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Ulic Belouve - Student  |
I have found that in my recent posts, I have provided rational arguments with a fair amount of solid grounding. These are on such issues as specific JAT actions, general JAT actions, and the war in Iraq.
In each of these discussions, the resulting counter-arguments have been kept mainly to personal attacks against myself. I find that apparently, many of you who feel you have more power, do not like to be proven wrong or questioned, despite the intelligence of my arguments. It should be noted, as reflected by some of the comments, however, that most of these intelligent arguments are not my own arguments. They instead are taken from reputable sources, and merely put together with my own little spin on the topic, for what it is worth. If people think I am an ass for having someone or something more reputable bring up an argument, than that is that. I don't make myslef out to be intelligent, I just know where to find and how to use intelligent sources. If people hate me because I bring an outside intelligent source to the discussion, then that's your shallow opinion. Don't make the mistake of thinking that the intelligent source that I am using is myself. I think that if I bring hard outside evidence to a table, instead of making myself look like a fool by using my own intellegince, I am not arrogant, but wise. So again, it seems as though people simply hate losing an argument, or having a hard fight ahead of them in it. It is said that in a disfigured society, the one with an unscarred face is ugly. I have also found that in an ignorant society, the one with intelligence is the idiot. Perhaps that is what has happened here. I am sorry that I attempted to use my tools of intelligence to argue valid points. I am even more sorry that many cannot refute intelligently, and must reduce things to their lowest denominator, and attack the author of the argument personally. I have found such personal attacks carrying over into gameplay, which makes it unpleasant to play. I did find it enjoyable to join as a different name, with the impression that I was an initiate. I even took a class and fooled an instructor into thinking I was an initiate. The change was great. These issues, along with others that have been brewing, have caused me to draft up a request to resign from the Academy. I have not yet gone forward with the request, as I have hope left, however small. I do find it repulsive that first I stick up for my Padawan, and get attacked for that. Then I qustion the JAT, and get attacked for that by JATs. Then I refute the JATs views, with some decent argument. Then people think I hate the JATs, and start attacking me. And the thread gets shut down. So I take the suggestions and argue politics in a separate thread. However, when I do that, and introduce outside evidence that is credible, I still get attacked personally. And this is the internet, but is not a public forum, but a private one. Each member subscribed to some form of respect, and while you are entitled to feel that I am arrogant in using sources outside my own head, I feel it is still wrong to violate that respect issue so easily, both here and in-game. I did wish to benefit the Academy with my wisdom, intellect, and ability to make good points, yet I see that they are not welcome. The Council even wished to provide me more tools to better help the Academy in these areas, yet I feel that again, this help will not be welcome. I spend enough time arguing among intellectuals who are not my friends. I merely thought that I could make valid points with friends, but apparently there are few here. It was stated that “Knights are the most respected student position in the Academy. Their fellow Academy members should treat them as such.” Yet I feel we are far from this. If you are truly the bunch that can only attack opposing arguments by attacking the person, then I do not wish to be a Knight, representing the elite that the Academy has to offer. I have no qualms about departing an Academy that has members like this. But if the members are truly of better sorts than this, I may consider staying. As such, I have left this open for discussion. If you truly wish to personally attack me again, post here, and there will be no more trouble for you, for the thread will be gone as well as myself. I am truly sorry I brought my wisdom into the Academy. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This post was edited by Ulic Belouve on Jan 22 2003 07:30pm. |
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Kay Mata - Ex-Student |
maybe ...i wasn't even their...therefore i read what ulic said and base my post on it _______________ Back for good... |
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Kalheka - Student 
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That's not entirely accurate Kay. There was a thread here in the forum that talked all about the incident. I won't go into specifics because I wasn't truly involved. I will say it was a situation that appears to have been handled badly on both sides. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Kay Mata - Ex-Student |
i think your point and arguments are credible AND inttelligent...i can't even think of academy members treating somebody like this, i mean, i thought the academy was a place where everybody could speak freely(to a certain limit) wgitout getting personnally attacked...when i red this i was shocked, a JAT attacking you ?, someone attacking you because you were standing for your padawan ?...i understand why you have desire to quit the Academy, if you do so, it shall be a great loss i think : for those who think im supporting Ulic here ...you are right so hate me if you want, i don't care i think Ulic is right so _______________ Back for good... This comment was edited by Kay Mata on Jan 25 2003 11:07pm. |
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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ioshee: how can you say that I am arrogant?
