| The Points System, how does it work for you? | |
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Arcuss - Student  |
Howdy Kids, this is a thread for anyone that has taken a class, and not received points. If you are one of these people leave a comment here.
Edit: I'd just like to state for the record that my own points issue has been resolved. Important: This is not a complaint box nor a flame post. I started this thread to help the JACs ascertain where some of the wrinkles in the new points system are, and give them a idea as to where to begin the ironing process. If you're a student that has been shorted points just leave a post as to the circumstances. JATs feel free to leave a post on how you handle the points system as well. Things like student helpers, repeating classes, Master/Padawan training, or anything you will or will not reward points for. Maybe some opinions of how both students and JATS feel the system could be improved,if you think it needs improved, and any questions students have about system in general, would be helpful for us all as well. My goal here is for the students to get a feel for what the JATs expect from them, and to help the council to smooth out some of the kinks of the system. Edit: Well I guess it is a complaint box, but the point is not to complain.  This post was edited by Arcuss on Jan 22 2003 04:57pm. |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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In the 5 classes I've taken since the points system, I've gotten one point and lost a point.
I hate showing up to a "Full" class that has only 5-10 people. Yarr. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Master Lew - Student 
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FYI,
This is the post I gave to the JAC and some JATs. Just to let them know that there are still problems with this point system. The Academy and the JACs, JATs, JAS, and most members are GREAT, but this point system still needs work. I know we shouldn’t worry about the points, but without them we can’t advance. That is part of the fun of joining this academy. It’s part of the whole experience. I’m having fun learning, but I want the whole experience. Without advancement we can’t take the higher classes and our knowledge therefore becomes limited. Ok, here's the problem AGAIN: I signed up to take my Learners Trial twice, having completed eight classes. I also had two class cancelled because the instructors didn't show up. I was also in another one, but it doesn't count because it was a roll playing class. After all of this there is only four points showing on my profile, therefore Huxley would not let me take the trials, (one last week or the one this week). This is not his fault, he is just going by the rules. He asked me to get the points from each instructor and come back another time, (which I did, twice). That is why I'm sending this to each instructor again and the Council Members. Sorry to be so petty about the points. I'm just going by the rules. Here are the classes that I completed: Lightsaber/Movement relationships Sunday 12 Jan 2003 JumpinJedi Aayla Secura’s Training Class (combos) Sunday 12 Jan 2003 Aayla Secura Beginners Movement Training Monday 13 Jan 2003 Huxley Old-style Saber Technique Monday 13 Jan 2003 Huxley Aayla Secura’s Training Class (countering) Wednesday 15 Jan 2003 Aayla Secura Ricos class (Dueling Tactics) Saturday 18 Jan 2003 Ricos Boot camp 1.0 Sunday 19 Jan 2003 skyler_ The way of the saber Saturday 25 Jan 2003 Jacen Solo The classes that were canceled: Guns Sunday 12 Jan 2003 Acidic Guns Sunday 19 Jan 2003 Acidic So as you can see, this point system still needs a lot of work. Please post my point(s) for your class(s), in my profile. Thanks for your time, again. Boy that was long, but I hope still a good read. 
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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I think it works for the most part. The thing is; and remember this is just the way things are for me, is that sometimes I can't make class. In case people don't know, family gets precedence. I lost a point bout a week ago cuz I had to help my mom take stuff to the dump. The trip took longer than expected, and obviously I cant remove myself from the roster if I'm sitting shotgun in a minivan.
However, I think the point system doesnt show how much people know. I routinely get whipped by "new" guys who are CLEARLY ahead of me (play wise) and they have to be initiates for however long. I don't agree with that. However, I'm not for a performance based system: I'd never make it past initiate.
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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I would like to say that I also dislike the points system.
It's like the teacher you hated in high school. "Learn this my way in my class or it's like you don't even know it." (I think I am almost ready for a Jman trial. I'd like to take a few combo classes and then I think I could pass with flying colours. Now, I need to wait a long time, maybe months, before I can trial. My motivation to learn has decreased.) _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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NeoBlade - Ex-Student |
Ok then, thanx arcuss |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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i agree with the mistress down there.. my time zone is probably the same, or something similar. anyway, taking classes for me is also a pain. i missed a class today because i had to wake up at 4am for it (on a school day) and i overslept... i have another one like that scheduled at 5am on friday. hope i don't oversleep this time. the only days i can take classes at a reasonable time are weekend days.
for people like the aussies and me, with +8, +9 GMT, the class points system is indeed a bit unfair. but i shouldn't complain i got my knighthood nomination and 21 points already...  _______________ make install -not war |
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Arcuss - Student 
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Hey no worries Ben. I created this thread so you had a place to share your views of the point system.
