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2 forces at once wowza what cold i do ewith that
Apr 05 2003 11:18am

Sniya
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Sniya
this is ur opinions on how the new forces are gonna work(using two at once) and what stratigies will form.Oh and do u think they will therefore give us a bigger force pool.
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Apr 23 2003 05:23pm

Lian Del Rey
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 Lian Del Rey

That's just CRUEL Vaughn :P
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Apr 21 2003 03:45am

Vaughn
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 Vaughn

i always do that... Grip + throw
speed + mind trick
mind trick + seeing
grip + lightning (for those pesky beetles and cocroaches...)
etc... but, it would be fun :P

Someone said pulling the body of a stormtrooper, but pushing the head!!! (ouch)
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This comment was edited by Vaughn on Apr 21 2003 03:45am.

Apr 19 2003 03:00am

Jake Kainite
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 Jake Kainite

Speed rage :) JK1 jumping was good, but the whole game wasn't as fast paced as JKII or JK:JA will be, people would get bored of waiting to cahrge it up.

On the slo-mo thing, its possible in single but not in multi, otherwise everyone else in the game would have to slow down as well!!!
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Apr 18 2003 11:13pm

Aeth S'kray
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 Aeth S'kray

for the love of god, they should go back to jk1 jumping. you had to charge your jump with gave a cool crouch animations. the longer you charged the higher you jumped, much more like in the movies or even the cutscenes of jk2. it made a nice sound too. was way cooler than in jk2 and wouldnt allow that silly air combos ;)

oh, and why not get a bit matrix style? run on walls, real kicks and punches, bullet time (slow motion). stuff like that.

force struggles would be cool aswell. like saber locks, but with force. something like player A want to throw an object to the right, player B wants to throw it to the left. the one who clicks faster/better/bigger wins.

actually i have no idea how to combine forces. i mean, you could already use several forces, no? absorb+speed... absorb+protect... what do they want to change? only thing that makes sense to me is that thing dooku did, grip+lightning. but what else? :/
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Apr 11 2003 12:13pm

Jake Kainite
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 Jake Kainite

Saw this on lucasforums, perhaps lightning which works like grip, meaning you could pick people up with lightning, like dooku in epII
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Apr 10 2003 11:24pm

Luke Skywalker
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 Luke Skywalker

Grip and saber throw is already in JK2, only in SP though, it's really effective against Shadowtroopers considering enemies are forced to deactivate their sabers when they're being gripped.
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Apr 10 2003 11:22pm

Rampage
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 Rampage

i wanna grip a guy, and drain him while he's hangin in the air..or mabye grip + saber throw...

Apr 10 2003 10:31pm

Fizz of Belouve
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 Fizz of Belouve

well, since grip and push/pull is almost the same, that shouldnt be too difficult, but give ur CPU lots of work ;)


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Apr 08 2003 01:14pm

Lord Jaws
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 Lord Jaws

about that object force stuff, would it not be easier to assume that The designers could change the settings for force-grip, so you can use Objects. somthing like that.
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Apr 07 2003 06:55pm

Fizz of Belouve
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 Fizz of Belouve

hmhmh that reminds me of system shock II, which I have stopped playing somewhere in the middle....

gotta dig it out again....
wee that was really OT.

anyway, JavaGuy: whats this Icarus script thingy u mentioned ?
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Apr 07 2003 05:44am

DJ Sith
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 DJ Sith

It would be interesting to see Raven make some kind of right click and drag telekenesis kind of interface.
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Apr 07 2003 05:42am

Goober
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 Goober

if there was like weapon/force combos i would do SABER LIGHTNING ENERGIZE! or BLASTER GRIP SHOT!:P
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Apr 06 2003 10:28pm

Jake Kainite
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 Jake Kainite

Force influenced objects aren't possible to be made by mappers as this is only in the singleplayer source code, which wasn't released, only the MP code was. If lucasarts had released the code, we could be force pushing walls and stuff by now.
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Apr 06 2003 10:11pm

Sniya
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 Sniya

u know it must be wierd to hold a saber if it slices throught everything like butter
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Apr 06 2003 08:51pm

JavaGuy
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 JavaGuy

I doubt that you'll be able to Protect and Absorb at the same time. Remember, you can _already_ use more than one Force power at once, but some are mutually exclusive by design.

But supposedly there will be combo moves that use Force powers. Awesome!

