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planK - Jedi Council 
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Quote: tl;dr
Congratulations on your impending nuptials? |
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ZantuS - Student 
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Quote: 'Lok and Hugo's funhouse' Seriously, what the hell??  JKA's allowed to be fun now? Haha. _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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ozzcoz - Cosplay Nerd 
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tl;dr
Congratulations on your impending nuptials? _______________ A wizard did it. |
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Ãà rth Àpòçålýpsè - Student 
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Don't get me wrong. I really enjoy that somebody is hosting classes now. It's why I'm actually starting to post on a topic (first time in a year) hah. I just would like to contribute if I can as well.
Just personally; I would agree with Xorb in saying that the "buddy system" would be more discouraging than encouraging. I was defending them in terms of classing down below too. Hence, the convo with me and Setementor  _______________ New -[DE]- Site. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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Apoc, I understand your point of view in terms of class times.
On the other hand, considering the low activity of the past few months you should be happy for ANY new class at all. I like that Lok and Hugo are trying to create some actual activity and I wish them the best that it will work out over a long time period. _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! This comment was edited by Laziana on Jan 14 2011 07:36pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: I'm unavailable.
Feel free to contact an instructor of a class to help you with a subject if you can't make their class. 
Quote: Except on Weekends due to time zone differences.
When we had a lot of classes, a lot usually happened on a weekend. Quote: I would say most Jedi Knight Academy players now are United States players from my observations.
That's interesting, because for many years the academy has mostly consisted of european players. Most US players went inactive from the JA servers by 2006 and all but completely by 2007. I have noticed more US players recently though. Quote: Are there any U.S. JAT's?
Fullmetal is our US JAT and Xanatos is our US JAK. Quote: I can probably get members from my clan to join TJA and learn from their classes but again... time zone :S
Even if they just want to visit the server, they are welcome. In any case, I'm sure Lok and Hugo will consider your feedback on the time and day of the class. |
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Ãà rth Àpòçålýpsè - Student 
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Well another problem is now that I am U.S. and having schooling myself atm. The times classes ARE available like Lok and Hugo's class, I'm unavailable. Except on Weekends due to time zone differences. I would say most Jedi Knight Academy players now are United States players from my observations. Are there any U.S. JAT's? I can probably get members from my clan to join TJA and learn from their classes but again... time zone :S _______________ New -[DE]- Site. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Quote: uhh well with the 0 percent activity and no classses going on idk how you can start bringing the issue of JAT's and JAK's responsibilities.
I think it's still important to work out the ranks, particularly if we expand to other games. The reason I'm bringing the issue of JAT and JAK responsibilities is because JATs literally have the site power to create a class, whereas JAKs do not. So a JAT literally has to set the class up for them. Personally I am happy for any student at all to teach a class that wants to, but that isn't how the JA works. The system is that JATs teach classes, JAKs are currently allowed to teach them as well, and if students have an idea for a class they need to talk to a JAK or a JAT to work out a class plan. That's just how it works and has always worked and it's not my place to disagree with it. Quote: TJA's activity is LOW and they're trying to make an effort to change that.
We know and that's fine. That's why I've just set it up here.
Quote: I think JAT's should start getting to work again
Why should we when nobody ever turns up? That is how the few remaining instructors feel right now. If you can convince JATs that people are actually going to show up, then I'm sure that they would be happy to start running classes again. I stopped running classes because of time-related reasons and it's likely a similar thing for all other trainers as well, but I know that some of them would probably still be happy to teach classes more if people showed up to them. I used to run 8 classes a week and spent more than 8 hours of my time every week being available for them and nobody hardly ever showed up, but I still was available for them all for many, many years. It's hard to blame anyone for feeling that way though sometimes, when nobody ever shows to the classes they are putting so much effort into teaching and showing up to. This comment was edited by Setementor on Jan 13 2011 01:26am. |
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Ãà rth Àpòçålýpsè - Student
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Quote: JAKs could run classes with JAT supervision like you said. A couple of years ago however we decided there were not enough JATs or classes and decided to allow JAKs to run them as well temporarily. A reasonable measure when we could use more classes, of course.
Personally I agree we should still have a distinction between JAK and JAT, but this measure as well as the state of the JA has started to erode that I think. As for students teaching classes, it's all up to the JAT really, but it really needs to be in conjunction with them. If a student has something to teach that a JAT isn't familiar with it might be reasonable to work with them and work together to make a class about it. We did have the student teaching class as well. uhh well with the 0 percent activity and no classses going on idk how you can start bringing the issue of JAT's and JAK's responsibilities. TJA's activity is LOW and they're trying to make an effort to change that. I think JAT's should start getting to work again lol. I would only be able to attend on weekends though. Living in U.S. and all. But as for the topic above.. uhhmm people will contemplate coming alone as it is like Xorb said. Finding somebody else to bring with you WILL simply discourage it. I think the "buddy system" is a bad idea. Holding classes however is good. _______________ New -[DE]- Site. This comment was edited by Ãà rth Àpòçålýpsè on Jan 12 2011 10:11pm. |
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Kaldør - Student 
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Quote: the only thing that i didnt play that much was gunning - but i consider other games to be better at that. Quake 3 Live 1v1 or 2v2?? |
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Xorb - Student 
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mmmmm....the buddy system idea is ideal for teaching but way unrealistic for the state of JKA at this point. If by luck some random does become inclined to join you, not being able to find someone else to show up with will certainly discourage them from attending.
