to run a game that supports DX10. However, since the current minimal requirements for such a game would be skyhigh, i presume that most developers will implement 2 different rendering engines into their games; one for DX10, and one for DX9.
Therefore, they would keep the requirements for a game low, whilst still supporting DX10 functionality for those who can afford a proper card. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: Uhm generally, shaders are programmed onto the surfaces of objects within the application. You cannot make your gpu force an application to run with a higher shader model then it originally was programmed with.
With other words, your hardware needs "a cue" from the application that a specific shader is necessary. Your hardware does NOT apply shaders onto objects all by itself. Upgrading an existing shader function without hard-coding it into the application is impossible. what i meant was that when dx10 games are released you will need: 1. windows vista 2. dx10 compatible gpu. am i missing something here? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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linux ftw _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Uhm generally, shaders are programmed onto the surfaces of objects within the application. You cannot make your gpu force an application to run with a higher shader model then it originally was programmed with.
With other words, your hardware needs "a cue" from the application that a specific shader is necessary. Your hardware does NOT apply shaders onto objects all by itself. Upgrading an existing shader function without hard-coding it into the application is impossible. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: I read that DX10 won't have Pixel Shader 1.1, 2.0, 2.x or 3.0 options. It will force the card to work in the new 'Shader Model 4.0'. I dunno if that's a bad thing, but to me it doesn't sound good.
like new games werent the only 'force' to force you to buy new hardware... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Matej - Student |
I read that DX10 won't have Pixel Shader 1.1, 2.0, 2.x or 3.0 options. It will force the card to work in the new 'Shader Model 4.0'. I dunno if that's a bad thing, but to me it doesn't sound good. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: DX10 cards cost so much they're not really worth buying yet anyway (in my opinion anyway.) You missed the point. There arn't any games that run with DX10 yet neither. However, DX10 being vista-exclusive means that the full functionality of DX10 cards won't be utilized on any other OS except for vista, and that basically obliges high-end users to buy MS' crappy software.
On another note, wine might be the way to go though. An excerpt from their "to do" list: Quote: [D3D](d3d10)
*Start implementing D3D10 once it gets released *Possibly port D3D10 to Windows XP to give them the ability to play D3D10 games with Wine. :-) http://wiki.winehq.org/DirectX-ToDo _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Matej - Student |
DX10 cards cost so much they're not really worth buying yet anyway (in my opinion anyway.) |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Quote: Is it true you need vista for DX 10? That sux if its true.
yes, that's true. Just another way of Microsoft to ensure people upgrade. A marketing strategy, really. Oh well. Boot times are horrible on Vista as well. I have a system that completely checks out for all of the system requirements and it takes me about five minutes to fully load up the operating system. For reference, XP took less than a minute to boot. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
Want to know Vladarion? Read the Article about his life here. This comment was edited by Bail Hope of Belouve on Dec 04 2006 10:23pm. |
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