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Maher - Jedi Knight  |
Because It is, indeed, a neat thing to share thoughts with each others about everything...
So This topic is going to be about everything and only about everything... Yeah you can put on some crazy stuff if you are feeling like that way, but so that nobody will get offended... Let the thoughts flow in! and lets try to found reason for everything! So what you think about this topic, about your life and about everything...? If you don't find anything major, instead of try something minor and see how It will develop... b00m! People go and think! EDIT: Due to some recent happenings on this topic... It made me to create first rules 
RULES: 1. Please don't diss the philosophy 2. If you don't like it, leave it! 3. If you like it, you post on it! _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This post was edited by Maher on Feb 01 2009 10:15pm. |
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Kaelis - On Leave 
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Clink (Shiny New Padlock)
First of 2009 - Into the abyss it goes Bye Bye 
closed by request of the creator _______________ Padawan of Roan Belouve, brother to Acura, Proud to be part of the Belouve Dynasty, Proud Owner of Jarhok's 430th comment, Dash Starlights 1600th comment, Saz's 5000th comment and Alex D'Kanas 2100 comment This comment was edited by Kaelis on Feb 02 2009 08:45pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Quote: A Cop! is all about judgement
I gave directions where to drive with these conversation... Yes, a paradox to that kindof question 'SOUNDS' like a cop out'. 'sounds',like i said. Quote: Your point is just about prove me wrong ? and It is quite understandable... Because I'm saying too much of right things >_> (btw this was provocation, again) Yeah, i'll pay ball. And im the one stating things as facts? Don't be a hypocrite. Secondly; Quote: Debate; a discussion, as of a public question in an assembly, involving opposing viewpoints: a debate in the Senate on farm price supports.
Opposing view points, Debate doesen't work with two opinions that have no differences, or with people who share the same views or opinions. you just end up agreeing entirely. . _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Quote: well it does sound like that. Trust me, that wasn't meant as an insult. Reason im saying that is, philosophy is pretty much about anything and everything', a debate is healthy until people star getting hissy and stropping off because other people dont agree with them. And you pretty much said because im arguing my pooint, and don't agree with you, you want to debate with someone else.
eh I didn't see it as insult... Judgement and Insult are two different things... Don't mix them with each others... They are two different kind of words... and I didn't take it as insult... I just told you what's my reality again ? Your point is just about prove me wrong ? and It is quite understandable... Because I'm saying too much of right things >_> (btw this was provocation, again) and look who made judgements at first place, at the start of topic ? A Cop! is all about judgement
I gave directions where to drive with this conversation... and I only answer with judgement to judgement because It is so amusing 
EDIT: Well fixed grammar, dang it Zantus <3 _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Feb 02 2009 05:17pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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Quote: Talion... I have my friends in Real Life... So It isn't that needed... But yeah you can choose are you object of my amusement or a human who can improve me... 
EDIT: Thinking is always better way than judging... what you just did... and therefore you are object of my amusement... tsk tsk well it does sound like that. Trust me, that wasn't meant as an insult. Reason im saying that is, philosophy is pretty much about anything and everything', a debate is healthy until people star getting hissy and stropping off because other people dont agree with them. And you pretty much said because im arguing my pooint, and don't agree with you, you want to debate with someone else. Correct me if im wrong. PS: zantus is a fin!? AMAGAD _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Quote: No, seriously you should... That is not the only example('Always is learning'). And yes, people can and do misunderstand your points because of your language. It happens when you directly translate Finnish expressions, which don't work in English. As a finn I see those. *
* yeah I understand that very well... Still It doesn't remove my reality... But I just wanted to be sure... EDIT: As who's problem it is, they don't understand me ? I still have many friends in here, in JA.net, who understand my english... Which is enough... Also that's why I try to improve... Third time, judging doesn't help anybody! dang it!
EDIT: One thing also... Ever heard of finglish term ? Yeah that's about meeee!