*looks in mirror  _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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Arcuss - Student 
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Man, I'm such a dork.
Bubu that's why ioshee is so special he has the ability to make us all smile under any circumstance. Keep it up ioshee. Just don't go trying to corner the market on failed attempts at humor, that's my role. 
:arcuss: p.s. Did I mention I was a dork? |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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I think the politics thing will be here to stay. Every organization has them. We just have to make it work for us. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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That's one of the problems with the JA today : politics. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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lol ioshee do you ever post anything serious?  _______________ make install -not war |
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ioshee - Student 
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Hey Arcuss, I’d like to say that I agree with you here about some of your points. Especially about tolerance and diversity. This Academy has taught me a lot about both. For instace, before I came here I would never have thought I could be playing and conversing peacefully with America’s arch enemy: Canada.
Just kidding. I love Canada. Please don't kill me Canadian Jedi. _______________ One of the Belouve boys This comment was edited by ioshee on Jan 24 2003 09:32pm. |
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Arcuss - Student 
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I don't really have anything intelligent to say as I'm just a man of small brain. I will say this however. Ulic it's obvious that you have a passion for politics. I think it's great that you are trying to raise the level of debate(in the war thread) from a swap meet of opinions to a more educated and researched discussion. Challenging people to examine their thoughts,and research the matter at hand before trying to win an argument based on opinion is a good endeavor. So I give you props for your efforts in this area. I like seeing people sharing their talents to inspire growth in others. Now onto the subject of personal attacks. You must realize that some of the things you put in your post are reactionary statements. The reaction, be it good or bad, depends on the individual who responds. You must accept and understand the fact that you will end up with responses from both ends of the spectrum, and every where in between. If you can't accept this simple fact don't post. You can't stop people from expressing their opinions on an open forum. You can on the other hand choose to ignore the ones you feel threatening or personally insulting. To retaliate shows you are no more intelligent than those you view as unintelligent attackers. Most comments you receive are going to be opinion oriented, sorry that's life. You really need to relax and let this small stuff go. Don't worry so much about other peoples perception of you, IT IS NOT REALITY. I think that is the reason you enjoyed being an initiate so much. By disguising your self in that way you removed the perception, a perception you created, and that you forced upon yourself and others. Sure Jedi philosophy is cool, and being honorable is admirable, but in this game it's just not all that fun. By removing yourself from the persona you created you didn't have to live up to that perception, and you had fun. We are not Jedi's you, me, or the next guy. We are no more than a group of individuals, each with his/her own screen, keyboard, mouse, and a cd, meeting new friends, playing a game we have a common interest in, and just enjoying this space in time we share together. We don't have to be honorable to each other, hell we don't even have to like each other. All that is asked of us here is to be tolerable and respectful of one another. If you approach the game in this manner I promise you things here will get better for you. You just have relax and enjoy the game. That is why your here right? I quote the About us page here: Have lots of fun, we enjoy fun, we love fun. We will make everything as fun as possible. Have fun training and teaching! That's our number one priority. Ulic I'm not trying to change your mind on whether you stay or go, that's a decision only you can make. I will tell you that I would rather see you stay. I don't like to see anyone go especially with feelings that they are not welcome. It's the diversity of it's members that makes this place what it is, and imo every individual is equally important, from the newest initiate to the founding members. You can take this as you wish be it words of wisdom and encouragement or the opinion of a small minded man, again this is your choice. :arcuss: Earlier in this post I said that perception is not reality. This is not always true. There are actually 5 cases where perception is reality. 1. when politicians are duping the masses(sorry ulic no offence) 2. when lawyers are duping a jury 3. when an illusionist is duping his audience 4. when a side show operator is duping any one willing to pay 5$ to see the amazing "insert favorite freak here" attraction 5. when the person being duped is you |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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argh i don't know where to start. i have so much stuff flowing through my head right now... i'm confused.
