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ZantuS - Student  |
http://templeofthejediorder.org/index.php
Wow... Someone's jedi oath on that site: Quote: I profess before all my fellow Jedi, that I Aaron Johnson born on June 05 1975, without reservation, choose the Jedi path, with all it's duties and responsibilities, I shall do that which is right and profess my allegiance to the Force and it's will. I vow to uphold the Jedi teachings, and to henceforth devote myself to the life of a Jedi. _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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ZantuS - Student 
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Who is saying anything about the bible being non-fictional?! _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" This comment was edited by ZantuS on Jan 27 2009 06:26pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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The main problem i have with having a 'jedi' religion.
Is just that, its a JEDI religion. A religion made completely fictionally. And the 'how do you know the wind is there' is a terrible example. You can visually see the effects of the wind, feel it it while you're in it. And everyone can, its a universal acceptance. While i think the force is a just as logical religious premise as alot of them i always come upon the feeling that it was written in fiction, and then adopted as a real religion. Bible was written by men. It can be considered as 'fictional' by us as well. The writers of bible put some ideas into it and some people tried to realize them. There are things 'unnatural' to modern person. Jedi were created by a man. He put some ideas into them and some people try to realize them. What's the difference? That G. Lucas used modern way of creating something, what brought us some ideals? Come on. Or do you claim that bible was 100% non fictional...? 
 Johauna The bible was written about the experiences of a person whether you believe them or not (Which i personally do not, or, more so believe that its all extremely over-exaggerated. . George lucas created the jedi and the force as a premise to base his story around. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Quote: The main problem i have with having a 'jedi' religion.
Is just that, its a JEDI religion. A religion made completely fictionally. And the 'how do you know the wind is there' is a terrible example. You can visually see the effects of the wind, feel it it while you're in it. And everyone can, its a universal acceptance. While i think the force is a just as logical religious premise as alot of them i always come upon the feeling that it was written in fiction, and then adopted as a real religion. Bible was written by men. It can be considered as 'fictional' by us as well. The writers of bible put some ideas into it and some people tried to realize them. There are things 'unnatural' to modern person. Jedi were created by a man. He put some ideas into them and some people try to realize them. What's the difference? That G. Lucas used modern way of creating something, what brought us some ideals? Come on. Or do you claim that bible was 100% non fictional...?
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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The main problem i have with having a 'jedi' religion.
Is just that, its a JEDI religion. A religion made completely fictionally. And the 'how do you know the wind is there' is a terrible example. You can visually see the effects of the wind, feel it it while you're in it. And everyone can, its a universal acceptance. While i think the force is a just as logical religious premise as alot of them i always come upon the feeling that it was written in fiction, and then adopted as a real religion. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Jediists NEVER dare to claim that our way is only the one 'right' way. That is what makes us non-conflict group.
Oh, so that's why you're so intolerant of the Sith! They aren't intolerant of Sith... Jedi has never been intolerant of anybody... But Jedi are peacekeepers which is why they can't let anybody to destroy life... Now Sith are intolerant of Jedi... that's the fact  Because It is their nature...
j00 c0nfus3r!  _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Masta, I thought you knew better than that...
Most people think that Jediism means that we are as dogmatic as Jedi from Star Wars. Yes, I'm claiming that the Jedi from star Wars, mainly the Old Republic and Pre-Imperium Jedi were dogmatic. Jediism is far from that. Of course, we strive towards the 'good' - Yes, i'm aware that could lead to discussions like 'what is good and what is bad'. But generally, the population would define our intentions as good ones. Improvement of the human being, knowing yourself, trying to see the world not only with eyes, which can actually deceive you. Being a Jedi is not about having a celibate. Being a Jedi is not even about swinging a lightsaber. I'd paraphrase one actually good version of Jedi code. Emotions, yet Peace Ignorance, yet knowledge Passion, yet Serenity Death, yet the Force Chaos, yet harmony This code doesn't deny neither of the aspects, the Jedi are taught to strive towards the other ones. It does not deny our emotions, emotions are what make us human beings. It does not deny the fact, that as human beings we will NEVER know everything, it's simply impossible. It does not deny the fact that there's a chaos around us, it teaches you to remain in harmony with yourself and the world around you, to not be influenced and touched by it and try to make things better. I could go on with the explanation, but I don't want to - I don't need to convince anyone. I just wanted to clarify some misunderstanding for those, who thought that being a Jedi is about celibate, swinging a fake lightsaber and what not. Johauna _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist This comment was edited by †Johauna Darkrider†on Jan 27 2009 06:14pm. |
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ZantuS - Student
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I thought it would be a good laugh?! No! I am asking because of my interest in the matter and you say I want to pick on people? Not nice... _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Jediists NEVER dare to claim that our way is only the one 'right' way. That is what makes us non-conflict group.
