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_cmad_ - ex-Student  |
Okay about time I edited this thread after 1/2 year of life. Can you imagine SW if there was only the Dark or the Light side??? It would *definitely* _STINK_! However, which is more powerful? I think it's the Dark Side: => More Jedi fall to the d/s than Sith/Dark Jedi go to the l/s (MANY more) => Look at the duels (in the movies). You see the Sith being calm (prolly fighting more than one Jedi) and the Jedi being ready to shit on themselves  => The d/s force powers are offensive (used to kill  ) whereas the l/s force powers are defensive. And we all know the best defense is offense  => NORMALLY, when some Jedi fights a Sith the Sith has the Force Power advantage. Not many Jedi can absorb D/S Force Powers. They must be really trained, and that's unusual. OK Yoda is the force beast (I mean he handles the force like no-one else can, hmm, maybe like Palpatine, just maybe, but prolly a bit more) so he was really cool defending against Dooku's force powers. But, see, Dooku was less trained than Yoda in the Force and still he could attack him alright without losing (lightsaber fight is something else, not concerning the Force Sides). So as you can see less trained D/Sers can beat the hell outta a Jedi using the force alone  (don't include Yoda eh)=> And well, after seeing the movies, haven't you noticed how much cooler the Sith are than the Jedi?  ******BTW: Who wants to see a Yoda VS Palpatine fight on ep3!!!???****** _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. This post was edited by _cmad_ on Jan 10 2004 09:49am. |
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Burn - Ex-Student 
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Further more, Think of it all this way (in reguards to which side is better) In the universe There is positive and negative. With out light there would be no dark. Because there would be nothing to distinguish darkness. With out darkness, there would be no light, it would just be there. They need to both exsist for even one to exsist. -Burn  _______________ -Has no family, nor "friends" -What is this "friends" you speak of? No not the meaning of it do I |
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Burn - Ex-Student 
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From reading books, if i remember correctly; The sith were an actual race of non humans. When Dark Jedi, discovered there long forgotten teachings. Thus adapting them and began to train as what would be known as sith lords. If you read the Thrawn Trilogy you will take notice to master Ce'Broeth or something like that, now, he uses lightning, clearly a darkside matter. However, he is not of the sith. He is merely a dark jedi. (or as i saw it a Jedi who just went crazy) -Burn _______________ -Has no family, nor "friends" -What is this "friends" you speak of? No not the meaning of it do I |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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I'll back Flash and cM@D there. Sith are trained differently. Whilst Dark Jedi are simply Jedi Knights who fell to the Dark Side. - Virty. _______________ Academy Architect |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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no m8... flash is right! Sith ARE different from the Dark Jedi. _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Newtius Slasher - Ex-Student 
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Dark Jedi Are sith. the term sith is no longer used to Describe the Sith Race it used to describe the Dark Jedi  |
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Flash - Student 
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I think you guys are mixing up the Sith/Dark Jedi thing. After Episode VI, the Sith were extinct. Then there were only Jedi who fell to the Dark Side, becoming Dark Jedi, not Sith. And Dark Jedi aren't limited to pairs. |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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i also think the same goes for Maul and Obiwan... Just that Maul was surprised from the jump. If only Maul had an average IQ, and not a negative, he would have beaten ObiWan as well!!! His face was like :S when he saw ObiWan jumping above him!!! grrrrrr  _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Eeth Koth - Student 
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It depends on your outlook on the Force, I would imagine. If you are talking about it in a strict martial sense, yes the darkside would be stronger, as the lightside doesn't incorporate offensive moves with use of the Force. The extent they really go with it is a force push. In terms of raw power, I don't believe either side is stronger so to speak. They are just focused differently, light side with more passive moves and such, and dark more aggressive based. If they had a contest to see who could meditate the longest, im sure the light siders would win hehe. The fights with lightsabers aren't really a tribute to dark or light side ability. Someones fighting ability is generally the deciding factor, although the Force does play a part there. I have no doubts that Dooku would have defeated both obiwan and anakin even without use of the darkside, he was simply a better saberist. Same goes for Maul against Quigon. |
