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Mistress Ael'Ra - ex-Student  |
 I am very annoyed today, i went in a server and there were people dueling, i watched as one guy kicked the other to the ground then red dfa'd him while he was o nthe ground, i dueled him next and he did the same to me. I told him it is a cheap move and the way i was taught was ur not meant to do things like that, ur meant to be honourable and stuff. I once did the same thing to a knight Ulic Belove or sumfin while a trainer was around and both people went off at me for doing it saying no one should ever do sumfin so cheap and stuff. So i stopped and now once i told those guys they went off at me saying i have no right and they are allowed and shit, and basically fully abusing me for trying to make a duel fair.! i say if ur gonna teach something make sure everyone knows about it cos i am sick of having to get in fights cos no one knows the rules! _______________ This is the Model i will be using in game so download it if u want to see me!!! http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=12085 |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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The Kick Heavy DFA isn't much of a cheap move and it is used all the time. Used like, forever months ago.
Anyway, Kick DFA is used all the time. Get used to it. And if you are pissed off at somebody and have a reason then report it to the JA Council. Oh, and by the way. Dodge the kick DFA by holding jump if you fall to the ground.  _______________ slorp This comment was edited by Lian Del Rey on Jan 23 2003 08:18pm. |
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Luke Skywalker - Student 
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Well to me, Kick DFAing or striking one down after a saber lock is more of a sign of desperation. It's for those who take interest ONLY in winning a match. If you ask me, it defeats the purpose of making duels "fair fights". Just like Blade Knight, I take interest in the enjoyment of my fights. I don't go for instant kill or free damage oppurtunities unless it was done to me first, I call it returning the favor  .
Oh, and if you manage to slip away from that Kick DFA, don't think it isn't right to counter it back if you can. Just because someone tries to DFA you, let's say, doesn't mean you should just let him get back on his feet. Same goes with every other special. You chose to use a powerful move, you failed to hit the target, so you suffer the councequences  . _______________  Luke Skywalker
This comment was edited by Luke Skywalker on Jan 22 2003 04:04pm. |
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Carve - Student 
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RE: saberlocks
If you're losing, abort your clicking and hold jump. Guaranteed fast recovery, even the most elite of players won't be able to kill you unless you have low HP. And if you have HP that low, they're liable to do the hand-slice-off thing anyway. Regarding Kick-DFAs.. Those are godamn hard to do. Kicking to knock someone down is a cinch. It's the DISTANCE that's tough, and I've taught kick-DFAs to people and they have the same problem. Hitting someone with your blade instead of landing on their head is what requires talent. If I get hit by a kick-DFA.. kudos. Oh, and if you get kicked down? Hold jump. Duh. If you're knocked down, you have no excuse to stay there. If I knock someone down out of a saberlock or kick, usually I'll let them be. But if the fight is close (e.g. both at low HP, not just me).. they're gonna get it if they don't move their booty. -Jorm _______________ © |
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I've only read the third comment then I just stopped reading and decided to say this.
There's too much opinionism here. If you don't like someone doing a move on you such as a lock into a lunge or DFA, then just make sure you don't let them do it. Kick their ass ! |
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Blade_Knight - Student 
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I guess the quick and easy 1-hit-kills were nerfed because...well...what fun is that? I don't know about anyone else, but I love just circling my opponent, as we stare each other down. Then dash at each other, exchanging saber swings. It's the excitment of a battle that's the most fun for me. Oh, Eternal expressed that extremely well (I'm sooo taking that )
EDIT: XD...can't type...spelling erorrs....too great _______________ -=Brother to Nightcrawler and JediKnight13=- "I've been told my style is crasy and visually confusing."~Mikel Rider This comment was edited by Blade_Knight on Jan 09 2003 06:50pm. |
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Haemon - Ex-Student 
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Why do you bring up honour(or honor)? Why would you do something like that? Everyone thats been here for awhile look back and remember what it was like. What did they use to teach us? Honour? No, they taught us to win. L-Rod got a kick dfa off nearly every other fight way back in 1.03. Emperor Lightning taught me pull backslash, which you could barely get around on a server without knowing.
