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Arcuss - Student  |
Howdy Kids, this is a thread for anyone that has taken a class, and not received points. If you are one of these people leave a comment here.
Edit: I'd just like to state for the record that my own points issue has been resolved. Important: This is not a complaint box nor a flame post. I started this thread to help the JACs ascertain where some of the wrinkles in the new points system are, and give them a idea as to where to begin the ironing process. If you're a student that has been shorted points just leave a post as to the circumstances. JATs feel free to leave a post on how you handle the points system as well. Things like student helpers, repeating classes, Master/Padawan training, or anything you will or will not reward points for. Maybe some opinions of how both students and JATS feel the system could be improved,if you think it needs improved, and any questions students have about system in general, would be helpful for us all as well. My goal here is for the students to get a feel for what the JATs expect from them, and to help the council to smooth out some of the kinks of the system. Edit: Well I guess it is a complaint box, but the point is not to complain.  This post was edited by Arcuss on Jan 22 2003 04:57pm. |
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CaptainBlownAFuse - Ex-Student 
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 I really don't like the point system, but only for one reason.. Since everyone wants points so they can be Uber cool Jedi Knights, the classes are always full... I didn't join JA so that everyone would see that I am a Jedi Knight... Recognition is not in my scope of goals. I joined the Jedi Academy because I was under the impression that it was a place to LEARN. And while I admit I have learned a bit, its nowhere near what I wanted. I love the idea of having classes, of having Masters to teach you new things... But I can't even enroll in a class because EVERYONE wants to be a Jedi Knight. I see no point in going up in ranks, I wanna be better. Not so people can say "Wow... Thats an Uber Kool Jedi Knight!" But so people can say "Wow, I just got turned into an omelette by that Stormtrooper with the saber..."
In my opinion its like this: "Telling a man to Go To Hell, and making him do it are two completly different things..." |
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Dachsie - Ex-Student 
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i saw this post and totally agree with it. This is a great idea:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you go onto a server and you see a JAK or JAT that is really doing nothing important, ask if he/she can give you some lessons according to your skill level. After at least a 45 min. "lesson", you get a cls point. The curriculum for Learner's, J-man's, and Knight's trial should always be readily available for those who teach. You could call these ppl "temporary Masters" and the students "temp. padawans" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is what i would add to it: the temp. padawan would only get 1/2 of a point because it is not really a "Class". this would be fair. _______________ "I find your lack of faith disturbing!" -Vader -=[Dachsie LordOThePings]=- This comment was edited by Dachsie on Feb 02 2003 04:30pm. |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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lol i should of seen this post earlier. I wrote on like a few minutes after. I enroll and attended the way of the saber class today for the whole time. I was going to take the trial with the point from the class but i had to disenroll and never got to take it. |
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Shang Chi - Student 
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I have not gotten credit for just 1 class. Jan 31st either Rico's at 9 pm est or Huxley's at 10 pm est. No big deal. Having fun with all the classes that I have been able to take. Learned something new in all of them. Meet lots of great players. Get to die now from a large variety of techniques. Keep up the good work guys. Be seeing everyone in classes.  _______________ Thirty spokes converge on a single hub, but it is in the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the cart lies. Clay is molded to make a pot, but it is the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the clay pot lies. Cut out doors and windows to make a room, but it is in the spaces where there is nothing that the usefulness of the room lies. Therefore, Benefit may be derived from something, but it is in nothing that we find usefulness. |
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SaltyDJ - Ex-Student 
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I realise I have already said this, and it's not the easiest thing to get done, but some of us *coughs* are in situations and time zones that do not allow for us to take lots of classes. It's good to encourage people to take classes and to improve before they take their trials, but it certainly needs improvement.
P.S. I know it's just one point, but i didn't recieve credit for a class I took last week I think it was, don't mean to **tch but can u add it to my prof. thnx  |
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Carve - Student 
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I think the point system is a good thing. Everybody should be encouraged to join classes, it's an excellent learning experience.
Unfortunately, the ranks do matter. There are people who would like to take certain classes that require ranks... That's bad. I understand it is necessary to restrict certain classes based on the experience of the student, but honestly.. I have defeated JAKs and lost to Initiates. It isn't really accurate, first. Second, we are trying to take attention away from gaining ranks, yet.. these restricted classes are -forcing- people to try and raise rank as fast as possible. Even gaining 12 points can take what seems an eternity. Furthermore... Though I am far from the best, I do believe people could benefit from my teaching. My goal has been to become a JAT so that I can help people improve. Understood, I can do this privately or whichwhatever, but the problem goes for me as it would any JAT - Eventually people would send neverending streams of training requests. That's the point of classes.. so I strive for higher rank, though getting these points can be difficult for me sometimes. Almost done... Lastly, there are plenty of people who want to be my Padawan, and I would gladly be their Master but for the rank restrictions. I respect the decision that only JAKs and above should take Padawans. However, I believe I am of more than sufficient ability to hold a Padawan (or several) yet I, and s/he wishing to learn from me, are being held back due to rank restrictions. As I said before, I do believe in the point system, though it does have its flaws, as has been cited by all who have posted here. It has its pros and its cons. I believe that arbitrary rank increases, however, or at least arbitrary point-gains based not on class-attendance but on player skill, should become somewhat more commonplace. Not common, truly, but more common than it is now. That's my two ce..well.. like five bucks. _______________ © |
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GremReaper - Student 
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Don't worry about the points. So it take you longer so what. Stop and smell the roses and enjoy the journey. It will all come to you. "Live long and prosper" _______________ Xfire--kdgremreaper |
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The Canadian Jedi - Ex-Student 
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b/c of this point system, my problem is that the classes are always FULL!!!! AHHHH!!! this drives me up the wall, as I have always just signed up a couple hourse but now i have to sign up at least 3 days in advance. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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hm, tomorrow (or today, depending on timezone) is are two classes being held at the same time.