all i can say with certainty is that i do NOT want you to leave, Ulic. And many people appearently agree with me. If people don't like that you are training them in formulating good arguements, then don't. Just do what people like you to do, help others in the game. They are here primarily to get better at the game, and are always gratefull to whoever helps them out. I have never completed a serious discussion about politics without at least one guy leaving angry at the others. That is why I tend to stay away from these discussions. I have found that most of the time people stick to their opinions and will defend them blindly, even if it means hurting the others. I know that is what you are trying to stop, but it obviously doesn't work in here. One more thing. I want to thank you, Ulic. Thank you for everything. I might have said this before, but I would not be where I am right now (in terms of skill, and jediism) if it wasn't for you. Any padawan you should choose to take after me, should consider himself/herself very privileged. Zero, please don't put words in my mouth. You can quote me, but don't paraphrase what I said, alright? That's all for now. I have to go. Ulic, whatever your decision will be, may the force be with you. EDIT: sorry about any possible errors/typos. _______________ make install -not war This comment was edited by Bubu on Jan 24 2003 02:21am. |
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Master Lew - Student 
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I think you should become a writer. You have a great talent for written expression. Your posts appear to get people thinking and you get responses. They are not always what you might want or expect, but at least people care enough to let you know how they feel.
Let go of the anger. Feel the Force flow through you. Be at peace, for you are a Jedi. _______________ Brick Assassin for Hire Here, have a brick!
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Midnight Dave - Ex-Student 
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Hint, his initials are M D and D stands for his real first name. lol |
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ioshee - Student 
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That quote at the end of your post is simply awesome Midnight.
BTW, Who is this writter who goes by the name unknown anyway. I've been to Barnes and Nobel and the girl just looks at me funny when I ask her. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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NofrikinfuN - Retired 
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Hey I don't mean to come of like a jerk, but honestly you have to see whats wrong with this... It's just not right acting like a some kind of fountain of wisdom in a desert of dumb.
I just really think that sniping at everyone is no way to solve your problems with personal attacks. Confront the source rather than acting like its everyones fault. I think you really get into your role here and thats great. I'd much rather you cooled the arrogance down though... Think on all that has been said here. You were doing very well as a knight... I've heard many saying how helpful you are... Let THAT be your gift to the Academy. We all get enough knowledge in whatever schools we may attend. |
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Midnight Dave - Ex-Student 
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Ok, now I know I havent posted sh*t but im a lurker and I read most everything here, and I know you are fairly intelligent. Ive met you once or twice Ulic and you have been a good fighter and a nice man, but DUDE! ya need to calm the f*ck down and sit a second, I know this can get heated here but this is not a bloody Mensa meeting, its a game where a bunch of "gamers" get together to learn how to better beat the living sh*t out of eachother with a lightsaber. If you wanna leave cause of this situation go ahead, noone's gonna stop ya, but ya need to try and just have fun. ITS A BLOODY GAME! (calm down, calm down Dave . . .) Ya know ALL of you need to take a sec and think about this. If this was an intillectual board fine, but its a game. Now Ive seen JATs and JAKs (who shall remane nameless) abusing their power a bit, but you really cant blame them, they got it, why not Seriously, I understand the mentallity and I havnet witnessed anything to dramatic. Now you guys just need to have fun and enjoy yourself. As Hux told me once ranks are not that important here, they are just for fun and to show some level of experience. This is just a game and that is the key thing to keep in mind. So everyone have fun, and just shrug it off.
