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So lets try again ( Conversations of Philosophy )
Feb 02 2009 08:43pm

Maher
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Maher
Because It is, indeed, a neat thing to share thoughts with each others about everything...

So This topic is going to be about everything and only about everything...

Yeah you can put on some crazy stuff if you are feeling like that way, but so that nobody will get offended...

Let the thoughts flow in! and lets try to found reason for everything!

So what you think about this topic, about your life and about everything...?

If you don't find anything major, instead of try something minor and see how It will develop...

b00m! People go and think!

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Due to some recent happenings on this topic... It made me to create first rules :eek:

RULES:

1. Please don't diss the philosophy
2. If you don't like it, leave it!
3. If you like it, you post on it!
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This post was edited by Maher on Feb 01 2009 10:15pm.

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Feb 02 2009 08:42pm

Kaelis
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Clink (Shiny New Padlock)

First of 2009 - Into the abyss it goes

Bye Bye :)

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Feb 01 2009 06:34pm

NotSoLittleCaesar
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 NotSoLittleCaesar

Firstly, that was a pointless comment. (UN.)

secondly no, i haven't said anything is a fact, nor that anything is wrong. Im arguing the point. I dont believe in any 'higher power', not by any conventional means. Apart from the spaghetti monster.
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This comment was edited by NotSoLittleCaesar on Feb 01 2009 06:36pm.

Feb 01 2009 06:34pm

ZantuS
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 ZantuS

Oh come on...that was just pointless! How can you find anything arguable in what Janitor said? You say someone knows about the time before the bigbangbang?
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This comment was edited by ZantuS on Feb 01 2009 06:35pm.

Feb 01 2009 06:32pm

Maher
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 Maher

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Ask a physicist what was before the big bang, you'll usually get the ''Don't ask that question.'' evolution wasn't starting before the big bang. Also.. the big bang is not.. improving? The universe is expanding, thats it. Humanity s on some big rock at the outer edges of a galaxy.


nobod knows what was previous to the big bang. Most physicists wont delve into it on a fully scientific basis, it will be philosophical. hence hawking saying that. It could just as easily be a spaghetti monster backflipping around the empty space in which the universe would presumably expand into.


yeh and you are coming to philosophy topic... Which is about everything... and you are trying to state facts as they are facts ?

Anything is debatable...

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I rather use term... My personal opinion... and note everything on this topic is about my personal opinion... Even if I'm saying ''fact''
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This comment was edited by Maher on Feb 01 2009 06:35pm.

Feb 01 2009 06:32pm

SaZ
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"cheese/best JEDI EVA"-kind of comments are not good for this topic


cheese is important.
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Feb 01 2009 06:29pm

Masta
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 Masta

Cuth, could you please define the term "convoluted argument"?
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Feb 01 2009 06:28pm

NotSoLittleCaesar
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 NotSoLittleCaesar

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phew... you answered... so I don't need to edit my reply... Which could make It even more confusing... thanks!

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Ask a physicist what was before the big bang, you'll usually get the ''Don't ask that question.'' evolution wasn't starting before the big bang. Also.. the big bang is not.. improving? The universe is expanding, thats it. Humanity s on some big rock at the outer edges of a galaxy.


eh well ? I have actually been discussing with physicist "professors"(if title means anything to you) about it... Most likely the answer wasn't ''Don't ask about it''

but yeah their answer weren't that important... After all I have gotten best answer from the book... Don't know english translation for it... but It was Stephen Hawkins' book...

"Anything what was behind big bang... It is totally in god's hands" :)

Don't know if I translated it right way :P

But that's how I see that thing at the moment...

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I told you so.


Cuth stay on the topic :P


nobod knows what was previous to the big bang. Most physicists wont delve into it on a fully scientific basis, it will be philosophical. hence hawking saying that. It could just as easily be a spaghetti monster backflipping around the empty space in which the universe would presumably expand into.
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Feb 01 2009 06:24pm

Maher
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 Maher

phew... you answered... so I don't need to edit my reply... Which could make It even more confusing... thanks!

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Ask a physicist what was before the big bang, you'll usually get the ''Don't ask that question.'' evolution wasn't starting before the big bang. Also.. the big bang is not.. improving? The universe is expanding, thats it. Humanity s on some big rock at the outer edges of a galaxy.


eh well ? I have actually been discussing with physicist "professors"(if title means anything to you) about it... Most likely the answer wasn't ''Don't ask about it''

but yeah their answer weren't that important... After all I have gotten best answer from the book... Don't know english translation for it... but It was Stephen Hawkins' book...

"Anything what was behind big bang... It is totally in god's hands" :)

Don't know if I translated it right way :P

But that's how I see that thing at the moment...

