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Va'kion - Student  |
There were a great many Sith Lords that were mentioned in the Star Wars Universe, but since there are only two at the same time after Darth Bane, there is no real way to compare them.
Who do you think was the greatest Sith Lord? Please list your reasons. _______________ I'm a resident Ashlan Philosopher |
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Who was the greatest Sith Lord?
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Ãà rth Àpòçålýpsè - Student 
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I choose other because i did not see Darth Apocalypse up there!
Darth Apocalypse, Dark Lord of the Sith, and best Lord that ever lived! _______________ New -[DE]- Site. |
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Master Brakiss - Student 
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I really don't know but i'm speaking for the sith since i am dark side sensitive. I bwant to be a jedi though. i am Brakiss former student of Luke and Dark Jedi master rocks _______________ Unofficial master of Chaud and Tori |
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Va'kion - Student 
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I think a game where you can play as any Sith would be fun. A game where you use ancient sith forces powers such as the though bomb, the illusionary serpents Exar Kun used to strike down Skywalker, Black Sith lightning and force storms. Use ancient weapons such as the Lavorok, sith sword, and light whip. Plan, spy, decieve and destroy as the greatest warlords in the Galaxy.
That would be my idea of a great game. (Jedi need not apply) ~Va'kion _______________ I'm a resident Ashlan Philosopher |
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Kaldør - Student 
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My vote is other; Sauce is hands down the greatest Sith Lord. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: True. I agree with you about power. I was just using Revan as an example because he's one of the oldest Sith Lords we know about.
~Va'kion There are older and arguably stronger than revan though.. Revan was roughly what, 4000 BBY? Exar was before then, as was Freedon Nadd. Naga sadow and even Ulic. Quote: As a Jedi, Freedon Nadd displayed considerable power. He was regarded as a prodigy by the Masters of his time, many of whom believed Nadd's own Mastery would be attained far sooner than any other student before him.
Quote: After being consumed by the dark side, learning the powers of the Sith, and benefitting from the power of Freedon Nadd's amulet, Kun's power in the Force became extraordinary. He had a strong Force Sense, the ability of Force Flight, and was capable of emitting blasts from his hands that could crumble stone walls and kill Sithspawn with a few hits. Jedi Oss Wilum described him as "immensely strong with the Force." His studies of ancient Sith scrolls, and the designs of Naga Sadow on Yavin 4, also gave Kun a more than working mastery of Sith Alchemy
And so on. Really revan if anything was on par with the ones who really would battle for the throne. But i dont consider him in the top 5 by any means. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
This comment was edited by NotSoLittleCaesar on Mar 06 2009 04:19am. |
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Carbonel - Student |
Me |
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Va'kion - Student
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True. I agree with you about power. I was just using Revan as an example because he's one of the oldest Sith Lords we know about.
~Va'kion _______________ I'm a resident Ashlan Philosopher |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: Bane was decidedly one of the best Sith Lords, but we must remember that Bane got most of his immense knowledge from a holocron created by Darth Revan. Revan would never have revealed all his secrets in his holocron, so I can safely assume that Revan was greater than bane.
ps. If you've read "Darth Bane: Rule of Two" you should know what I'm talking about! ~Va'kion didnt Revan find most of the knowledge somewhere? i think power is in collecting information and then using it to full potential. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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Still quite suprised so few people name Exar. Or Ulic for that matter.
Either way though, its pretty much accepted that sidious was the best at what he did, Being the only sith to near enough entirely eradicated the Jedi Order, and established his rule over the galaxy, other sith had crippled the jedi order severely but none with so little brute army force, or as quickly. Weather or not he's entirely the most down right powerful is another matter. I'd not consider the 'so and so learnt from so and so' argument too valid really, learners quite often become better or more powerful than their masters, which also counts for people like Luke, who arguably became more powerful than Obi. Marka ragnos is defiantly amidst the top few, and really shouldn't be discarded by any means from a top 5 or so spot, Sure sidious or Revan were both immensly powerful, but marka ragnos proved superior to all the other sith lords at the time, and kept them somewhat in line. The whole Kotor 2 sith lord bunch are all powerful, especially Sion and Nihilus. Sion was pretty much immortal and Nihilus well, correct me if im wrong (Which i may be, having not played Kotor since release) but the key reasons nih' died is because he didnt/couldn't use his power against The exile? Or am i wrong? Caedus is also worth an eye in, maybe not at the same league as say, Sidious, Kun, Bane or that 'top powerhouse bunch' as it were, but definatly powerful. He's much in the same situation as vader, being that, In my opinion, never reached his maximum prowess. He was one of the strongest jedi of his time and age, and the only reason Jaina had the upper hand on him is because of her Mandalorian training, and he only died because she thought he was tricking her when trying to warn someone. Another reason the whole learning from so and so wouldn't work is that sith knowledge was handed down from sith to sith, mixed and matched and so on. Its like comparing A modern basketball player to some of the old allstars, sure the new one would do alot more fancy stuff and score more, but only due to all the people before him figuring it all out, but he's still gunna score more (As an example) so its hard to truly say who is more powerful. If you understand my example. Im gunna have to say its pretty much impossible to settle on a definitive most powerful. I mean, i'd say Sidious was by far the most 'intelligent' in a tactical sense, but theres not too much evidence to presume he could take on any of the other sith lords of their generations. Darth Caedus, Bane, Kun, Sidious, Marka Ragnos. All of them pretty much deserve a top 10 list, but im not sure. A quick reason (Or, another reason) kun deserves a tad more love than he seems to be getting in this thread, a quote from wookiee ' Quote: His mastery of Sith alchemy resulted in the creation of battle hydras, terentateks, Night Beast, the Golden Globe, his light battle suit, and the mass genocide and extinction of the Massassi race.