Midnight Dave "Death is the greatest reward of life." - Unknown |
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ioshee - Student
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Great. Ulic you seem to be expressing the same things with less and less of an aggresive tone. Your skills are improving which was my intention all along when I made you start this thread (j/k.)
I didn't quite understand what you were saying in your last post about me, but it sounds like you had a humbling day in your classes so I understand you not making total sense. I did catch the part about the child and I appreciate that. Oh yes, I accept your apology for bringing wisdom to the academy. Just don't let it happen again! (J/K) Just understand that some people may not want it. So don't through your pearls to swine. It would be better if your rich man went to the charity and said "hey, do you guys want some of this? Here it is, free for the taking." Then for him to go to the middle class working guy who is happy with his life and say "You look like a charity case. You will take my money or suffer my wrath." Hehe. Just don't leave. I haven't even gotten to see you in game yet (at least I think I haven't. You could have been running around fooling me.) Now cHoSeN oNe is arrogant. But that is part of becoming a dark lord. "Remember... The Force will be with you, always." _______________ One of the Belouve boys This comment was edited by ioshee on Jan 23 2003 08:30pm. |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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I have no view on any thing going on. I just want to say that these are the longest friggin posts I have ever seen. Thats it. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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Okay Ulic...you're looking for comments, you've got some. Now you're gonna get mine.
To date, I've only had two experiences involving you that stick out in my mind. Number one, the debate over attacking another player who's been knocked down. We had a good discussion about that, and I felt we came away understanding each other fairly well. You did, however, make sure to comment in that debate that you were a very highly skilled player, and that if you were ever knocked to the ground, you'd be sure to inflict damage on anyone who attempted to harm you. Prideful boasting? Arrogance? Who knows. Regardless of your intention, you could've said it in a way that didn't just drip with "I 0wnz0r j00". Second encounter...this thread. First off, you complain that you were attacked personally...just for bringing the shining light of your wisdom for all of us to see. Well, I wasn't there for those discussions, so I can't comment. But that sure sounds like an attitude problem to me. Then you bring in the "disfigured society/ignorant society" line. Yes, in effect, you call everyone ignorant with that. You say you study politics...in case you haven't been following politics lately, that kind of speech would have you plastered all over the papers and possibly resigning any seat you had. Unless you're a Democrat, because we all know that the media is Liberal, but that's a different story
Next, you wax poetic about Knights getting respect just for being Knights. Lemme tell ya something bud...I don't know where you come from, but where I live...a man only gets respect by earning it. Your name don't get ya respect, your job don't get ya respect, what you know and don't know doesn't mean JACK as far as getting respect. The only respect you'll get from me is the respect I give to every single person I meet, because that's just how a decent human being should act. But if you want any sort of "higher level" of respect, well, you gotta earn it. If I spend time talking to you and getting to know you, then I'll decide from that just how to treat you. But don't expect me to give you one ounce more of respect just because you wear a [JAK] tag in an online video game. That goes for every single JAK, every single JAT, and every single JAC. Some of the staff who have talked to me probably know this already. Some of the staff have already earned that extra level of respect from me. Some of them haven't. Some, in fact, have even LOST respect in my eyes, and I wouldn't give weight to a d@mn thing they say. I'll still obey the rules, mind you...but that doesn't mean I have to like someone
Final Point: Regardless of any good deed you have done, or how many...it is ALWAYS the bad things that the general public remembers. When someone says "OJ Simpson", what do you think of first? Film clips of him running for a touchdown? His TV ads? Or the video of him fleeing in a white Ford Bronco...or sitting in a courtroom with that tired look on his face? This thread is NOT doing any of your good deeds justice. This thread is, instead, flaunting those good deeds and saying that you should be above any challenge because of them. Note that I'm not even saying if you are right or wrong in regards to those challenges...because it doesn't matter. By posting this thread in the manner you did, YOU took it to the next level. YOU made yourself out to be more self-important than you may actually behave. Any grief you get on this thread is a direct result of your own actions. Now, since you're into politics, I gotta say this: I just went and browsed the Iraq thread. I noticed that you said that we didn't really know why France wasn't too keen on attacking Iraq. Well, I know. France, Russia, and China all signed agreements with Iraq circa 1997, saying that a large portion of Iraq's oil would go to those three countries as soon as UN trade sanctions were lifted. In 1999, there were some more UN resolutions set to hammer Iraq. Iraq's government actually threatened France with the oil...basically saying "vote against us, and we'll take it away from you". So, France is basically knuckling under and not doing what's right because of the promise of Iraqi oil if they be Saddam's b!tch for a few more years. I got into all of this on another message board the other night and threw up some links. Search for the info on Google and you'll probably find what I'm talking about _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired
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True...Common people dont walk around wearing Jedi Robes _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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Zero Akaine - Student 
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Ulic I would rely like you to read all the post before you start talking to ppl about what they posted. I rely don’t know what your talking about but to let you know the past is the past we all most move on of face a very unhappy life.