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Master Wallwalker - Ex-Student |
I could smack some of you. Why? I'll tell you. Luke was too enraged when he smoked Vader. Watch the movie and look at his face as he hacks off Vader's hand. Second, the Sith only do the Master/Apprentice thing because of one thing: The Great Sith War. There used to be thousands of Sith, but they turned on each other and slaughtered themselves. Thereafter, it was decided that there would only be two, in order to hide the Sith from the Jedi until it was time to take over. Dark Side is the way to be. Now stop denying it before I choke you! _______________ May the Force be with you. Well, sometimes. Perhaps on Tuesdays and Thursdays. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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Luke Beat Vader when he was enraged. But can you prove that he woudn't have beat him anyway? He wasn't losing to Vader when they were fighting. If fact, he got one over on Vader by kicking him down a staircase. It would be wrong to assume that Luke beat Vader because he was enraged (thus using the Dark Side). You might say that he beat him FASTER than he would normally have BECAUSE of the Dark side. Which is what the Dark side is all about - The Faster Way to do it. People do not fear the Light Siders because they are there to protect. Why fear something that is there to help you? You will never see a Light Sider taking over the Galaxy because the Light side is there to protect it, not pWn it. The reason Dark Siders look calm in Battle is because they THINK that their power is far superior to his/her opponents. Why fear something that you beleive to be less powerfull than you? Whereas the Light Siders just fight naturally. People turn to the Dark side for VERY different reasons... Most of them are mere Padawans who have not learned the passive, patient ways of the Jedi, and therefore feel they need to advance faster. Or the Temptation of Power lures them across. Others do it to benefit others without realising it's lure. Take Dooku for example. He was a Jedi Master before he turned, not a Padawan. He felt that the use of the Dark Side would benefit his peers and help defeat the orders opposers in a faster manner. But the sheer temptation of the Darkside's promise of Ultimate power eventually lured him to use it for his own selfish ends and therefore he became the Dark and Evil man that he was. In the EU, Luke Skywalker turned to the Dark Side because he felt that by doing so, he could Liquidate it from the inside, rather than directly fighting it as a Jedi. But, like Dooku, he fell to it's temptations. But was eventually turned back to the Light by Mara Jade. In conclusion. There is no "Stronger" side to the Force. It's pretty much an equal balance between Light and Dark. For every Dark Ability, there is a Light ability that can nullify it (Yoda and Obi-Wan Absorbing Dooku's Lightning attacks). And vice-versa. The only reason so many people THINK the Dark Side is more powerfull is because of its Physical attacks. Whereas the Light Side focusses on Meditation, Peace and Skill. Which combined can conjour masses of strength and skill over a period of time. As this is not physically apparant, like the use of Lightning to fry an opponent. People see that Dark Side as much more powerfull, when this is simply not the case. - Virtue. _______________ Academy Architect |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student
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Lucas's a wise man... I can prove that; he invented Star Wars _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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If you know both, then you are more powerful. Lucas said that the greed for more power, will be to go over to the darkside because it is more powerful. _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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Kueller - Student 
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This is very good indeed. You catch the meaning of the force well. Nice to have another movie-knower amongst us. *reaches out to hand a clubpass* _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Sounds very good Gunrow |
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Gunrow - Ex-Student 
