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solitude - Jedi Council  |
Proposal:
There will be no JK4. We switch to MOUNT AND BLADE (http://store.steampowered.com/app/48720/ £14 for the complete thing) running the excellent STAR WARS CONQUEST mod (http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=40510.0). YEA OR NAY? _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge  Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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I actually sometimes hope that they're not developing a sequel to the JK games, mostly because of the current market situation - if you take that into account, the game will inevitably end up being a button smashing hack'n'slash a la TFU. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Jade Jedi - Retired 
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Quote: Ment JK3 and JK2 looks better than this rubbish. No, looks nowhere near as good as JK4. But JK4 does not exist. _______________ *CLICKEH->Never risk the Fett Man|*Download my Saber here. Made by master craftsman Pink Floyd_Mintaka + his 2002 & 4000 comment's [Laz's 700th comment][BDKawika's 600th comment] & Owner of a TOWEL award!!|Master: Sared Padawans: Rage-Ball and Dante Eagle.|*Jade Jedi at The Jedi Academy Archives "There's only one Return and it's not of the King it's of the Jedi" Randal Clerks 2 The top 10 reasons why I procrastinate: 1. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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I think the series will be revived one day, Kyle Katarn is a likable hero! He's like Han-Solo, but with no beard and not chaotic neutral!
JK4 - When it's done©®™ _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." This comment was edited by Augusta_Mintaka on May 04 2011 12:30am. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: JK4 is a dream, no matter how much any of us want to see it just isn’t happening. One day with JK forgotten someone may decide it's a good idea to make a JK style game but it won't be part of the JK series that we all know and love.
i wouldnt give up yet. there was quite a delay between jk1 and jk2 - 5 years. then 1 year till jka. now i imagine we are great fans of the series so... do we want to be worse than starcraft, diablo or duke nukem fans? ofcourse not. so we will definitely wait. 15 years sounds about right... jk4 in 2018. pretty soon dont you think? xD we can go even more extreme with something like bionic commando - 20 years... 2023. xD _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on May 03 2011 10:25pm. |
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Coogee - Student 
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For me TJA has always been about people, yeah I came for the game all those years ago but I stayed for the people and I keep coming back from time to time for the people.
In all the time I've been a gamer I've never come across an organisation like TJA. In part I think it was born from the unique nature of the games and people’s attitudes toward the license. Ironically the closest organisation I've been in is a guild where you have that camaraderie. JK4 is a dream, no matter how much any of us want to see it just isn’t happening. One day with JK forgotten someone may decide it's a good idea to make a JK style game but it won't be part of the JK series that we all know and love. Fact is that the people have/are moving on and they will move whatever is decided, the question is does TJA become a part of this or become irrelevant and forgotten? _______________ Bro of many in a very deformed family tree || Formerly a Padawan of Motrec, Kenyon & Aphex AKA Quiet Guardian, QG and Coogie |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Let me recommend you Starcraft 2, honest Eckyman. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Eckyman - Student 
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Quote: Classes for TOR will make (almost) no sense, the hierarchical structure of the JA as we know it will be useless. TOR will reduce the JA to just another guild, something that we tried to avoid in JKA, i.e. becoming 'just another clan'.
Speaking as someone who has played a LOT of MMO's for the last 6 or 7 years, I think Mastz00r's above quote is spot on. More so than perhaps a lot may believe. Training will consist of, "Don't stand there when that boss does this move" or, "No, no.. press 1, 2 THEN 5. Then go back to 2. That's how to get maximum damage per second for that class type" I used to tank for my guild and training/advice to other tanks would be.. "check out this list of gear/stats. You need at least that much to go into this raid instance" or, "maximum threat rotation starts with 'x' move instead of 'y' move." ..or various random strategies for fighting bosses, which as a tank mainly involve where you position the boss, which way to make him face etc. Boring stuff and not related to a players skill or improvement hardly at all in comparison to JK training. I'm not overly keen on what I have seen of Mount & Blade to be honest but it's at least closer to the training aspect TJA has. Personally I can't see me playing ToR for that long because it looks exactly the same game mechanics as the last stack of MMO's I've played, just with a fresh lick of paint. I'll play a tank for my guildies for a bit but I think I'm done with games like this for good till the combat resembles something more hands on than current MMO's do. _______________ Padawan of Xanatos "You never say, "I'm gonna fight you, Steve." You just smile and act natural, and then you sucker-punch him." - Steve Zissou |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: P.S I'm on the quest, the absolute victory is my goal, I have only one gear, I'm not bi-polar guy, I'm by-winning guy gg lol TJA will never die anyway. i still talk to some TJA people once in awhile, with some i even play videos games (namely league of legends). next games on the list ill truly enjoy playing online will be diablo 3 and gw2. probably ill meet TJA members there as well. imo even if JK4 comes in 10 years there is a big chance we will see each other again lol. i wonder what next star wars game will be after swtor? i mean they regulary release something new. i hope its not force unleashed 3... but for example battlefront 3 i think would appeal to TJA crowd much better. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on May 03 2011 10:45am. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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Mount & Blade is fun, but the combat system is very simple compared to JKA. Perhaps make a separate forum for it while we sacrifice goats to the Lucas Arts gods for JK4? _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Masta said almost everything what has to be said.