My hopes were that by sharing our experiences with the system, we could give the JAC/JATs a gage of how the system is working, and where it needs to be adjusted to better suit the needs of the students. I only posted in response to seeing a few random post in various places on the site. I just thought it would be nice to have one thread for everyone to voice their concerns, rather than a bunch of scattered post. It was never my intention to elevate points above the value of the lessons we are learning to earn them. After all, we are here to increase the skill with which we play the game, and help each other(some of us need more help than others, cough..me..cough) along the way . I am in no way contesting this. In fact there are certain JATs who may be annoyed with me over the next few weeks as I intend to take/retake their classes, points or not, until I have them mastered. Sorry guys I'm a slow learner who has finally gotten a fast connection.
Thank you Aayla and Jacen for chiming in. I was beginning to think my efforts were in vain. It's nice to know you guys are paying attention. Keep your thoughts coming everyone. :arcuss: |
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Aayla Secura - Ex-Student 
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The only thing I can think of is to allow the JATs to allow walk-up points to those who can't enroll...
Also about walking in to the class: IF the server is full(or close to it), you can be asked to leave to allow for those who enrolled to be able to join..... |
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Mistress Ael'Ra - Ex-Student 
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Thank you for your words of encouragement Jacen. U know that i am genuine in my wanting to help though, because even the points system were put in place and before i even knew about them i was in your calsses helping you and tohers out. I do it to not only help those in need but to learn from it as well so that when i do become knight in the distant years i have the knowledge of how to train people as well. ANd if i get points along the way to push me towards the goal even further thats jsut an added bonus for me. Sorry if i insulted everyone but i get annoyed about these sorts of things easilt. please accept my apologies. _______________ This is the Model i will be using in game so download it if u want to see me!!! http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=12085 |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired 
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Youre rigth the system can be a pain for the Aussy folks. Im sure the council must be working on a way to improve the system.
Concerning the helping classes thing, I dont think it should be rewarded with points (my view only). Because when I let someone help I want to know that the student is there to really help not just to get some points. But dont give up. You're a J-Man , you dont need to worry abaut points. Keep helping other folks thats the kind of thing that will win you a nomination for JAK not the points. Those will come eventually. Remember you can have the 20 points but that alone wont give you the right to get a JAK trial. It only makes you available for nomination. We dont go around checking "let me see who has 20 points so we can nominate". Belive-me if you are an initiate and we see that you are Knight material we will be watching you untilyou reach the amaunt of points needed. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" |
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Mistress Ael'Ra - Ex-Student
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I HATE the points system, it would be good if it actually worked and was fair to everyone but hey its not so i hate the stupid thing, All classes are full, u can never get points, even when u do they never show up and so on. I live in australia and the class times are VERY auqward for me so i can only do a certain few at certain times, and hey, guess what THEY ARE ALWAYS FULL. how am i meant to get points if a fair system isn't put in place. i sitll turn up to calsses even though i am not enrolled, i help out classes when they need a hand, i help train new learners into the academy. I have probably have the equal to roughly 50 points by now if they had a fair system in place so that u can get points. i have been to roghly 30 classes, i have 12 points, yeah right. that worx, i have helped in 4 calsses, no points there. personally i cannot leave the rank of jman because of this system. I know people are gonna start yelling and going off at me again for this post but i don't care, i am entitled to express my feelings and this post is about doin that. i think the points system has totally let JA down, each day i get more and more annoyed because of it. _______________ This is the Model i will be using in game so download it if u want to see me!!! http://www.jk2files.com/file.info?ID=12085 |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired
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heheh maybe, but there are classes where all the peeps show up.
No room for 20 folks on a class I think ehehe. But it is an idea to have in mind. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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Can we make it so more people can enroll for a class?
Usually we get about 1/2 the enrolled people show up. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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ioshee - Student 
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I was in a class that was full but the instructor invited me so I went. I was told by the JAT that he would not be able to give me a point. I told him no problem. Anyway long story short he was able to give me a point after all. So my "point" is this: don't focus on the points, just learn and things will work out for the best. _______________ One of the Belouve boys This comment was edited by ioshee on Jan 21 2003 02:06pm. |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired 
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ehehhe
You have to enroll because its the only way we can add/remove the points. Lemme show you. Here's my next class rooster. Duration: 1 hour Roster: The Canadian Jedi | Remove | +1 pt | -1 pt Cliqster | Remove | +1 pt | -1 pt Icco | Remove | +1 pt | -1 pt Silk Money | Remove | +1 pt | -1 pt D.A.M | Remove | +1 pt | -1 pt Yakkamis | Remove | +1 pt | -1 pt [JAS] Super | Remove | +1 pt | -1 pt Eldrin | Remove | +1 pt | -1 pt shrawn | Remove | +1 pt | -1 pt YV_Firestorm | Remove | +1 pt | -1 pt As you can see it's slighly diferent than what you guys see. And its by clicking on the +1 or -1 links that we can give you or remove points. So you have to enroll in order to receive points. Read on eof my previous posts to see how I give points to the guys that drop by without being enrolled. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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one suggestion: let the class stay (for JATs) longer than one hour? would maybe help
and erm, why do students need to enroll at all? i mean... the point system should show how many classes you attended and actually LEARNED from. so those who just slip by an realise "hey, a class. i wanna join" attended/learned but dont get a poin. get me?
erm, this would be pretty long winded but why not note down all those guys who attened a class and give them their points manually? or programm something (dunno if it's possible), like a form where you enter the students names and the site gets updated automatically. _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired
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Hey guys comon, I’m not saying your not right, like I’ve said I screwed up my first class too.
