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Silencio - Student  |
What will you use? I think I'm gonna go with two... not sure, though.. _______________ Second-in-command of the mighty FiZZsters |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Well the problem I always had as a lightsider was people running away. All you have is throw and pull really. Speed possibly but that is a waste of points for FFA and takes up loads of force power. It is nice to know you can zap someone if they're about to head for the health.
I still stand by my lightside though  A Jedi till death. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Buzz - Student 
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Actually I don't think it would be very neat. All I need to kill is a lightsaber so I see no need for offensive light powers. Not to say that some new force powers implemented won't aid in the offensive aspects of fighting. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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You put forward some interesting points, and no the guards probably didn't die, but whats the say you can't use grip in a defensive way, to stop them attacking you, and in so doing, stopping them from attacking others. I can see that raven and lucasarts probably won't have offensive light powers, that wasn't really an issue (although I made it nito one  ) It would be nice though wouldn't it ? _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Buzz - Student
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Ah, yes Jake I have read NJO. And I've read much farther in it than you have. So I have more insight into what is going on in it. The big argument there is when does the right to defend oneself constitute attacking first. The Jedi do use the Force in battles but it hasn't really been the Force causing the damage. What Luke does on Dantooine is use the Force to hold those Gravity Wells in place and cause damage. Don't forget that what he did there though saved many lives by doing it. That was done for protection of others. Luke's big conflict is how to fight the Vong. Are the abominations since they appear now to be voids in the Force? Should they all be slaughtered and will that be ok for a Jedi to do or should they be fought like other sentient beings? What effect will it have on the Jedi? Where you are in the novels, is where you are seeing two extremes. Kyp's view of using the Force to attack and Jacen's view of Jedi shouldn't use the Force at all. Niether of them are right. Luke is somewhere in the middle and that is the path the Jedi should take. The Force is more than a weapon or tool to just be used as an X-wing or lightsaber is.
And in ROTJ Luke did choke the guards but I don't think they died. And the mind trick he used was on a weak minded individual, someone that is susceptible to the influence. No damage was done to the Bib Fortuna by what he did. And his objective in all of it was the rescue of his friends. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Lethal-Skill - Ex-Student 
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Ill use the saber that takes most practice to control..Must be double bladed then _______________ It takes a fool to think he can attack me and an even bigger fool to think he can defeat me. |
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SidaDyas - Ex-Student |
here's some 2 cents from an academy member that never got to play on the servers.
darkside is the forceside that is easy- it gives a lot of power. lightside on the other hand needs patience to work out. that's how it is illustrated in the movies. in the game, darkside offers lots of power quickly, as oppossed to the 30 minutes of adjustment the lightsider needs. that's just like it is in the movies. anyway, back to the topic. i'd use 2 sabers just for the hell of it.  _______________ Jedi wannabe yep that's me |
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TiTo (inactive) - Student 
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Well, Mace uses offensive Forces; it was intended for him to shoot some sort of Lightbolt in the Geonosian Battle Arena (i dont know why that never happened), and even his fighting style is aggresive, one that only true Jedi Masters could handle without falling to the Dark Side! So Raven could (and IMO should) make at least ONE aggresive Light Side power... But that probably aint gonna happen! _______________ Not back yet... I'll come one day, I hope... The madman formerly (and still) known as Tito! Coming to take back my title as "Most insane 'person' in the JA" It's the bizzi, wizza, jizzi, Wizzil, Bizon, wizzay, Wizzat, fizzil ¶°TiTo°¶ - All work and no play makes Tito burn the bacon! - Officially cured from spamming!!!
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Theres a difference between not choosing them and not having a choice As for offensive lightside, luke in ROTJ chkes the guards, uses mind trick on a few people (which is an offensive thing, maybe not physically pffensive, but offensive none the less)
You're reading NJO, I would've thought you'd remember the whole kyp duron thing with using the force offensivley to defend. This is getting towards Jacen's idea of no force use really. I mean where do you draw the line ? There comes a point when defensive action will harm an opponent but this action has to be taken in order to defend. My theory is, if its not done with evil intent then its not evil. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Buzz - Student 
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Jake there won't be any offensive Light side Force powers. That's a contradiction. Jedi use the Force for knowledge and defense never attack. A real Jedi wouldn't use Force Push to send someone over a cliff. So that's really the only power that light side users can actually cause harm with. With saber throw, the lightsaber is actually doing the damage. Just like Mind trick can allow you to sneak up and kill someone. The saber is still doing the damage. Same with sending blaster bolts back to an opponent. So I doubt if you'll really see any new offensive light powers.
Oh and not using drain or heal for FF? I didn't realize there were set levels on which Force powers to use to consider something full force combat. You could allocate those points you use for heal and drain to other Force powers and it will still be a FF fight. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Sniya - Student 
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I never have much of a problem with drain as im a big user of protect(u notthe force stopie thing) mabey thats ravens idea of even.Drain can be countered.Hmm relly in a duel i cant see niether being able to effectivly use there heal powers.
RIGHT lets get back on subject _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 This comment was edited by Sniya on Apr 05 2003 12:47am. |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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Ah, well, without heal and drain is not full force is it and thats a different kettle of fish. This could go either way, but since the object is to cause damage, the darkside may still have it, as both opponents have saber and kick, and neatral forces, only dark has another way to attack and cause damage. Whereas the ligthside is meant to keep you alive.