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I told you so.


Cuth stay on the topic :P
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This comment was edited by Maher on Feb 01 2009 06:25pm.

Feb 01 2009 06:22pm

NotSoLittleCaesar
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 NotSoLittleCaesar

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I told you so.


we're not flaming. he hasn't said ''You don't understand'' yet.
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Feb 01 2009 06:19pm

Cuthalion
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 Cuthalion

I told you so.
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Feb 01 2009 06:15pm

NotSoLittleCaesar
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life its self gives its self meaning? and to have the meaning you need life?


*First "Wise Words" Attack*
A Cop ? For you It might sound like that, I'm not wondering :P
*End of "Wise Words" Attack*

But yeah for me :) I'm living is allready enough to me... But It would be pretty dull just sit on the ground and watch to the emptiness; at that I would probaly fail... But that's why I'm me and others are they...


what do you mean exactly. 'you're not wondering'. Because it IS a cop, its just looping. Secondly, simply because there's no defined meaning we know of doesent mean we just sit on our asses and watch the world go by.
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I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop


Feb 01 2009 06:07pm

Maher
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 Maher

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life its self gives its self meaning? and to have the meaning you need life?


*First "Wise Words" Attack*
A Cop ? For you It might sound like that, I'm not wondering :P
*End of "Wise Words" Attack*

But yeah for me :) I'm living is allready enough to me... But It would be pretty dull just sit on the ground and watch to the emptiness; at that I would probaly fail... But that's why I'm me and others are they...
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Feb 01 2009 06:04pm

ZantuS
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 ZantuS

I was looking something more deep for the meaning but ok... :D

And I wouldn't necessarily call it improvement, more like changing, since improvement means good change.

Who's to say if it's good or bad? Who's to say about anything being good or bad? That takes me to another subject: ethics!

Are there any moral acts that can be considered bad/evil under all circumstances? Is there bad/evil? For example if in some country a funeral would include chopping the dead in pieces and eating them, would it be bad/evil? We might think of it as bad/evil cause of our habits, but who are we to say?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism
What do you think?

Damn I better watch it...my English draws some limits, better not try to go too deep :D
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This comment was edited by ZantuS on Feb 01 2009 06:05pm.

Feb 01 2009 06:01pm

NotSoLittleCaesar
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 NotSoLittleCaesar

life its self gives its self meaning? and to have the meaning you need life? sounds like a cop out to me.

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And that improvement again is evolution, which has been happening at very start and before big bang and the space after big bang is still improving :) and we are improving as a side-subject of it...


Ask a physicist what was before the big bang, you'll usually get the ''Don't ask that question.'' evolution wasn't starting before the big bang. Also.. the big bang is not.. improving? The universe is expanding, thats it. Humanity s on some big rock at the outer edges of a galaxy.

Intresting fact, as the universe expands, in the end it would haves stretched so far,light from outside our own galaxy won't reach us. Evar.
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I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop


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Feb 01 2009 05:55pm

Maher
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 Maher

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The meaning of life is that we exist, is that what you meant?

And that improvement again, what does it mean?


Meaning of life is that It exists...

And that improvement again is evolution, which has been happening at very start and before big bang and the space after big bang is still improving :) and we are improving as a side-subject of it...
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Feb 01 2009 05:51pm

ZantuS
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 ZantuS

Sorry I promised not to comment on the views but I just need to ask. The meaning of life is that we exist, is that what you meant?

Ahhh, we can't have a meaningful life? We are just another race of animals? Kinda harsh.

And that improvement again, what does it mean?
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Feb 01 2009 05:49pm

Maher
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 Maher

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Oh, since I'm at it, I might as well ask: Why do I exist?(~what is the meaning of life?) :D Pls don't "go around" this one like you did with the first question.:P


I didn't go around... We exist and everything around us improves... That's the fact!

We aren't god-like race or anything, who has meaning in life... We are just ants in big wholeness ;)
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Feb 01 2009 05:45pm

ZantuS
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 ZantuS

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i think zantus gave us a tricky question on purpose to which there is no true answer. never was.

Oh no... I just want to see your views on this matter. For the sake of everyone's nerves, I will not comment them. :P

And Maher, I was just saying that these "cheese/best JEDI EVA"-kind of comments are not good for this topic, but that's just me I quess then.

Oh, since I'm at it, I might as well ask: Why do I exist?(~what is the meaning of life?) :D Pls don't "go around" this one like you did with the first question.:P

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We just exist yet everything improves around us :)
^now, what does that improving thing mean?^
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Feb 01 2009 05:42pm

Maher
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yeah, don't be so hard to yourself... Dogs can hear better than humans... Dogs have a tail... Dogs have better smell sense than humans....