Ontop of that, he was recognised as an amazingly skilled lightsaber duelist (Aswell as creating the Saber staff.) and constantly re-appears through out the starwars series. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Va'kion - Student 
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Bane was decidedly one of the best Sith Lords, but we must remember that Bane got most of his immense knowledge from a holocron created by Darth Revan. Revan would never have revealed all his secrets in his holocron, so I can safely assume that Revan was greater than bane.
ps. If you've read "Darth Bane: Rule of Two" you should know what I'm talking about! ~Va'kion _______________ I'm a resident Ashlan Philosopher |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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I'd go with Darth Traya, although I myself am not sure she counts as the greatest Sith Lord, rather one of the greatest antagonists in a more general sense. Revan could well deserve this title, however we don't know much about his time as a Sith Lord first hand, although apparently he was less psychopathic and mindless and more cold and logical, with his ultimate aim being to make the Republic strong enough to withstand the real Sith.
Sidious and Bane are the other two that spring to mind, however I don't know much about Bane, and Sidious was just too crazy evil. In my opinion he lost it when he became Emperor, and essentially brought about his own demise, as well as the end of the Rule of Two. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: Yoda was a pillar of the Light Side, and Sidious was a cloud of the Dark. Yoda could never defeat Sidious because, pain only made him stronger, so turning his force lightning back on him didn't work. Only by completely destroying him, with something he couldn't control, aka "The Death Star" could Sidious be killed.
~Va'kion Depends what you mean by 'killed'. Sidious came back in multiple re-incarnations after ROTJ ended. Found something today; Vader was set to be (If he hadn't lost his legs/arm and been mortally wounded.) he would have been at least twice as powerful as Sidious, with the suit and injuries it stood at about 80% of it. Pretty cool stuff', helps people get their mind around how powerful vader was going to be. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Va'kion - Student
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Yoda was a pillar of the Light Side, and Sidious was a cloud of the Dark. Yoda could never defeat Sidious because, pain only made him stronger, so turning his force lightning back on him didn't work. Only by completely destroying him, with something he couldn't control, aka "The Death Star" could Sidious be killed.
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Very good point, totally forgot about all of them when I was typing that. What I was trying to get across though was I thought Yoda and Palpatine were quite evenly matched. They came to a bit of a stale mate, because Yoda obviouvly needed to kill Palpatine, and he couldn't. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol This comment was edited by Cuthalion on Jan 11 2009 12:20pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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Quote: Quote: "Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
- Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology, p. 84 Couldn't defeat him.. But he didnt lose. I would only say after battle with a lightsaber, Death is loss. anything you can walk away from is a draw or above. So mace didnt beat palp, obi didnt beat anakin, Dooku didnt beat Anakin. Not all saber duels ended in death. I'd call getting your ass tossed into a rather large hole losing. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Quote: why isnt artex on here he currently holds a vicegrip on the galaxy
Tallepyon > artex |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Quote: "Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
- Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology, p. 84 Couldn't defeat him.. But he didnt lose. I would only say after battle with a lightsaber, Death is loss. anything you can walk away from is a draw or above. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Nah im sticking with Exar. Simply ue to canonly he Wiped out an entire race, Mastered sith alchemy, was noted to have 'amazing saber skills'. Ulic could be pretty high up there aswell, sidious was more intelligent that amazingly powerful, but i quote (After googling the question)
Quote: "Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
- Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology, p. 84 Artex also need a spot.. yes.. yes he does. luck tbh. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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Nah im sticking with Exar. Simply ue to canonly he Wiped out an entire race, Mastered sith alchemy, was noted to have 'amazing saber skills'. Ulic could be pretty high up there aswell, sidious was more intelligent that amazingly powerful, but i quote (After googling the question)
Quote: "Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history."
- Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology, p. 84 Artex also need a spot.. yes.. yes he does. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Artex - Student 
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why isnt artex on here he currently holds a vicegrip on the galaxy _______________ Sluglife |
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Cuthalion - Padawan
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Definitely Bane
Quote: Kaan led him to a Sith holocron, where he was attacked by barnacle-like creatures called orbalisks.[7] They attached themselves to Bane's body, causing tremendous pain as they became a part of him. These creatures were able to resist lightsaber blows, making Bane almost invincible in battle, although the orbalisks could not be removed through any known methods.
Basically he was saber proof. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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Bane of the Sith - Student 
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Darth Bane, of course. He brought the Sith out of darkness, and into glory. (Spoken like a true drone of the Sith.) That and he learned it from Revan. _______________ May the Force be with us always. |
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Cuthalion - Padawan
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The unknown Darth Dave!! _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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Rouc Ro'Dor - Student 
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Quote: Darth Vader, and Sidious too but Vader is better cos he killed Sidious, HAHHAA!
 Im thinking that same |
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Cloud Senatu - Student 
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Quote: Qui-Gon
Definate SITH! It would explain why he sucked so much as a Jedi. LOL! |
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