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Jan 16 2009 11:01am

Cuthalion
 - Padawan
Cuthalion
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Communism, in essence, is not possible with a large group of people and has been tried over and over again. No government follows their ideal doctrine word for word and even Stalin could be said to have attempted communism.

Sure it might sound absurd, knowing the Soviet Union was anything but classless, but even the United States' democracy is not truly a democracy (we do not technically pick our presidents, we pick who picks our presidents. So in a sense we are a blend of democracy with a touch of aristocracy).

I maintain my stance saying that it has been practiced many times. Complete failures that mutated into something else, but all governments fail to meet their doctrines word for word.

P.S: If you want to put it like that, no government is truly practiced (besides maybe dictatorships). They are all interpreted by those who establish the government.


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Communism, in essence, is not possible with a large group of people and has been tried over and over again. No government follows their ideal doctrine word for word and even Stalin could be said to have attempted communism.


Communism needs capitalism to survive :)
and actually communism is based on capitalism economy, at first... So yes government should have followed their ideal doctrine word for word...

It was just hard to them to admit that they need capitalism... So they weren't real communists :)

That's why their attempts went all wrong :)

So there isn't any proves that actual communism can't work in concretely...

So my stance stays...

But yeah I did notice also this might be a opinion in question... It is hard to fight with opinions and It is actually stupid to argue with opinions over internet...

Now

P.S

Dun Dun Dunnnnn!!!! Who gets the last word... I'm sure It is not me... Because Amik needs to say the last word :P (yeah I know this is unfair!)

But still Amik is awesome person <3


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I think what Maher and Amik were trying to suggest to us, through analogy, was that whether actual communism failed or a failed implementation of communism failed is probably just a matter of semantics much like whether the master/padawan titles appear as official. Right? If two students are successful in developing such a rapport, it is unlikely either will care if they are allowed to declare this as official. I suspect it would only matter if they are foolish enough to proceed and declare it as official, for then surely the Jedi Council would have to hunt them down and PWN them, thereby making it more like a Sith Coucil. However, much like communism or a failed implementation of communism, as we all know, a Sith Council is inevitably doomed to degrade into an Imperium and finally we will be able to lame other students without consequence. Unfortunately, for the time being, no laming………………………..asked and answered.



Well we shall start with Communism.

Please continue. Also feel free to say anything you like. :)
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Feb 24 2009 12:08pm

Odin
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 Odin

Radicalism!!! For life! :cool:
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Feb 10 2009 08:48pm

Va'kion
 - Student
 Va'kion

Randomness ;)

~Va'kion
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Feb 05 2009 10:02pm

Tallepyon
 - Student
 Tallepyon

Fascism ftw

Feb 04 2009 03:16pm

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

buttockstics
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Feb 04 2009 02:53pm

Laziana
 - Jedi Instructor
 Laziana

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any one have any more to say on politics?


Yeah, i have.

Why not just be a nice person and use common sense? Well, then we would have no politics :P

Don't drink and drive!

- Laz
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Feb 04 2009 02:35pm

Cuthalion
 - Padawan
 Cuthalion

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bump!


Seen as the Philosophy thread has been locked, any one have any more to say on politics?

Democracy?
Communism?
Capitalism?
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This comment was edited by Cuthalion on Feb 04 2009 02:36pm.

Feb 01 2009 11:17am

Cuthalion
 - Padawan
 Cuthalion

bump!
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Jan 21 2009 11:21pm

Maher
 - Jedi Knight
 Maher

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pardon, make that the lone shining black knight of democracy**

:P


Why so serious! :D
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Jan 21 2009 10:05am

Komence
 - Student
 Komence

pardon, make that the lone shining black knight of democracy**

:P

Jan 21 2009 01:43am

Maher
 - Jedi Knight
 Maher

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does that actually mean anything? it doesnt denie, but does it give a proper way to deal with?


yep :)


if it did give a proper way wouldnt that mean it would work for real?


Depends on your experience, how much you have discovered the society :)
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Jan 21 2009 12:40am

SaZ
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 SaZ

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does that actually mean anything? it doesnt denie, but does it give a proper way to deal with?


yep :)


if it did give a proper way wouldnt that mean it would work for real?
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Jan 20 2009 10:18pm

Maher
 - Jedi Knight
 Maher

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does that actually mean anything? it doesnt denie, but does it give a proper way to deal with?


yep :)
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Jan 20 2009 08:27pm

Masta
 - Jedi Council
 Masta

@Tarpman
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Thought and behavior are determined by material conditions, not the other way around.