Now I know somebody is going to say that those things are dishonourable and that they can be exploited but lets be serious, some of these things you need to know. Here in 1.04 all these quick easy 1 hit kills are nearly impossible to do because people have gotten the game nerfed so much. But we still teach these little exploits, yes thats right there are still a few and we are teaching them because soon everyone will know and use them. The most common is the quick recovery yellow dfa which I see almost everybody use. Then there are counters which I heard are required on the knight tests. Along the same lines is the instant dfa, its not taught as much but it is still being passed around a bit. There are still yet a for more. Just because this is a Star Wars game with Jedi does not mean that you need to abide a code of honour at all. Its a FPS and thats it. |
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The Canadian Jedi - Ex-Student 
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Settle down...... take a deep breath |
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Eternal_Silence - Ex-Student 
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The real battle isn't always won with a swing or a thrust. To fight with honour is not always easy. The Way of Honour will seem foolish to those that have none. Nevertheless, without Honour there is no victory. With honour there is no real defeat. |
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ioshee - Student 
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Anger leads to hate and hate is the path to the darkside. Just trying to lighten the mood. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Mistress Ael'Ra - Ex-Student 
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Lord Rive or whatever. no its no because i am a skilless n00b as u are implying, if u read the previous messages you would understand so don't go around saying stuff like that, there are more then 1 reason (they suck) to people dying in duels so careful what u say. i would have to have a fair bit of skill to get to journyman when i have only had the game 9 bloody days. _______________ This is the Model i will be using in game so download it if u want to see me!!! http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=12085 |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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according to the official rules, which are also applied in the tournaments, you are allowed to kick. In other words, a kick dfa is allowed. YOu can prevent this kind of thing by asking the oponent b4 dueling to play no kick. _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Lord Rive - Ex-Student 
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Guys, Guys, Guys... this really has gone too far, at the end of the day everyone has an opinion on this "so called" cheap move/moves.
The whole point of the academy is to teach you to fight... and fight well, if you are able to pull of the moves a little to often then maybe the people getting nacked by them should spend a little of their practice time trying to find a way out of it. The whole point im trying to make is that although i never realised at the time i bought this game, it has so much depth to it, it is still a game. Bottom line... if you get caught in a kick rdfa, youre simply not good enough to anticipate it, defend against it... whatever. You have to remember two things. First, you are here to learn how to kick ass, i personnaly join the academy cause i thought it would make me better and improve my survival rate on public servers, well it went one step further... cause on the puplic servers i am nearly invincible because of the skills i acuiered here (although it my not look like it on the ks server with a 450 ping i like the Jolt servers that keep my ping around 190 200) Secondly, Ther are sith on the servers as well as knights, and we all know how sith compare to knights... evil . Im not saying this justifies it or that they do the move to be evil, but people like playing out the personna of the jedi or sith they wanna be and so long as it doesnt say anything in the rules about "no kick rfa" or "no sith's only jedi" they should be quite within their rights to do so, so long as they dont break academy rules. Moves like kick rdfa and others like it are simply skills they acuired through practice, and in time they wont even need to use it because they will have found more stylish, tactical ways of beating someone.
Also to go on the record officially saying its near impossable to pull off a kick rdfa with a 56k, i should know (and the rest of you 56k users). If it happens it happens by acedent (most of the time) .
So dont let it ruin youre time on the servers with youre freinds. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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I feel that anything that takes skill and timing is fair game to use. This includes countering DFAs, and Kick-DFAs. Kick-DFAs aren't the most honorable thing, but they take some skill (I've rarely been kicked down, I think I'm hard to follow to begin with. So if you kick me down and DFA-me, kudos to you, it happens rarely.)
But...knocking me down from a saber lock is easy. I fall faster than an elbowed French soccer player.
(btw, I'm in Political Science, so we have many worse jokes at the French's expense) Anyways, DFA-ing me from a saber lock takes NO SKILL. That's why I hate it. You use little or no skill, and you beat a Knight. So, in summary: Kick DFA  but ok
Saber-lock DFA
Countering DFAs
Hitting opponent's back (when they are actively
fighting) So I think I made my distinction. Be careful on Kick-DFAs. If you pull one off, great skills. But that shouldn't be your only skill. I think I made myself clear. And as for the saber-throw, I don't hit them. Usually I just counter the saber, to send it flying. Then they know how it feels to lose their saber. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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Just backing up AncienT on the point he couldn't get up fast enough by holding space due to his connection.