I doubt the ping will be any good, but it is an experiment, also. And, otherwise Y not take on other server for a class now and then ? mostly at times from 7am to 1pm GMT they're all mostly empty, so what ? I do have the luck of a loose schedule so I can adjust to attend the classes I like to. Others may not. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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True_Phate - Student 
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well maybe if they used ALL the slots on the Class only server i mean that max is what? 20? and theres only 11 people in there. Maybe if they uped the number that could enroll, but then again if the classes get bigger they might take longer or be unable to teach.
seems every answer has its drawbacks ......wonder if there is one with out any  _______________ Back from the dead Student and unoffical teacher from 2002-2006 |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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I don't see any changes to happen to the point system, concept-wise.
It proves worth the effort. And, yes, the JATs can't give private lessons all the time, that's what classes are for. so, to my mind, the points needed for the trials are well low enough. To my mind, some theory lectures should become mandatory - I know lots of people will hate me for this, but that's my point of view. And, what's more, by enrolling and unenrolling to classes you show certain responsability. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Icco - Student 
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im bored... so im going to post here _______________ "this is Icco. Icco is old. Icco is lost. Icco is cool, but Icco doesn't know what the meaning of 'macrophageal sex'." - Vaughn /Icco |
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The Canadian Jedi - Ex-Student 
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True, true... but something definately has to be done about this system. |
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True_Phate - Student
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The Canadian Jedi i dont think your idea would work because of one thing. There only teaching one person, the poor JAT's would be over taken by priv msgs asking for "leasons". _______________ Back from the dead Student and unoffical teacher from 2002-2006 |
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ioshee - Student 
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If you don't have time to spend every waking moment taking classes then why are you concerned with what your rank is? Up with the point system.
I might not be qualified to state my opinion here because I have like 47 points last time I checked, and that was a few days ago. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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The Canadian Jedi - Ex-Student
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Ok, I feel a bit better now.
After reading nearly every post, I've propose the counsel should start a new programme: When you go onto a server and you see a JAK or JAT that is really doing nothing important, ask if he/she can give you some lessons according to your skill level. After at least a 45 min. "lesson", you get a cls point. The curriculum for Learner's, J-man's, and Knight's trial should always be readily available for those who teach. You could call these ppl "temporary Masters" and the students "temp. padawans" and blah blah blah. Man, I feeling like crap. I'm gonna go lay down. I'm done typing. If a counsel member sees this pls AT LEAST bring it up in your nxt meeting. *Falls asleep due to the stupid cold that is taking over Can Jedi. |
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The Canadian Jedi - Ex-Student
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How do you spell "point system"? D-E-A-T-H
I don't know, but this point system in my opinion is really going to limit JA initiates. I'm a bit concerned, and I really don't think the system is that fair considering I have to go to 7 MORE classes before I can become a J-man. I don't know about you, but I don't have that sort of time. Plus, my schedule is erractic so it's hard to say if I can even make it! DOWN WITH THE POINT SYSTEM!!! lol |
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ioshee - Student 
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Well I'm sure the points still love you anyway. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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scott4prez - Ex-Student 
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I dislike points |
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Jello` - Student 
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Well, now i notice the classes are fuller then ever just so people can get points, and then there going to get the whatever amount of points and not take any classes to make sure they dont forget about it or something
Just meh 2 pennies _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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True_Phate - Student 
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yo guys well heres how i feel on the point system....
I think its the first step. I mean sure alot of people think it doesnt works but what plan ever works out just as its planed with out having any problems ?....not one. Thats why we fix, and reform things. I think the point system is a very good idea it just need to be moded a bit so it can suit everyone a little better. Even tho u guys might not like it we should have to take classes. I mean me my self HATED the idea of having to be forced to take classes to do trails,but know i see that doing it is a very good idea. Even for the best duelist out there there are still some good classes out there you can take. Like huxleys old saber style class, sklyers Avd. dueling class/team work class, La magra's knight trail prep, and Zero's class. So you see even if you are at the top of game there are still alot of classes you can take and some can be taken over again. So over all i think its a great idea but it just needs a few fix's here and there. _______________ Back from the dead Student and unoffical teacher from 2002-2006 |
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FireFreeze - Ex-Student |
I was in a class 24 hours ago, went to it and was enrolled, but do not have a point. It was La Magra's (initiate I think).
Plz fix  |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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The point system works partially fine for me.
As I am a newbie, I was in 4 classes, I was enrolled in all, and got 2 points. one class didn't take place, so that's basically np. I am also collecting points for the trial, but on second thought, my rank is not as important as the skills (to pay the bills)
_______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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FireFreeze - Ex-Student |
I think the point thing works OK....
About a week ago, I went to LaMagra's class, but missed most of it, so didn't get a point (which is fine). I then attended the next class, 15 mins later (which he was a replacement for, but I hadn't enrolled in). I couldn't get a point for this either, but I would have thought it wouldn't be too much trouble just to count it as if I had been to the class I enrolled in, because I still managed to get into one class for the whole duration, and I was enrolled in one... They were both taught by the same person, so it evens out... Any way  I agree, if the trials were based on performance, I would stay initiate for a VEEERYYYY long time. |
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Master Lew - Student 
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THANKS!!!!!!
I finally got my points. Just wanted to let you know. _______________ Brick Assassin for Hire Here, have a brick!
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