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Vista Ultimate (Final not Beta) was released for us MSDN subscribers. The rest of the world must wait until January. My luck. Now if this font wouldn't drive me completely batty. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I can't wait to see next year's estimated market share of Linux. Officially, right now it's 3,3%. Yet, I noticed dozens of forums filled with people announcing they won't be switching to Vista but rather to Linux, many of whom actually use Ubuntu now. Like me.
I think we can expect a market-share-explosion thanks to Bill Gates' good decisions. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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tarpman - The Tarped Avenger 
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It's very nice to see this many people seriously considering alternate operating systems. Keep it up, Microsoft!  _______________ Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Just read an article about a new Nvidia Geforce 8800 card that runs DX 10. It has 640 MB or 768 MB of on-board memory.
DANG!! _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Right now, releasing games exclusively aimed at an audience that is crazy/wealthy enough to buy a $600+ card must be quite risky for the dev's, and quite unpleasent for the causal gamer. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Orion - Retired 
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Quote: Upon further contemplation, yes you will need both vista and a DX10 card to run a game that supports DX10. However, since the current minimal requirements for such a game would be skyhigh, i presume that most developers will implement 2 different rendering engines into their games; one for DX10, and one for DX9.
Therefore, they would keep the requirements for a game low, whilst still supporting DX10 functionality for those who can afford a proper card. Heh, DX9 & DX10 are so different that it is very hard to try and do that. There are fundamental differences. It's not the same like with HL1 where you could pick between OpenGL and D3D. DX9 -> DX10 is a very big Graphical API leap for Microsoft. I wouldn't expect developers to support both. DX9 should actually see some speed increase on vista from what I've heard. They will do either one or the other... _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u This comment was edited by Orion on Dec 08 2006 01:56am. |
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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I have a MacBook Pro that I bought in April. A few years ago I wasn't that Mac saavy as I had bad experiences with them and really didn't see any advantage into having one. Boy has my outlook changed. Let me say this, I will never buy another Windows PC machine for as long as I live. This does not include the fact that any flavor of Linux is much better anyways. _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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Nightfire - Student 
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Quote: I think Vista will just make sure even more people switch to Mac or Linux.
The man speaks the truth _______________ -Need a light? My 362:nd post was a joke
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I think Vista will just make sure even more people switch to Mac or Linux.
I've never really considered it up till now ... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Upon further contemplation, yes you will need both vista and a DX10 card to run a game that supports DX10. However, since the current minimal requirements for such a game would be skyhigh, i presume that most developers will implement 2 different rendering engines into their games; one for DX10, and one for DX9.
Therefore, they would keep the requirements for a game low, whilst still supporting DX10 functionality for those who can afford a proper card. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: Uhm generally, shaders are programmed onto the surfaces of objects within the application. You cannot make your gpu force an application to run with a higher shader model then it originally was programmed with.
With other words, your hardware needs "a cue" from the application that a specific shader is necessary. Your hardware does NOT apply shaders onto objects all by itself. Upgrading an existing shader function without hard-coding it into the application is impossible. what i meant was that when dx10 games are released you will need: 1. windows vista 2. dx10 compatible gpu. am i missing something here? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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linux ftw _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Uhm generally, shaders are programmed onto the surfaces of objects within the application. You cannot make your gpu force an application to run with a higher shader model then it originally was programmed with.
With other words, your hardware needs "a cue" from the application that a specific shader is necessary. Your hardware does NOT apply shaders onto objects all by itself. Upgrading an existing shader function without hard-coding it into the application is impossible. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: I read that DX10 won't have Pixel Shader 1.1, 2.0, 2.x or 3.0 options. It will force the card to work in the new 'Shader Model 4.0'. I dunno if that's a bad thing, but to me it doesn't sound good.
like new games werent the only 'force' to force you to buy new hardware... _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Matej - Student |
I read that DX10 won't have Pixel Shader 1.1, 2.0, 2.x or 3.0 options. It will force the card to work in the new 'Shader Model 4.0'. I dunno if that's a bad thing, but to me it doesn't sound good. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: DX10 cards cost so much they're not really worth buying yet anyway (in my opinion anyway.) You missed the point. There arn't any games that run with DX10 yet neither. However, DX10 being vista-exclusive means that the full functionality of DX10 cards won't be utilized on any other OS except for vista, and that basically obliges high-end users to buy MS' crappy software.