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Mistress Ael'Ra - Ex-Student 
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Good comments guys,
firstly, yes it takes some skill to pull of a kick dfa to a moving and somewhat able to dodge player. How much skill does it take to pull off on a stationary object like a wall? its easy. and i have a 56k and i lagg alot during duels, and seriously doing a kick dfa to me would be like doin it to a wall. I have been rpactising with a few people on how to recover from them and my ping simply won't let me recover fast enough, i've tried several times. I agree with all that honour stuff, i didn't before ulic started to tell me about it but since then i have tried to be as honourable as i can in a fight, thats partly the reason i WAS annoyed, cos no one else seems to be. anyway enough said about that. You made a good point about darth maul, but one of the reasons he killed him like that was because he was in a rage after Qui Gon was killed. he wasn't really thiking through the ways of the jedi and more using anger and hatred (ways of the dark side). and this is the JEDI academy where the light side should be taught and used mainly. THere were other ways Obi could have gotten away with his life, he just chose that way due to his rage at the time. Anyway enough bullshitting about that um. yeah. i siad enough. _______________ This is the Model i will be using in game so download it if u want to see me!!! http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=12085 |
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Silencio - Student 
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Isn't attacking someone with their saber thrown or with their backs turned, part of the offensive/defensive concept? Here's kinda how I see it: You can do things, moves, in this game that are good and will give you an edge. I'm counting combos, throws, and dfa's as part of these. But all of these moves come at a risk. If you do one of these and miss, then you leave yourself open for retribution. I think that is something everyone that use those moves must understand. If you use a red combo and go into a slow spin, then your back will be open. If you throw your saber at someone, using it as a ranged weapon, then there is the chance that you will be left open and defenseless. Countering a dfa is not cheap. Neither is taking advantage of an opening in your opponents defence, when he is fully aware of the risk he's taking by using special moves. Why would you not attack someone with their saber thrown? because they are unable to block? But wouldn't you have to refrain from swinging at an opponent that has already started swinging then? Since you can't block while you're attacking, I mean. And how about if they're rolling? It is my opinion that following such a line of reason will lead to the "bowing before sniping" scenario. You are not in the duel to let the other guy kill you. In ep.1, obi-wan took darth maul by surprise, by jumping up from the hole, slashing at him. Was that honourable? Should he have let himself die because there was no honourable way to win the fight?
just my 2 cents... _______________ Second-in-command of the mighty FiZZsters This comment was edited by Silencio on Jan 06 2003 03:11pm. |
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Blade_Knight - Student
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Aeth, you do make some good points. As for the ydfa/rdfa, that's a bit different than knocking someone down with a kick then lunging or dfaing them. Let's say, for examples sake:
BK ydfas Aeth. Aeth sidesteps BKs ydfa and counters with a lunge. or: BK dfas Aeth. Aeth once again sidesteps BKs dfa and counters with his own ydfa. And now, let's take a look at this :
Aeth charges BK and delivers a swift kick to his face, knocking BK to the ground. Aeth then dfas BK while he is still on the ground. BK = Dead. See, big difference . For one, the above ydfa/dfa accuatlly takes some EFFORT on Aeths part. Plus BK had already started the attack, so now we're getting into offensive/defensive concepts here.
Ok, enough of that. Me and Ulic aren't trying to 'push' our honor on to anyone else. But everyone should have a basic level of honor and respect for other people (this is just my opinon, hope it doesn't sound like I'm speaking for Ulic as well) like not chat killing and the like. I normally don't hit people when their back is turned or if they've throwen there saber (I may charge them to give them a scare, but I'll strafe-roll right around them and wait for their saber to return). Once again, this is just my opinon. I'm not trying to force it on anyone nor am I trying to change anything. I'm just expressing my thoughts, that's what this board is here for, no? _______________ -=Brother to Nightcrawler and JediKnight13=- "I've been told my style is crasy and visually confusing."~Mikel Rider |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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ulic and balde... you attack guy doing a yDFA? they cannot move, they are open for attacks after they did the swing and wouldnt it be unfair to hit them now?