"It is not the consciousness of men that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness." - Marx, critique of political economy

You base your arguments on the assumption that "human nature" (if such a thing even exists) is somehow fixed, static and will inevitably lead to unfairness and corruption. You didn't give me any compelling reason to accept that, but i do have to admit that undesirable traits seem fairly natural in an environment that fosters and encourages them though.
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Jan 20 2009 08:15pm

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

does that actually mean anything? it doesnt denie, but does it give a proper way to deal with?
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Jan 20 2009 08:13pm

Maher
 - Jedi Knight
 Maher

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well since we're human, that just opens the door to all sorts of interesting favouritism and corruption


Now we are talking :) That's again true... But that's also what Marx's Capital Theory doesn't denie :D
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This comment was edited by Maher on Jan 20 2009 08:13pm.

Jan 20 2009 08:00pm

Augusta_Mintaka
 - Student
 Augusta_Mintaka

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my opinion is that america is the lone shining white knight of democracy in a world filled with scoundrel communists. particularly the canadians.

QFT


Quoted because it's sheer pig ignorance. I love America, but they don't stand alone pal.


QFLoSH (Quoted for lack of satirical humor)
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Jan 20 2009 07:07pm

tarpman
 - The Tarped Avenger
 tarpman

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my opinion is that america is the lone shining white knight of democracy in a world filled with scoundrel communists. particularly the canadians.

shutup or I'll redistribute you!

okay, seriously though. communism/marxism cannot possibly work, not until humans become enlightened. if each person is responsible for deciding how much he needs, there will inevitably be laziness and competition (since we are still human). if the government decides how much each person gets, it's not communism anymore, but rather some kind of dictatorship or such. and if each person who puts something into the pool decides who gets it? well since we're human, that just opens the door to all sorts of interesting favouritism and corruption, a lot like what historical attempts at communism turned into.

arguments welcome.
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Jan 20 2009 05:23pm

planK
 - Jedi Council
 planK

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my opinion is that america is the lone shining white knight of democracy in a world filled with scoundrel communists. particularly the canadians.

QFT


Quoted because it's sheer pig ignorance. I love America, but they don't stand alone pal.

Jan 18 2009 08:40pm

Augusta_Mintaka
 - Student
 Augusta_Mintaka

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my opinion is that america is the lone shining white knight of democracy in a world filled with scoundrel communists. particularly the canadians.


God bless America and F**k everyone else :D


QFE!
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Jan 18 2009 08:13pm

Tallepyon
 - Student
 Tallepyon

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my opinion is that america is the lone shining white knight of democracy in a world filled with scoundrel communists. particularly the canadians.


God bless America and F**k everyone else :D

Jan 18 2009 06:47pm

Augusta_Mintaka
 - Student
 Augusta_Mintaka

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my opinion is that america is the lone shining white knight of democracy in a world filled with scoundrel communists. particularly the canadians.

QFT
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Jan 18 2009 06:32pm

Maher
 - Jedi Knight
 Maher

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lol yeah stupid yet true i know


I need to ask, how much life you have exactly seen ?
Because that's again so black and white... that It can't be even a decent truth...

yes I have seen those who are extremely greedy, but in here at finland, I also know people who are living decent life with humble amount of property... To me, It is wonder, somebody can even survive like that ;)

I need to say when I compare myself to those... I'm living like a king... eventhought It isn't much to somebody, but still I'm happy with :)

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Need to add, everything is about relativity...

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But also It needs some common sense... :)

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typos
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This comment was edited by Maher on Jan 18 2009 06:39pm.

Jan 18 2009 05:40pm

SaZ
 - Student
 SaZ

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we are greedy simple as that


That's a hack of generalization... Don't you think ?
If you see one greedy person, It doesn't have to mean all humans are greedy... :)


generally you could call everyone greedy. some extremely greedy while others not so much :P
lol yeah stupid yet true i know :)

also you cant hack generalization... or can you? lol
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Jan 18 2009 05:28pm

Maher
 - Jedi Knight
 Maher

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my opinion is that america is the lone shining white knight of democracy in a world filled with scoundrel communists. particularly the canadians.


:D
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Jan 18 2009 05:16pm

Komence
 - Student
 Komence

my opinion is that america is the lone shining white knight of democracy in a world filled with scoundrel communists. particularly the canadians.

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