Oh, so that's why you're so intolerant of the Sith! _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student
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Quote: I hope that was not for me... How do you feel the force besides tingling? The beauty of the nature like most christians for example? And oooooh Cuth don't say that, might make this thread awfully offtopic Yes, it was apparently for you and few others who thought it would be good to laugh... And asking how the Force 'feels' - it's like asking 'How does wind feel' or 'How does water feel'. It's really difficult to describe that and I'm not even going to try, since all you want is to pick on these people and prove your point of 'being right'. As for religions and wars - Cuth, yes, I agree. But that's because most of 'big' religions preach, that their ways and their 'God' is the onle one and 'right'. And if you have another religion, you are a heretic, enemy, etc. That idea is what makes it conflicting. Not the religions itself. Sadly, it's 'hardcoded' in human nature to compete and try to prove you are better than the others. That does cause wars. Not people who follow some, perhaps even good ideals. Don't get me wrong, I find christians as very dogmatic, especially those at the top... look at current pope... Jediists NEVER dare to claim that our way is only the one 'right' way. That is what makes us non-conflict group. Johauna _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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ZantuS - Student 
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Quote: But don't try to ridicule those who experienced things 'above normal logic', just because you didn't/didn't want to/tried. I hope that was not for me... How do you feel the force besides tingling? The beauty of the nature like most christians for example? And oooooh Cuth don't say that, might make this thread awfully offtopic _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Personally I dont have a Religion. There is to much wrong in the world for there to be a higher power, who would allow such suffering.
Religion is usually the foundation stone of every battle / war / fight in history. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student
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Quote: So, that oath of yours, have you done it on the forums there? Or just making it here to stop/prevent this ridiculing? Please excuse my lack of time and patience because I'm not searching their forum thoroughly enough.
Do YOU feel this "Force"? Yes, I actually posted that oath there on their forums. I've been following Jediism since 2003 - true that I've not been active 'online' much recently, on the communities, but it's not only about chatting about these things online, it's more about living them, as it's a way of life. And yes, I do feel the Force. Besides that, I'm strongly empathic, feeling everyone's feelings and emotions. If you passed me in real-life, I'd know about you, feel your presence like small tingling. Like you would 'touch' me, but you would not need to do so physically. I could go on, but it is not my job to try to convince you about how 'true' this is. If you don't believe in these things, that's perfectly fine with me. But don't try to ridicule those who experienced things 'above normal logic', just because you didn't/didn't want to/tried. Thank you. Johauna _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Quote: It's easy to judge others and their beliefs. And trust me, claiming 'that is impossible' is as bad as when someone religious tries to convince you about 'one and only' religion, despite of you telling them you are not interested.
Laughing at someone for their beliefs is disrespectful, and let me tell you one thing - if you think that if something is not seen and therefore it doesn't exist - following that logic, you could say that wind doesn't exist. You don't see wind. You feel it. The same is with the Force. Don't like people who critize and never are able to tolerate others opinions without riciduling them. It's called respect - and it should be mutual. If you are unable to be respectful and tolerant, well... can't change you, but it certainly gives me a view on you. As far as i'm concerned. Johauna
PS: If you want to laugh, go ahead, here's my own oath, so if you feel need to laugh, i'll be your target, if it makes you feel any better: Quote: "I profess before all my fellow Jedi that I, Jana Otahalova born on October 9th, 1984, without reservation, choose the Jedi path, with all its duties and responsibilities. I shall do that which is right and profess my allegiance to the Force and its will. I vow to uphold the Jedi teachings, and to henceforth devote myself to the life of a Jedi.
May the Force be with you." <3 Jo is just awesome! and thank you _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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ZantuS - Student
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So, that oath of yours, have you done it on the forums there? Or just making it here to stop/prevent this ridiculing? Please excuse my lack of time and patience because I'm not searching their forum thoroughly enough.
Do YOU feel this "Force"? _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" This comment was edited by ZantuS on Jan 27 2009 03:20pm. |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student
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It's easy to judge others and their beliefs. And trust me, claiming 'that is impossible' is as bad as when someone religious tries to convince you about 'one and only' religion, despite of you telling them you are not interested.