EDIT: lol I should really think these things to the end... too many edits... But yeah you can choose also are you some kind of grammar nazi or enjoying about life... Well for sure... I'm the last one... _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Feb 02 2009 04:56pm. |
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ZantuS - Student 
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No, seriously you should... That is not the only example('Always is learning'). And yes, people can and do misunderstand your points because of your language. It happens when you directly translate Finnish expressions, which don't work in English. As a finn I see those. ** _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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...always is learning
Geez you should really improve your English. People might understand you better. No I don't ? Because this is what I have... and I make quite clear points...
Anywhoo you took wrong example... 'Always is learning' It means like you see it
and I'm not fixing it even you tell me to fix it
__________________________________________________ But if you have understood my point! and you are now using my methods against me... That's just awesome! EDIT: Quote: Sounds to me like maher wants someone who will just listen to him, rather than debate with
Talion... I have my friends in Real Life... So It isn't that needed... But yeah you can choose are you object of my amusement or a human who can improve me...
EDIT: Thinking is always better way than judging... what you just did... and therefore you are object of my amusement... tsk tsk _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Feb 02 2009 04:26pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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Sounds to me like maher wants someone who will just listen to him, rather than debate with _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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ZantuS - Student 
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Quote: ...always is learning
Geez you should really improve your English. People might understand you better. _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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It is my reality! and I like world where the wars aren't raging! _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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UN, your presence is offensive to my aspirations towards world domination. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Quote: anyway its not the things you say, but how, in what way and in what context you say them.
I can answer this way... Your observation is quite understandable Sazabi as I'm doing it on purpose... Or I can answer this way... O Rly ? (Which is more provocating ?) Anywhoo I thought, for example, You knew me ? But well like I have been saying, always is learning
and that's what my philosophy is about... Knowing something isn't a self-evident truth... It is about improving point... EDIT: and I'm really sorry about I offend you... How many times I need to say it ? _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Feb 02 2009 03:57pm. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: They start to weep even more when I say something against them
why so surprised. thats life. or... 'reality' as you like to call everything. except this one is unavoidable so you cant just ignore it. anyway its not the things you say, but how, in what way and in what context you say them. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Also about that Communism topic... Still I don't know if people have tried communism for real... I hope you're not serious :p nah... I still keep my pointview on the subject... But after "healthy" debate, Amik is still seeing that subject from totally different pointview... and that's her reality
and that's about respect what I want to show towards her... Because She obviously respect our pointviews... ? But yeah all in all I like from the people... Who rather think than judge people *nods* EDIT: To Amik Quote: What good is philosophy without debate? Unless you had kept your wisdom to yourself, people will provide opposition to your views. No matter how you cut it, there are going to be those that think differently than you. Even if you do not debate, those that agree with you will debate with those that do not agree with you. It is inevitable, but ultimately required if you wish to enhance your own views.
As many people who debate will realize, you cannot win on logic alone. Abortion and stem cell research is an excellent example of this. The Question is about how to keep own reality... But others are rather to just prove my opinions wrong and doesn't think it as It would be a option... But yeah like I said when people are trying to prove me wrong... Then I think I'm just strong personality, who others can't twist... and they start to see me as selfish and proud bastard...
tsk tsk... those silly people...
EDIT: What makes it more silly... They start to weep even more when I say something against them
guh that's just about well silly... While you should answer... That's my reality like it or dump it
But once again... those who are strong personalities are saying like I just stated... Those people are what I like! *nods* _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Feb 02 2009 02:13pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: You can't have philosophy without healthy debate. It's like having to study for a test that was never going to happen! I think there is quite a lot of value in study qua study - same for philosophy; i see philosophy as a means to self-cultivation. Sure, debate is quite important because it helps you recognize and amend errors that you yourself might've overlooked, or test the usefulness, quality and value of one particular viewpoint against another, but ultimately, the true value of philosophy lies in its applicability to life and how it translates into your everyday coping with the various phenomena of the world. That's why i like ethics so much as well - it helps me live a better and more thoroughly examined life.