One thing I'd love to see is a general-purpose telekenetic power. Push, Pull and Grip are all great, but what about just picking up objects and moving them around? Note to map-makers: _Every_ switch, button and lever should be Force-usable! This was not true of the SP campaign in JK2, but there's no reason a map-maker can't do it that way. A big part of becoming immersed in the whole fantasy of being a Jedi is using the Force, and for me it just doesn't cut it when Force powers are useful only in combat and for certain puzzles that are engineered to be solvable only by using certain Force powers.

A "Force reach-out" doesn't require a new power. Just write it into your levels' ICARUS scripts. The same is true of non-linear storylines. The map I've been working on since time immemorial has multiple endings. I hope I finish it before JK3 is actually out, but the real world intrudes, and I keep having to go do Grownup Stuff.

Also, I've said this before but will reiterate it: There should be no such thing as a locked door that a Jedi can't get through! I know figuring out how to get through a locked door is a good plot device and/or basis for a puzzle for the player to solve, but there are other ways to block passage to an area that might plausibly stop even a Jedi (remember, we play a powerful Jedi but not necessarily a Yoda or a Mace Windu). A lightsaber slices through steel like butter.

Bubu writes:
"I wanna be able to grip a guy..."

Thanks for _that_ imagery!

[Edit: spelling correction]
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This comment was edited by JavaGuy on Apr 06 2003 08:52pm.

Apr 06 2003 08:14pm

Fizz of Belouve
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 Fizz of Belouve

I'd like a "force reach out" - player character kneels/sits/whatever and concentrates, then reaches out with the force and tells what he is able to sense.
Like some unspecific hints of what might be in the next rooms.

I'd also like to have that force-meter, but not graphical, but only by means of the character telling things like "I sense a disturbance in the force" - some shit like that :D

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Apr 06 2003 05:03pm

Rampage
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 Rampage

let's all spam force protect and absorb! (and mabye grip + drain would b cool :P like stopping him/her from pushing u away)

hmm, that would require a double as big force pool :P

Apr 06 2003 03:48pm

Bubu
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 Bubu

i wanna be able to grip a guy (but without him losing to much hp), interrogate him, and then someone would come up from the side and i would just push him off a ledge or something without letting go of the grip. that would be sweet.

levitate objects would also be cool. imagine a yoda vs dooku force fight. ohh baby! :D
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Apr 06 2003 01:11am

TiTo (inactive)
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 TiTo (inactive)

The concentration meter could also discover enemies, if the meter was high, perhaps??? I love the idea, and if a JK4 is ever made, THIS should be in it!:)
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Apr 05 2003 10:56pm

Jake Kainite
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 Jake Kainite

Yeah but ignoring hardware and performance issues it would kinda make snese wouldn't it ? As jedi should be pretty aware of their surroundings most of the time.

We can't always limit a games possibilities by hardware, as that is constantly improving, was just thinking of it in a hyperthetical sense.
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Apr 05 2003 10:27pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

I think what is going to be cooler is the ability to put force powers into your combos along with the saber swings. As for seeing all the time. Jake that could really cause some frame lag under certain circumstances. You haven't been on the servers when whispy is playing mine layer with the terminator on. But with about 500 mines on the ground the frame rate becomes horrible, and when you throw on seeing, it becomes even worse. Your seeing all the time could be solved with something simple called a radar. Since then you would also be able to see who is behind you. I don't really want that though.
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Apr 05 2003 10:09pm

Jake Kainite
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 Jake Kainite

I've had a fantastic idea, which would make the game more jedi like, but would make it a bit unblanced (maybe not you decide)

Real jedi feel the force, and can sense pretty much everything around them, kinda like when you have force seeing on. My idea would be to have seeing on all the time, so you can see people all around the level, and in singleplayer, up to a few rooms ahead. The problem with this though is there would be no surprises, everyone would know where everyone else was so you couldn't hide, and it might get annoying having little transparent people all over your screen through walls.

For a mod though, this would be fantastic, call it the RealJedi mod or something.
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Apr 05 2003 08:51pm

Silencio
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 Silencio

I wanna be able to push and pull at the same time.
imagine a stormie running towards you: you pull at his torso and push his head, giving him a TERRIBLE whiplash :P
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Apr 05 2003 06:54pm

Sniya
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 Sniya

love the idea.RAVEN ME WANT FORCE FIREBALLS.fires always cool.
yuo know what id love somekind of way to sense danger like the movie jedi-a jedi should not be able to be surprised:alliance:
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Apr 05 2003 04:34pm

TiTo (inactive)
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 TiTo (inactive)

On the Raven Forums we've discussed a conentration meter...:)
And i suggested two forces to go with it... http://ravenforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1646
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