Post you made replying what JJ said is truly sad. For some one to rely think of them self's as that is rather foolish. Now from every thing I heard about you before all this stuff was rather good nothing bad, and you attitude was grate. Now with this all mighty thing you got going you rely disappoint me not as a JAT but at a person in the real world. I rely hope you were joking. As for the rest. Get over it, Get over your self, and get back to the game the way it was before all this. You might want to think about how you’re acting. Your padawan, the one you defended, even think you are taking the all mighty thing to far. In the words of DJ_Sith and Doobie "This is a Game. Just play and have fun. Don’t worry about any thing that you don’t need to. After all, it’s only a game. Right?" Pleas take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming others. _______________ Padawan of Ryo Akaine Master to Aphex,Skyler,Doppelganger, and GremReaper. This comment was edited by Zero Akaine on Jan 23 2003 07:01pm. |
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Kalheka - Student
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I don't feel like you really addressed my post. Seeing what you had to say though, and the sheer amount of responses you had to deal with, I can understand why.
I put my opinion into this thread originally, Ulic, in order to try to help you understand why it is that you've met with such resistance. I've used specific posts of yours to try to expose a pattern in your choice of language. I never meant for you to try to argue the specific posts that I put up there. Can you see where your posts sound like arrogance and disdain for the people your posting too? I understand that your intentions were to foster growth of knowledge and wisdom. I don't doubt that you care. But realize that much of what you've said has a tone to it that rings badly in many of the ears that you would have hear your words. I personally haven't got a problem with you. I'm not your judge. I do not sit in judgement of you. I'm simply trying to show you why others have responded to you the way they have. My words are offered in friendship and compassion, not judgement. I do not wish to see you leave, nor suffer. Like you, I'm hoping that my words foster knowledge, and wisdom. I'm not out to tear you down. I'm out to enlighten you and help you get through your difficulty here with things. Peace be unto you, Ulic Belouve. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Well, after studyin terrorism, seeing atrocities from the Holocaust, and seeing films portraying people being burned alive in nuclear fires.... I have very little strength left in my little mind. I didn't think the courses would be so depressing. Anyways, I was left defenseless to whatever smacking around came along down there. Damn...I have to open another windown to see all the points I want to address. I'll start with the older posts and work my way through. The best place to start WOULD be my own original post, but since that's at the top of the page, and I'm at the bottom, I'll take mine last. Ioshee -- Well, first off, you DO really amuse me for some odd reason. You always make me chuckle. Just I never want to say "you make me laugh", I wanted to say something more meaningful sometime but never did. I dunno. I see where you remind me of a child, humorous in essence, but with Yoda "tryly wonderful the mind of a child is." You have always made such boiled-down good points. And you have here. Being an initiate WAS fun, probably because I had somewhere to go. I'm not sure if I have somewhere to go now, particularly if JATs/Council is irked at me. But back to Ioshee, that helps, remembering what was. Zero -- I'm not even going to bother. I'll save my opinions for some other formal time, perhaps when I dig up all the info that I never sent to anyone about you. You called me arrogant, despite the fact that I did not go before anyone on a lot of stuff with you. But on to the next. Mind of Sin -- Hmm...the attitude issue. I thnik there, I can toss some balme to others. People told me that my attitude was the best, and I am guessing that I am not just recently arrogant. With so many people telling me that my attitude was great, I kept on driving forth with what attitude I had. So maybe someone should have said different. Kalheka -- Yes, I did start with some sort of "impending