If it does not have any consequences in the life of an individual, it becomes a mere act of mental masturbation; something to do when you have too much time on your hands. Quote: Also about that Communism topic... Still I don't know if people have tried communism for real... I hope you're not serious :p _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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What good is philosophy without debate? Unless you had kept your wisdom to yourself, people will provide opposition to your views. No matter how you cut it, there are going to be those that think differently than you. Even if you do not debate, those that agree with you will debate with those that do not agree with you. It is inevitable, but ultimately required if you wish to enhance your own views.
As many people who debate will realize, you cannot win on logic alone. Abortion and stem cell research is an excellent example of this. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Quote: You can't have philosophy without healthy debate. It's like having to study for a test that was never going to happen!
Really ? Because now seriously I need to say... People have taught me wrong way then ? As I thought everything from provocation to Sokrates methods are valid tactics to practise philosophy ? EDIT: You just need to do it that way, you don't blind yourself with feelings, which is hard to me at times... But great example and It is about you Amik; Do you still remember that Artex's topic, where we did argue about that subject of life is always controlled by something...etc Well It might seem like I didn't like you, (at first I didn't) because I thought you were just saying things to show how wise you were... Anywhoo while I started to think your foundation for your arguments, you started to seem totally sincere to me... and I started to like your way of reasoning things that way I started to like you... Also about that Communism topic... Still I don't know if people have tried communism for real... but hack it was fun to discuss and think about it.... and then I liked to tease you a little bit... anywhoo I learnt that you were she!
So yeah... My learning and discovering ways of philosophy are totally different
But I learnt, how awesome person Amik is, whatsoever ^^ EDIT: edited edit dang typos! _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Feb 02 2009 07:36am. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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You can't have philosophy without healthy debate. It's like having to study for a test that was never going to happen! _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Quote: I might be mistake but I believe that we're all skipping the "philosophy" in this thread. This is more of a comparative politics debate. I could be wrong though. However, it would be an easy mistake to make as many philosophers were also considered comparativists and the concept as a whole is derived from philosophy.
Philosophy is more the pursuit of knowledge and it is this pursuit that breeds wisdom. Debates in and of themselves go against philosophy because instead of asking more about a particular stance, you're refuting it. You're not pursuing new knowledge so much as exerting your current knowledge using well formed and logical arguments. Correct me if I am wrong, please. I, personally, like to pursue knowledge and would love to be further educated regarding the subject. In all honesty, You are right... yet It doesn't mean I would be wrong as how I want to discover the way of philosophy... It might seem very childish, indeed, but still I have allready reached my side-goals and a head goal with it... Everything is about philosophy... Laws, Science, Psychology, Math, Movies, Writing, Music, Arts, Martial Arts, Facts and Fictions... In Philosophy, Everybody loves knowledge and they love to think... But yeah... Lets try different way for now on... As I mentioned term 'google' cheap.... What everybody thinks about this praxis; You don't know something at that moment, yet you can just type right words to the search machine, have your information what you need and 'ego' with it ? I have many times cheaped myself this way and It feels horrible, indeed...
EDIT: Typos and Sentence Reforming... _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber This comment was edited by Maher on Feb 02 2009 07:13am. |
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Fullmetal D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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I might be mistake but I believe that we're all skipping the "philosophy" in this thread. This is more of a comparative politics debate. I could be wrong though. However, it would be an easy mistake to make as many philosophers were also considered comparativists and the concept as a whole is derived from philosophy.
Philosophy is more the pursuit of knowledge and it is this pursuit that breeds wisdom. Debates in and of themselves go against philosophy because instead of asking more about a particular stance, you're refuting it. You're not pursuing new knowledge so much as exerting your current knowledge using well formed and logical arguments. Correct me if I am wrong, please. I, personally, like to pursue knowledge and would love to be further educated regarding the subject. _______________ 
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Quote: We can nuke New York without hesitation. They are far too close to Canada to be trusted!
lol! That cracked me up again for real... _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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We can nuke New York without hesitation. They are far too close to Canada to be trusted! _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Peave and Love anyone? _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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yet it will more harder than you think... The Sympathy of People lives in us... _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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That's why the abolishment of the UN is one of our primary goals. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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You aren't going to do anything without UN's permission! Period! _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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