and after rDFAs? they stsick their saber in ground and pu their head down, they look like they surrender! would you attack someone who threw his saber? he is unarmed! he has no weapon!! you know, i exaggerate but maybe you get my idea
you would attack someone who turns around during a swing would you? hey, you want to win every now and then too, no? it gives you a great feeling when you DONT attack someone lieing on the floor, makes you feel bigger and good, like after you gave a small children some cabdy and it looks at you thankfully
if YOU feel good and knighty with it, thats great! but you cannot force others to do it too, i think. they want to win, you want to act honourable. you loose with honour (but lieing on the floor) and they win (maybe a bit cheap).  _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Gabba - Ex-Student 
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I never get angry, its only a game in the end. it it was my life then i would, if you dount like what someone is doing during a dule, just dount dule them again. i know we have rules and guidelines to how things are done, all you can do is make shure you follow them. _______________ Sit vis nobiscum. |
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May the Force be in your Index ! _______________ Back for good... |
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ioshee - Student
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I know virtually every point of view has been expressed in this thread but I just wanted to share this little thing:
Striking an opponent after winning a saber lock always reminds me of Luke when he went crazy with anger and chopped of his pop's hand. So if you are a dark side user I think it is totally appropriate. Also, I find it very hard to kick but whenever I get kicked I usually pee my pants with laughter. That is all. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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RE: Attacking after saberlock
The reason I don't like it is because, like Ulic ssays, it's just about clicking... really I don't think there's any skill involved in winning a saberlock, and sometimes laggers get an advantage because of the sudden spurt of clicks the server gets from them. I suppose that just like a real saberlock, which is a test of endurance, strength and possibly force, that the JKII saberlocks are a test of finger speed (and maybe force? =) |
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Blade_Knight - Student
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Well, since this is on the subject of honor, I guess I should comment as well...
I normal don't get angry, the only time I do is when I get hit while bowing or after getting knocked on the ground. That's why whenever I win saber locks (I'm a pretty fast clicker), I just lightly bow my head and slowly back away from my opponent. I never exactly found it honourable to strike a fallen opponent. As for the kick-DFA, it does take skill, but I still see little honor envolved striking you opponet with a DFA while he can't defend himself. Seems like I'm just another guy, living solely by his code of honor. I've always fancied myself a knight (not in the rank sense, mind you). I don't know if this honor keeps me from becoming a true 'warrior', but I'd rather be a false warrior than a untouchable, yet extremely dishonourble being. well, that's just my opinion, ignore and carry one _______________ -=Brother to Nightcrawler and JediKnight13=- "I've been told my style is crasy and visually confusing."~Mikel Rider |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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OK...
Since my name is in this, I should weigh in. First off... It was not KICK-DFAs being done. I lost saber locks (I always do) and was DFA-ed after that. THAT takes no skill (or little). So I dislike it. You have more skil than that. Kick-DFAs take skill. If you nailed me with a Kick-DFA, still somewhat cheap, but OK, it takes some skill to knock me down to begin with. Ancient was doing the saber lock thing. I simply told him that it was not appreciated to strike when someone is down. He flew back at me. I told him to calm down, and I'll go ahead and teach him different things. And so that's what we did. I tought him what he needed. Kick-DFAs are still a bit shaky to be used. But there's skill in them, so OK. Saber-lock-DFAs tick me off a lot. You are taking advantage of the fact I am not a fast clicker. You are using NO REAL SKILL. Maybe it's my honor, but I do a lot of things in fights. One, if I accidentally hit someone when down, I usually throw the fight and lose. I will not win a fight where I strike someone on the ground. Two, if you are doing the "standing still and waitng for me" thing...I will come at you and swing, but I will not hit. It find it too easy to hit you when you stand there. So I won't do it. But maybe this is honor. That's why I am at the JA. For the honor and respect. I don't want to hear any of this "but out on the public servers" junk. This is not a public server. If I want dishonor and disrespect, I will go to a public server. I know that out there, I will be kicked down and hit when down. But here, I live for honor. Even if that means being hauled by a cheap-move Initiate. If you have a problem with my honor, then fine. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Johnnyrico - Student 
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that kick move i really dont like it cause it really not fair.
I think the guys that do that move do it because their low at hp and they want to win. Also the Attack aftet lock why? why people attack its unfair like ur at the ground and someone comes and lunges u. _______________ ...... |
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