Laughing at someone for their beliefs is disrespectful, and let me tell you one thing - if you think that if something is not seen and therefore it doesn't exist - following that logic, you could say that wind doesn't exist. You don't see wind. You feel it. The same is with the Force. Don't like people who critize and never are able to tolerate others opinions without riciduling them. It's called respect - and it should be mutual. If you are unable to be respectful and tolerant, well... can't change you, but it certainly gives me a view on you. As far as i'm concerned. Johauna
PS: If you want to laugh, go ahead, here's my own oath, so if you feel need to laugh, i'll be your target, if it makes you feel any better: Quote: "I profess before all my fellow Jedi that I, Jana Otahalova born on October 9th, 1984, without reservation, choose the Jedi path, with all its duties and responsibilities. I shall do that which is right and profess my allegiance to the Force and its will. I vow to uphold the Jedi teachings, and to henceforth devote myself to the life of a Jedi.
May the Force be with you." _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Hang on..
Right.. Force pull my cup of milk into my hand from about 6 inches... *extends arm and opens up hand in cup holding manner, whilst willing the cup moving into my hand* ... ... No. Had to reach for it. Damn. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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No nerves stricken at all! _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Cloud Senatu - Student 
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Well, I was just giving you my point of view on the matter, my own sense about it...
I didn't say that to make you think that the Force DOES exist, just my point of view on the matter that the "Force" could exist... I don't mean to get on peoples nerves with my point of view... This comment was edited by Cloud Senatu on Jan 25 2009 08:55pm. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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It would surprise me to no ends if he was actually extradited here. Thing is, he would most likely be given a six figure job in the CIA instead of an execution. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I doubt there are people who could bend spoons with their thought alone (they could cash in millions of dollars through the challenges provided by people who do not believe in such powers), but I don't doubt that military organizations have put in millions researching the subject.
Let's all raid our nation's military headquarters and see the truth! We can get alien existence, cure for cancer/aids, Nazi gold and all of those supposed government cover ups over with while we're at it. Someone tried to do this to the USA. They want to extradite and execute him. 
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Religions, ideals/isms have given to the people the principles of how to follow their ethics...
and if It makes you better person... why not... _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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Hm... a RL Jedi religion without the actual usage of force powers as they kinda don't seem to exist in the first place...
Why building a religion and saying "I am a Jedi."? I think you can have that all if you just follow some simple guidelines that many people seem to have trouble with: - Be a nice person (no dumbjack) and use your common sense I guess that's all you need. Then again... if devoting yourself to something like a Jedi can help you becoming a better person, then go for it. _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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I doubt there are people who could bend spoons with their thought alone (they could cash in millions of dollars through the challenges provided by people who do not believe in such powers), but I don't doubt that military organizations have put in millions researching the subject.
Let's all raid our nation's military headquarters and see the truth! We can get alien existence, cure for cancer/aids, Nazi gold and all of those supposed government cover ups over with while we're at it. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Quote: Well, if you look in the bible, the force could actually exist...
We've only discovered 10% of the human brain, for all we know, what's held in the other 90% could be that power. If you read in the bible, Jesus walked on the water, he called Paul out to him, Paul got out of the boot and started walking on the water. Paul only started sinking when he looked down and started to doubt what he was doing. My point is, if you believe in something enough, and I don't just mean say to yourself you believe, I mean TRULY believe, such aspects can be done. If you watch the movie Phenomenon, with John Travolta, you'll see that he moves a pencil back and forth with the motion of his hand. You'll also see that he had a tumor. What was happening, was the tumor was pressing against certain nerves in his brain, "unlocking" the ability to do what he was doing to the pencil. Now, I'm not saying I can do this, as I don't have enough belief in it, all I'm saying is that for one to TRULY believe with his soul that he can do something like move a pencil with the wave of his hand, then they can do that. BTW; Have you ever heard of an Empathic Bond, or Premonitions? Most people will say this is witch-craft. Witch-Craft is the practice of spells and such. but if you just have Premonitions in like your dreams at night, that isn't witch-craft. Anyways, where I'm going with this, is that these are some things that our mind can do. I know this because I have them. I've had slight/small premonitions in my life. I also share a strong Empathic Link with my girlfriend. The first most glaring issue with this argument is the claim "We've only discovered 10% of the human brain". This seems to be based off an urban legend. We have a pretty good idea what almost all of the brain does (in terms of function). This is a misunderstanding of research which showed that we only use 10% of our brains *at any one given time*. If you want to believe in supernatural powers, that is your choice, but there is no scientific basis for this belief whatsoever. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: This makes me wonder...have people attempted a Sith religion?
Yeah but it only has two members. "Always two there are, a master and an apprentice" blah blah.
Quote: Dont know about you guys. I try force pull in RL all the time. Never works. Someday it will though, i'm sure of it, lol.
Likewise, of course. Those times when the remote for the telebox is just out of reach, and well, you never know! _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Jan 25 2009 12:32am. |
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