Except that MBU community doesn't exist anymore 
Due to MBII devs set up a permanent time-limit to every gametype and they ruined the sabering system. Maybe MBU administration thought otherwise, but this is atleast why I quit playing MBII. Nowadays MBU has changed to Starwars Universe(based on mod of SWG called SWGemu), which has also put on hold. Reason totally unknown to me, but I guess, because we are only human and we can't diverse ourselves in space/time continuum. Also I want to sharpen the edge of idea of patience and learning and evolving, so we wouldn't need to invent time travel. If I seem like a hypocrisy cuckoo and a guy who never answers to the problem, you are free to take your demand of "my resign" for the council and see up what they decide. I do whatever my leaders tell me to do due to I respect every member, their wishes and the system of this community. However It does matter who's JAK and who's not, due to It decides is system working or not and is the system reliable. Lately none of my padawans nor the new students has come to my profile "I want to play JKA with you" or "I have an interesting theory to cheer JKA's activity up" or "Get active!" "Get on MSN or X-fire" or "Lets assure that there's many different ways to approach me, you need to just post it up to my profile, my padawans know how to approach me and yeah, It is my profile" Whatever happens, I still support Mount&Blade+Starwars Conquest mod. We can have even 5 different starwars games. The Key thing is to keep this community running so I can come back after 10 years to say "w00t these awesome guys are still here." Believe from me whatever you want, but I still love and hate you all equally. - Maher Senatu P.S I'm on the quest, the absolute victory is my goal, I have only one gear, I'm not bi-polar guy, I'm by-winning guy
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Mic Den Octela - Student 
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What about this:
-We maintain a focus on jk3/2. -We support a TOR branch of TJA.net, incorporate the communities together. -we support a M&B Star Wars: Conquest branch, incorporate the communities together. We don't lose anyone, change anything OR lose sight of purpose. We DO gain more members due to a wider range of interests and activities, increased support for everybody AND get to play more games together. Thus having more fun. Which is the 'prime directive' of TJA if you will. _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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Quote: No. NoNoNoNoNo.
No  Just because it reminds me of my recent Portal 2 experiences so much, I support this statement 100 percent! Ok, to be honest: it would look good, but I am not fond of the idea of having a mod from a game be our central point of interest. Also I am still skeptical about TOR and how we will be able to include our TJA community's spirit into it. But only time can tell. With that said: Stalemate detected. Please press the Stalemate Resolution button. _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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That was our intention all along if JK4 were to be released. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Dark D'Kana - Student 
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it would be worse to carry the same principals to a new game, whatever it may be _______________ Padawan of Jaina D'Kana Owner of Kain Sol's 400th and Zantus's 500th comment Skin found here: http://skins.thejediacademy.net/official_ja_skinpack_v1.1.zip |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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A shift in function is unconstitutional, bro. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Dark D'Kana - Student
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I can't see how a shift in functions would be a bad thing for this place. classes stopped a while ago, its rare to see anyone above knight level on the servers and the only new students we get are olbies returning to play again. To me, the community is more than a ranking system or a school. Its where I hang out every night to play with some great people, which I hope will be carried onto TOR
JKA is being supported by huxley here, he's running the server because no one else will. There are still those of us who haven't given up on this game _______________ Padawan of Jaina D'Kana Owner of Kain Sol's 400th and Zantus's 500th comment Skin found here: http://skins.thejediacademy.net/official_ja_skinpack_v1.1.zip |
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Dash Starlight - Jedi Instructor 
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I see problems with both TOR and MnB, which have been worked out well in previous posts. To briefly summarize:
MnB Star Wars Mod: Judging by the reactions so far, I think only a few JA members will play this. Add the current active players of the niche community to that and we wind up with activity very similar to what we already have. It doesn't do us any good. TOR: The JA is first and foremost a 'Training Facility' and I doubt if it'll serve much use in this game. Training and classes will be little different from guides. We simply can't continue to exist the way we do now moving forward with this game. My thoughts? Neither game provides us with a good alternative for JKA. So we now have a choice: either we stand idly by hoping for a new JK-like game to come out, or we work with what's available out there. I say we venture into TOR and transform this community into a guild-like place. _______________ The name is Bond. James Bond. This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on May 02 2011 09:48am. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Consider the fact that TOR might end up being incompatible with the way the JA is run. 'Might' is quite a bad choice of words, I'm actually quite definite on that. All the JA's instructional value will be reduced to the form of guides, FAQs and maybe helping out new players in terms of gifting them early game equip/money, the former of which will be inevitably overshadowed by other sites that offer better guides, the latter will be prone to exploitation.