On another note, wine might be the way to go though. An excerpt from their "to do" list: Quote: [D3D](d3d10)
*Start implementing D3D10 once it gets released *Possibly port D3D10 to Windows XP to give them the ability to play D3D10 games with Wine. :-) http://wiki.winehq.org/DirectX-ToDo _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Matej - Student |
DX10 cards cost so much they're not really worth buying yet anyway (in my opinion anyway.) |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Quote: Is it true you need vista for DX 10? That sux if its true.
yes, that's true. Just another way of Microsoft to ensure people upgrade. A marketing strategy, really. Oh well. Boot times are horrible on Vista as well. I have a system that completely checks out for all of the system requirements and it takes me about five minutes to fully load up the operating system. For reference, XP took less than a minute to boot. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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DarthMike - Student 
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Is it true you need vista for DX 10? That sux if its true. _______________ "You can't get Windows on a Mac because the drivers are not compatible." --- Some dude from the Geek Squad "So if you have quad-core, you have four times the RAM, right?" --- Some guy at Best Buy |
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Nightfire - Student
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Quote: If Microsoft ever tries to tell me I should switch to Vista and drop XP, I'll switch to Linux permanently
I'll have to agree I'd be prepared to do the same... or just stick die hard to xp.... or pwn micro$oft(yeah Right  ) _______________ -Need a light? My 362:nd post was a joke
LAIHELA This comment was edited by Nightfire on Dec 04 2006 09:08pm. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: yes it is a toy. I'm currently making a comparison study for school.
I'll think about translating it to English when I'm done, so you can all have a read. So far some of my findings include: - when using Vista on a 56K internet connection, the connection is often lost. It is restored quickly however. - My soundcard won't install itself with the supplied drivers from Microsoft, even though they promise practically everything works, and it's not even old, it's brand new - CPU usage is off the charts. Try dragging a window. The CPU usage spikes to 50-80% When I sort data, like the titles of songs so they appear alphabetically, the CPU spikes to 50%. This is ridiculous and I'd love to see those algorithms. I've had Vista for a few hours now, and already "My Computer" crashed. Great start. Really ... A few hours later I got the report from Microsoft that my encountered bug will definitely be fixed in the final release of Vista. It would be nice if they would say just exactly what bug would be fixed though. I have to admit though, that the new network stack they've written for the internet, which is supposed to be 20% faster, really is faster. I've heard reports about it being unsafe though. Oh, but nice eye-candy though. But nothing Mac OSX Tiger doesn't have though ... While typing this text, Internet Explorer Vista changed my cursor to the beginning of the sentence nine times for no apparent reason. (I know when I'm pushing the home button, and I know I'm not). I've had a similar problem with Microsoft Internet Explorer in XP, though. It's one of the things that convinced me to switch to firefox. Oh, and I'm switching to a dual boot system with Linux. If Microsoft ever tries to tell me I should switch to Vista and drop XP, I'll switch to Linux permanently. Just a thought of mine. Yep, Well thanks for the information...I will lend Windows Vista from my friend and test it some before I do anything... _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Dec 04 2006 07:43pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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yes it is a toy. I'm currently making a comparison study for school.
I'll think about translating it to English when I'm done, so you can all have a read. So far some of my findings include: - when using Vista on a 56K internet connection, the connection is often lost. It is restored quickly however. - My soundcard won't install itself with the supplied drivers from Microsoft, even though they promise practically everything works, and it's not even old, it's brand new - CPU usage is off the charts. Try dragging a window. The CPU usage spikes to 50-80% When I sort data, like the titles of songs so they appear alphabetically, the CPU spikes to 50%. This is ridiculous and I'd love to see those algorithms. I've had Vista for a few hours now, and already "My Computer" crashed. Great start. Really ... A few hours later I got the report from Microsoft that my encountered bug will definitely be fixed in the final release of Vista. It would be nice if they would say just exactly what bug would be fixed though. I have to admit though, that the new network stack they've written for the internet, which is supposed to be 20% faster, really is faster. I've heard reports about it being unsafe though. Oh, but nice eye-candy though. But nothing Mac OSX Tiger doesn't have though ... While typing this text, Internet Explorer Vista changed my cursor to the beginning of the sentence nine times for no apparent reason. (I know when I'm pushing the home button, and I know I'm not). I've had a similar problem with Microsoft Internet Explorer in XP, though. It's one of the things that convinced me to switch to firefox. Oh, and I'm switching to a dual boot system with Linux. If Microsoft ever tries to tell me I should switch to Vista and drop XP, I'll switch to Linux permanently. Just a thought of mine. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Vista is a toy.
old news. what about jka? does it work on vista? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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n00b - Student 
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OMG its like Windows 95/Plus all over again  Sergoe UI font FTL. Vista is a toy. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Esta - Student 
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Say bye-bye to your high-performance gaming machine. Say hello to the pointless graphical improvement of your desktop. _______________ -Kauyon Draconis [Official master of Ataris] |
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Senor Hat - Student 
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Now the only thing good about Vista, I think, is that apparently Halo 2 is being released with it...RUMORS?!?!? AAAAH! _______________ I have beaten The Internet. The end guy was hard. |
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