Hopefully they'll have more offensively based force pwoers for the ligthside, as grip itself isn't evil, its only the way its used which is of dark origins. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Buzz - Student
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Ioshee if you go to the website and look at the screenshot, its an actual kick as in one foot on the ground the other connecting with your opponent. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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ioshee - Student 
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What do they mean that you can kick in any direction with the staff stance? I like a single saber best, but if it means having access to better kicking, I'd go with the dual blade saber. If they let you close down one side of the duel blade I will definitely use that with only one side (most of the time.) I always LOVED the way Maul's saber looked when he had only one blade extended (even better than the dual blade effect.)
About the force, dark side is stronger in the physical realm but light side is stronger in the spiritual. Jake what are your thoughts on a ff_duel between equally skilled players on opposing sides of the force using no drain or heal? Just curious. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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not super drain, but lets narrow this down shall we, since you brought the subject back Ok, all the powers are pretty much equal, they all have an opposite, all dark powers are countered by absorb, I accept this. Protect does the same kinda thing, mind trick is countered by seeing, throw pull is countered because both people can use it. In the end it comes down to who can heal faster and more efficiently, thus allowing them to stay alive.
You can't honestly tell me that you think heal is more efficient than drain !! Thats basically all it is, just drain. That an the phyological advantage of having force powers which do damage as well as your saber and kick, as opposed to a lightsider you only has saber and kick to do damage with. If a lightsider understands this though, and is skilled then they are pretty even. But as soon as you throw drain into the mix, its all over, the lighty is going out in a body bag. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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Your heart is centered. I'm not left handed so I dont really care either way. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Sniya - Student
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back to the force thing.if thier is a fight bettween a medium dark and an advanced light of course the light will win.Hes a better player.Same if the role was reversed.The better player will be more inventive.
Mabey if you put two non-gamers who had not heard of jk2/jk3 then the dark would mabey win.As drain and lightning are just guns with special effects(not to say theyre not cool).And everyone knows basic stratigies for guns.So the lightsider would be about 30 minutes behind becus you need to get a feel for light before you start developing stratigies.Which can destroy a darksider if used right.In the end it comes down to skill no side is better just different. BTW wot is this super drain u got in ur theory. oh an buzz bout the left handers (of which im one) they probably wont do this as Knights etc never used the left hand for fighting this was mainly due to the fact it was easier to hit the heart hich is on the left side of the body.This mainly and a couple of other reasons is why there isnt a more balanced left handers to righthanders. scince the underliying theory of jedi is that theyre knights raven probably wont want to add it.Anyway left to right handed saber fights dont look exactly right. _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 This comment was edited by Sniya on Apr 04 2003 07:47pm. |
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TiTo (inactive) - Student
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Then i say that the single saber should have an advantage if the other two saber types can go single-saber... Say that the single saber can extend in two different lenghts: ie.
1: Half lenght = For twice as quick attacks, with less damage from a short range! 2: Double lenght (or maybe 1.5 lenght) = For slower attacks with more damage from a long range! 3: Normal lenght = Duuuuuuh..... _______________ Not back yet... I'll come one day, I hope... The madman formerly (and still) known as Tito! Coming to take back my title as "Most insane 'person' in the JA" It's the bizzi, wizza, jizzi, Wizzil, Bizon, wizzay, Wizzat, fizzil ¶°TiTo°¶ - All work and no play makes Tito burn the bacon! - Officially cured from spamming!!!
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Buzz - Student
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Well you know if they make the Double saber have a single blade option then having two sabers could also have a single blade use option. I think it would be interesting if you could choose whether your character is right or left handed. Give all those south paws out there more connection to their charaters _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Vaughn - Student 
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oh, with the two single sabers, duct tape them together to make the double bladed saber! (bad joke, sorry) _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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TiTo (inactive) - Student 
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I've heard some talk about the Doubleblade being switchable, but i havn't heard the results... How about if the single saber was a dualmode-saber (different lenghts)??? _______________ Not back yet... I'll come one day, I hope... The madman formerly (and still) known as Tito! Coming to take back my title as "Most insane 'person' in the JA" It's the bizzi, wizza, jizzi, Wizzil, Bizon, wizzay, Wizzat, fizzil ¶°TiTo°¶ - All work and no play makes Tito burn the bacon! - Officially cured from spamming!!!
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Jake Kainite - Student
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that would makes sense, is easy to do, and I'm sure they've thought about it. The other option being that dual lightsabers being connected together to make the double bladed, doubt that'd happen though, just an idea. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Silencio - Student 
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New plan! what if youre able to use the double bladed single bladed as well? You know, like Darth Maul does in the first fight. If that is possible, then you'd have easy access to both styles... Guess I will be using the double/single bladed then... (IF it's possible) _______________ Second-in-command of the mighty FiZZsters |
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Vaughn - Student
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im learning how to use a shinai (well, teaching myself), and i know how to use a Jo/Bo (staves). So... it makes no difference _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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Hmmm....I know how to fight for real with both a staff and a sword.
So one saber, one or two blades. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Vaughn - Student
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im probably going to have 2, but use 1 if i can _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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