Classes for TOR will make (almost) no sense, the hierarchical structure of the JA as we know it will be useless. TOR will reduce the JA to just another guild, something that we tried to avoid in JKA, i.e. becoming 'just another clan'. That guild may or may not be defined by the fact that we focus on people being nice to one another, but it will be nonetheless just a guild like the rest - a place where people that know each other from the JA get together to play some TOR. And that's totally fine on its own, i.e. as a fringe project run in parallel to the JA, but I feel is incompatible with the spirit of the JA as we know it. So having the JA 'merge' with TOR is something I cannot support and believe a skill-based game like MnB would be a far better choice. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: No, looks nowhere near as good as JK4. But JK4 does not exist.
Quote: Relying on a mod to hold this place together would be a mistake, TOR would at least ensure that most of the community sticks together.
Our JKA servers used mods exclusively for years - without them, holding classes would have been way more difficult and the subtle and necessary differences between the ranks could not exist. Besides that, the MBU community (albeit not a part of the JA, but one might say 'highly populated' by people from the JA) is entirely focusing on playing a mod and they seem to have been doing quite well, way better than we have recently. They might have fallen into obscurity now as well though, but I have not checked up with them in a year or so, so I really cannot comment on that. But yeah, I don't see the problem with this being a mod, except that it is only relevant to a small part of the MnB community. Also, I think it's quite clear that we won't ever stop supporting JKA, so all that 'switching entirely' entails is just a shift in focus. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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SaZ - Student
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for a second there i thought this was some april fools joke, except a little bit delayed.
seriously though mount and blade is a great game, not that mod though. it could be sort of a 'side' game for the community since it involves the sword combat which should appeal to us, but... switching entirely? cmon lol i kinda agree with masta's points about this being more viable choice than TOR (wasnt saber fighting the first reason you installed jk game in the first place?) and the differences between particular mods vs TOR's playerbases. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on May 02 2011 02:00am. |
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Jade Jedi - Retired 
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No, looks nowhere near as good as JK4. _______________ *CLICKEH->Never risk the Fett Man|*Download my Saber here. Made by master craftsman Pink Floyd_Mintaka + his 2002 & 4000 comment's [Laz's 700th comment][BDKawika's 600th comment] & Owner of a TOWEL award!!|Master: Sared Padawans: Rage-Ball and Dante Eagle.|*Jade Jedi at The Jedi Academy Archives "There's only one Return and it's not of the King it's of the Jedi" Randal Clerks 2 The top 10 reasons why I procrastinate: 1. |
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Coogee - Student 
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No, my thoughts pretty much mirror Dark's. _______________ Bro of many in a very deformed family tree || Formerly a Padawan of Motrec, Kenyon & Aphex AKA Quiet Guardian, QG and Coogie |
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Jaina D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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No. NoNoNoNoNo.
No _______________ INTP |
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Dark D'Kana - Student
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switching entirely to this game doesn't seem like a good idea. I like Warbands, but its multiplayer isn't as good as JKA, i stay in single player mostly.
Relying on a mod to hold this place together would be a mistake, TOR would at least ensure that most of the community sticks together. _______________ Padawan of Jaina D'Kana Owner of Kain Sol's 400th and Zantus's 500th comment Skin found here: http://skins.thejediacademy.net/official_ja_skinpack_v1.1.zip |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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To be honest, this is probably a far more viable idea than switching to TOR, seeing as the gameplay actually requires a lot of skill and is way more similar to what we know from JKA in contrast to the MMO hack'n'slash that will inevitably be TOR.
I have yet to give this game a go, but it sounds truly excellent. The only problem I have is that the SW mod is just that - a mod. Something that belongs (or is supported by) a fringe community, one that might not even be any bigger than what we have in JKA at the moment. However, it does spice things up quite a bit, so we might want to give this a chance. EDIT: The good thing about TOR is that it exactly does not have the kind of shortcomings that the fringe community mod has, i.e. the MMO will be played by a huge number of people, so the amount of (active) members on this website will surely soar very quickly. On the other hand, it might be a bit more difficult to create that kind of (hierarchical) learning environment comparable to what we have established for JKA. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on May 01 2011 06:07pm. |
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