The fun house idea might work. Lok is a fun guy so you kinda got an edge there.
Good luck! _______________ Cleaning out scum and villainy . . . one wretched hive at a time. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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the only thing that i didnt play that much was gunning - but i consider other games to be better at that. Quake 3 Live 1v1 or 2v2?? May the Gods bless thy railgun on topic: go for it. _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: the only thing that i didnt play that much was gunning - but i consider other games to be better at that. Quake 3 Live 1v1 or 2v2?? _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: I don't mind - if Lok wants to hold a class, I'm not going to be the one stopping him.
Enthusiasm will be great for the first few classes, and by great I mean you'll get a handful of people for sure. But after a while you'll be glad to have even one person attend. i agree with you completely. its really hard to play this game tbh. learned everything i really wanted. had enough random ffas in any place in TJA maps or default jka maps. same with duels. the only thing that i didnt play that much was gunning - but i consider other games to be better at that. im pretty sure there are lot of TJA members that feel exactly the same. so while i admire your tries to bring JKA back to life (because i think forum-wise TJA is quite active, there are plenty of lurkers lol) i dont think that can ever work. so calling JKA a dead horse is actually pretty accurate. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Quote: Hmm if JAKs can run classes all they want, why have the seperation of JAK and JAT, surely the only difference being that JAT can make classes. It used to be back in my day ( albeit 4yrs ago? ) JAK's needed JAT supervision for classes? or is my memory breaking in old age ?
JAKs could run classes with JAT supervision like you said. A couple of years ago however we decided there were not enough JATs or classes and decided to allow JAKs to run them as well temporarily. A reasonable measure when we could use more classes, of course. Personally I agree we should still have a distinction between JAK and JAT, but this measure as well as the state of the JA has started to erode that I think. As for students teaching classes, it's all up to the JAT really, but it really needs to be in conjunction with them. If a student has something to teach that a JAT isn't familiar with it might be reasonable to work with them and work together to make a class about it. We did have the student teaching class as well. Quote: could give it a try
Sure.
Quote: takes 1 hour, twice a week. Should be fun.
Sounds good. What I used to do in one of my classes was do things that were 100% fun, but also had an important educational value. Quote: Lok is contacting sete now I think
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Put down the club and step away from the dead horse! |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Hmm if JAKs can run classes all they want, why have the seperation of JAK and JAT, surely the only difference being that JAT can make classes. It used to be back in my day ( albeit 4yrs ago? ) JAK's needed JAT supervision for classes? or is my memory breaking in old age ? _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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So, now you may all get suspicious, whine about our ranks and reject our proposal This is an excellent, mature and sensible way of trying to get what you want. (No, students do not run "classes".) Lok on the other hand is a JAK, and is free to run all the classes he wants. And if Lok did a class and used me as an assistant? Would that be okay?  Or am I too much of a threat?
I don't see you as a threat. I just find your posts somewhat immature and irritating. Like I said, Lok is a JAK, he can run all the classes he wants. If he wants to you use as an assistant, that's for him to decide and I have no problem with it. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Masta - Jedi Council
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I don't mind - if Lok wants to hold a class, I'm not going to be the one stopping him.
Enthusiasm will be great for the first few classes, and by great I mean you'll get a handful of people for sure. But after a while you'll be glad to have even one person attend. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master
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Classes have been run by students before with JAK+ supervision. Generally that's fine. You just need to talk with a JAT about it really.
Quote: we only let people join in duo's. If you're not with a buddy you found. Then you can't come.
On one hand that might sound like a good idea, on the other hand, don't forget the golden rule that: the more rules and regulations and complexity, the more people get put off by it and don't bother. In a time like this, that could make the attendance worse. So on one hand it could work, on another hand it might not for that reason. Quote: We could also give people 'homework' the first day and test that the second day.
As a JAT I will tell you that getting the same people each week is quite hard and getting people to do homework in a time like this may be even harder now. If you can get some dedicated people who feel like the lesson is kind of a "master-padawan" thing, then it might work, but generally, unless they are that dedicated and have that much time and want to learn the full course in a kind of "master-padawan" way, it may be difficult to work. I did get people who would attend for two weeks, sometimes even seven weeks in a row, but the people who show each week always varies and there's a lot who just attend for one or two classes and that's it so running a long course can be difficult. Don't get me wrong, I had a lot of familiar students who would often attend repeatedly, but it was always different and often even many weeks gap between them attending again. Many of our dual and staff instructors have previously run "courses" though and they have seemed to work well. So I suppose it depends how it's done and how the whole thing is structured. Quote: and reject our proposal
You're always welcome to bring proposals like that before JATs. Although Lok can run a class, JATs have to set them up first. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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Quote: So, now you may all get suspicious, whine about our ranks and reject our proposal This is an excellent, mature and sensible way of trying to get what you want. (No, students do not run "classes".) Lok on the other hand is a JAK, and is free to run all the classes he wants. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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