Well Dolphin can be more under water than cats...

Get my point ?

So It isn't just about wise words :P


well its just what i hear how people want to show how far above animals they are. yet our ability to speak (among other things) is just as different from others as dolphins ability to be underwater compared to cat. ofcourse since we are the only ones who have ability to speak in earth we try to put ourselves as some kind of rules of nature. if there were some kind of species that could rival our own, then i think that would bring more understanding about ourselves as well.


Very true and you got my point... So what you think about planets and stars... Are they animals ? is solar system kind of animal ? Fact is if they could speak that would bring more understanding about ourselves as well...

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We can choose are we doing nothing or everything...


as you said yourself - if you exist thats enough. to do 'nothing' in the same sense would mean that you arent existing = you are dead.


Yeah and that's what some religions are trying to do... Have you tried, how hard is to do 'nothing' ?

It is as hard as doing everything :)
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Feb 01 2009 05:30pm

SaZ
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yeah, don't be so hard to yourself... Dogs can hear better than humans... Dogs have a tail... Dogs have better smell sense than humans....

Well Dolphin can be more under water than cats...

Get my point ?

So It isn't just about wise words :P


well its just what i hear how people want to show how far above animals they are. yet our ability to speak (among other things) is just as different from others as dolphins ability to be underwater compared to cat. ofcourse since we are the only ones who have ability to speak in earth we try to put ourselves as some kind of rules of nature. if there were some kind of species that could rival our own, then i think that would bring more understanding about ourselves as well.

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We can choose are we doing nothing or everything...


as you said yourself - if you exist thats enough. to do 'nothing' in the same sense would mean that you arent existing = you are dead.
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Feb 01 2009 05:12pm

Maher
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 Maher

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True... but animals aren't people :)


smart answer, but thats just a play of words.
what do you think are the differences between lets say humans and dogs compared to dolphins and cats?


yeah, don't be so hard to yourself... Dogs can hear better than humans... Dogs have a tail... Dogs have better smell sense than humans....

Well Dolphin can be more under water than cats...

Get my point ?

So It isn't just about wise words :P

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You are existing allready... That's your true meaning... :)


if thats the only meaning, when why there is such word as 'pointless life' ? or 'do something meaningful' ? its a matter of opinion, because what is meaningful for you can be pointless for other.
i think zantus gave us a tricky question on purpose to which there is no true answer. never was.


nah well It is just about how everybody are forming their reality... :)

We just exist yet everything improves around us :)
We can choose are we doing nothing or everything...
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Feb 01 2009 05:02pm

SaZ
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 SaZ

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True... but animals aren't people :)


smart answer, but thats just a play of words.
what do you think are the differences between lets say humans and dogs compared to dolphins and cats?

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You are existing allready... That's your true meaning... :)


if thats the only meaning, when why there is such word as 'pointless life' ? or 'do something meaningful' ? its a matter of opinion, because what is meaningful for you can be pointless for other.
i think zantus gave us a tricky question on purpose to which there is no true answer. never was.
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Feb 01 2009 04:34pm

Maher
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 Maher

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people are animals.


True... but animals aren't people :)

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Try again? Where is the predecessor to this thread?


I thought that too. Maybe Maher means the political thread?


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Give me the meaning of life.


You are existing allready... That's your true meaning... :)

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I am eagerly awaiting the convoluted arguements that will follow, and the potential flame war. Let me be the first to say. I told you so.


It is all about creating negative athmosphere... So people will answer negatively...etc

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Guys...I believe this topic is not in the "Crazy Stuff"-section, so let's not make it look like it should be?


So ? when I specifically mentioned this topic is about everything :) and everything is less or more serious whatsoever....

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or perhaps the answer is still 42


So how you define that value... :D
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Feb 01 2009 03:17pm

Kainz00r
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Because It is, indeed, a neat thing to share thoughts with each others about everything...


That is bound to cause arguements. Thoughts on a specific subject matter vary from person to person, and each persons thoughts vary in thier strength of belief on that particular point.

I am eagerly awaiting the convoluted arguements that will follow, and the potential flame war. Let me be the first to say. I told you so.


Of course, because we're all uncivil here and couldn't possibly have a discussion without the consequences outlined above. Good that someone pointed it out!
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This comment was edited by Kainz00r on Feb 01 2009 03:18pm.

Feb 01 2009 02:55pm

Lirael
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 Lirael

/me awaits the Wittgensteinian 'clarity' due to be unearthed.




...or perhaps the answer is still 42
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Feb 01 2009 02:41pm

ZantuS
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 ZantuS

Guys...I believe this topic is not in the "Crazy Stuff"-section, so let's not make it look like it should be?
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