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Also, one must consider the whole idea of 'bringing balance to the force'. When there was an abundance of light users, as in epI-III, the few dark side users were able to overcome the light (They HAD to to restore balance). When the balance shifted to the dark, as in the Empire's heyday, the light overcame (Vader/Skywalker destroyed the Emperor not in Sith-like hate, but in defense of one he loved. THAT makes him a light user in those last moments. Which means he balanced the Force TWICE). It's all about the balance, Gents. Also, look at the dynamics of the Jedi/Sith relationships. There can be THOUSANDS of Jedi. Doctrine holds that Sith exist in pairs: A master and an apprentice. The apprentice challenges the master, and if he overcomes his master, becomes the master and seeks an apprentice of his own. If he fails and dies, the master takes a new apprentice. Or in Vader and Sidious' case, they grow content with one another until Sidious detects an apprentice-candidate with more potential than his current apprentice and pits them against one another. In any case, there are TWO dark side users with thousands of potential light users. Spread the light side thin over thousands and sure a couple dark siders will hack through them like a weed wacker through grass. Hell, that could be why Obi-Wan Kenobi allowed himself to be killed in Ep4 - He knew the light side needed a champion armed with as much force as possible. Or why Yoda faded right before the final confrontation on the second death star. That could also explain why Obi-wan was able to pull out a victory against Darth Maul once Qui-Gon Jinn went down. It makes sense. The Sith may realize this more than the Jedi do and incorporate it into their hierarchy. Or they just want the most power possible for themselves. However I think the Jedi, not being power hungry, feel that more good can be done with more users out there. They don't care if the power is divided among them. Shoot, they think too much power is a bad thing altogether. That's why they organize into a council and not a master/apprentice relationship. Think on that and let me know how you feel. Go Light side _______________ "Let The Hunt Begin" |Brother to EAF_Fencer|Son of Skywalker| |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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fighting is not the solution to every problem. Yoda is great because of his wisdom and intelligence, not because he pwns _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Messiah - Ex-Student 
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the sith are much more powerful, better trained etc. The Dark Side of the force is indeed stronger, much more focust at fighting. _______________ Council member of ={TAO}=, site: http://www.tao-clan.tk/ |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student
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He is one hell of a Sith, i think... But that damn stupid look he had when he saw ObiWan jump over him really pisses me off!!! He could easily have reacted and killed ObiWan in no-time... _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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I dont like u no more cM@D_x u talk bad about Mauly |
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Kueller - Student 
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BTW. There is a horizon between them. Just read the last few books from EU. Jacen finds that path. I'm not going to tell what happens there, you should read it for yourself. But Light and Dark are 2 sides of a coin. And you can control the coin instead of one side if you have some talent. _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student
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Refering to Flamori 5.1 Beta: Always??? Do you remember: epI: Maul beats QuiGon (1-0) epI: ObiWan beats Maul (1-1) epII: Douku beats ObiWan (2-1) epII: Douku beats Anakin (3-1) epII: Yoda VS Douku: no-one, but let's say Yoda (3-2) epIII: ??????? epIV: Vader beats ObiWan (4-2) epV: Vader beats Luke (5-2) epVI: Luke beats Vader (BUT WITH HIS DARK RAGE), so (6-3, both get a point). I should have also counted Palpatine VS Luke but Vader interrupted them So what do you say?????? _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
It's actually not that off topic, Kueller opened the door and I jumped in the room... |
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Flamori Athena - Student 
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The Light Side is stronger! Or haven't you noticed the Jedi have always beaten the Sith? _______________ «±» 21st on the Midbie Council, Profile ID: 2027 «±» True wisdom is the knowledge that you know nothing. |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student
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I see until today the "equallity" prevails between the Dark and the Light Side. I can live with that. But the first choice (d/s) would make me even happier! And no, I don't think that the Siths do fight "calmer" because of arrogance. They don't think the Jedis have no power; they think the Jedis have less (maybe a little) power. Look at Maul VS QuiGon : Maul was an apprentice and QuiGon a Jedi more experienced than Maul. But he was beaten. Though the lack of IQ ( ) in Maul made him lose by ObiWan (he was surprised). Anyway, that was just an example _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Marq - Ex-Student 
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hey just a query if there was a dark and light side couldnt there be a between like a horizon between sky and sea? _______________ For every pause i was nearly garenteed time to speak. It's always the selfish who say that life is way too short. I'm not looking to get old, but I bet it'll happen anyway. |
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