What I'm trying to explain is that some times peeps star screaming "where’s my point". And after taking a good look at it the point wasn't there because he forgot to enrol or missed other class and got a point deducted, witch canceled the one they are looking for. From the cases that the students have reported to me maybe 70% it was a JAT' fault not the students. Now concerning the classes where the JAT doesn't show up. I'm sorry but I don’t think there should be any points. I mean there was no class, then you haven’t learned nothing. That’s the goal of the points. I do think that there should be some sort of control for the JAT's attendance to classes. If he misses one, he should run an extra class next time to make up for it. Another thing some students forget is that not all the classes give you points. Classes like my CTF class on Saturdays and RP classes are a perfect example. The main purpose of these classes is to have some fun (and of course learn something if you can). DJ as posted that if you feel that you are missing some points, find the JAT that runned the class and ask if he remembers you. If he does he is allowed to mail your name to DJ or Doobie and they will set your points right. Feel free to post any more questions; I'll try to answer them all. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" This comment was edited by JAcen LW Solo on Jan 21 2003 12:05pm. |
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Acura Belouve - Student 
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Jace you made so excellent comments but what about the people that enrolled for the class and attended the class and didnt get any points what happens to them and the Instructor only has a hour to give the points i think? So far all the classes i have have taken i havent recieved any points for them and yes i enrolled so what happens to everybody that shows. Also another thing what if a Inscructor doesnt show up to class and the students recieve nothing because the was no show?.Im not trying to put the point system down all im saying that it has a few flaws. Im thinking that when the Instructor is doing points that thye should have like a checkbox option and whoever enrolled is in there and if they show up you put a check and the site updates and gives though students the points and whoever enrolled and didn't show up isn't checked and loses a point. THe system has it flaws but the ive noticed the JAT's are no longer being nagged which is good maybe we could just get rid of the system and just have Trials in a Trial on Class.Thanks for Listening.MetroidBlade _______________ |
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Blade_Knight - Student 
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All of your points and examples are valid and correct Jace, but what about the students that enroll, show up, but don't get the points? So far I've attended since the point system was placed. Knight Trial Prep, CTF Madness, and Old-Style Saber Technique. I enrolled, attened, participated, but my points have not moved from 12. This is my problem, and I'm sure others have this problem as well. _______________ -=Brother to Nightcrawler and JediKnight13=- "I've been told my style is crasy and visually confusing."~Mikel Rider |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired
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Guys, I've been getting some complaints about point's not showing , missing , or vanished points.
After some investigation, me and the students in question came out with the following explanations: - Student with 4 points when he had 5 last time he checked. This results from him enrolling on a class and not showing up. - Student complaining about not receiving a point for a class. He enrolled on 2 classes, attended 1 and skipped the other. So 1 point - 1 point = 0 points. So he actually received the point but it was cancelled by the class he missed. - Student attended class but didn't have a point. He just showed up in class and never enrolled. In these situations you don’t get a point unless the trainer gets another way to give them. So as you can see you have to be careful when enrolling on classes. Only do it if you are sure that you can attend or point will be subtracted. Last night I had 10 ppl enrolled for my class, from those 10 only 3 showed up. Meanwhile i have 3 comments on the class from ppl that wanted to join and couldn’t because the rooster was full. And another 4 showed up for class complaining about the same. When you enrol and don’t show up you are preventing a student that actually wants to take the class from doing it. If you enrolled and you for some reason are late you can do 2 things: Remove your self from the list or go to the server and tell me that you are late even if it's 5 minutes to the end of the class. You wont get your point but no one will subtract you a point for missing a class either. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" This comment was edited by JAcen LW Solo on Jan 21 2003 12:10pm. |
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JAcen LW Solo - Retired
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Howdy, here is a suggestion for the other JAT's.
I thought of this after missing the points of my 1st class after the new system was implemented. Make a list of the students not erolled but also shoewd up. Ask these students to enroll at the class in 5 minuts (the class will stay on for 1 hour after th eend of the class). Go to the web page add the points for the students that showed. Subtract the points for the ones that didnt show and remove them (this will release a slot for the extra guys). Wait 10 minuts, by this time the extra guys will have enrolled. Add their points. - Jace _______________ "Though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death, I shall fear no evil .For I am the baddest mofo in the valley" |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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I had 5 a few days ago and now 4...
I took Avalons class today but he didn't show. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Arcuss - Student
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Neo, that was a JAT no show. I'm not sure how they will be handled. Yet another reason I posted this thread.
Maybe the JAC or JATs can ring in on this issue? This comment was edited by Arcuss on Jan 20 2003 07:42pm. |
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NeoBlade - Ex-Student |
I missed out on a point the ova day when i took an alternate game modes. |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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Lets see, Huxley owes me points for the last two class I took from him on friday. I think thats it.
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