doom" Seeing as how I got serious later, it was probably understood that I was serious then. I should have changed that. Really what I intended was to state that I would radically change your opinions and arguments with what facts I would introduce. The small, low-based arguments would not cut it anymore, I would make you actually look at things more in depth. So, anyone could make an argument, I was implying that I would then cause people to make informed arguments. There also should be some clarification between terms. Intelligence=Information Intelligent=Informed Unintelligent NOT = Stupid Unintelligent=Uninformed That should help a bit. And with the thought that most people are not informed, there are plenty of statistics that play off that. Bubu -- The "people attack because they feel threatened" makes sense here. The problem may be that I am trying to train them to be informed, but they take that as a threat or attack, and strike back. Here's where we get to stuff that actually helped out a bit more (not because Bubu isn't helping, but the pace starts to pick up here) Xanatos -- Thanks for the kind words, but the begging is not going to make a good case for my staying. It will be other stuff that is said that will make me stay, if I do. Blade Knight -- Someone I motivated, good. I sorta knew that. It makes a lot of the crap wash off, knowing how I helped you out. And taking all these insults is a small price to pay for helping you out. Khalaas -- Well, Moriarty made good counter-arguments to Holmes. I think you do, and some others, but not all. It's those that take the low blows that are hard to appreciate. I do also think that I keep the thread going well. And I meant to come in as a challenge, and it may sound arrogant, but if you can give me a good run, you can give most anyone a good run. And that's what I want, is for you people to give others a good run for their money in political arguments. As for the "tit" thing...I guess I really did not know what that means. I thought it was a mean comment, and has since been cleared up. But no, it's other things too. NoFrickinFun -- I'm still picking the asphalt out of my face. Can't stand to just knock me down, have to fling me around too? Well, I think you meant that with all good intentions, in the theory that no one could talk sense into me, so you had to slap me around. It helped, but I think it's only because I respected you that I don't think you're a jerk for it. You did say "act your intelligence". That's the problem. I'd like to think that my instructors have taught me something in reasoning and political issues, so I will assume for the moment that I am quite skilled in those areas. So I act like I am skilled in those areas. And there's the problem. I could NOT act like my intelligence, and make stupid comments. But that's no good. And I'm not telling people they are deprived of wisdom. Quite opposite, really, I'm telling them that they have the ability to make some great arguments, and am pushing them to try that out. I've seen some great comments come about as a result of that. And I also willingly contribute my knowledge to whatever areas people might lack (they don't know everything, I don't know everything. It's a share the wealth thing.) I can see where that borders on arrogant, to give my knowledge to fill in the "holes" of other people. I frankly think that anyone can make me seem like I am intending anything arrogant, despite my intentions. But, NFF, I don't feel I owe anything more to the Academy, much less an apology. You also say that those with big egos and nonexistent people skills should not come to this community. That eliminates many people, including myself. Hence why I don't date, because I've had things end wrong due to ego. And my people skills have gotten me a total of one friend (in my face-to-face world, ther are some friends here): Hector. D.A.M. -- I've taken off a whole thread, as well as the fact that some attacks come at me through places other than the server. Aeth -- I don't think that I AM arrogant, though I certainly can be. I think my intent thus far has been to benefit others. And I don't say I am great, never have. I've just paid respect to my abilities, which goes in hand with humility. In humility, one needs to also recognize what abilities they have, and use them to best help others. But it seems arrogant to try and help others understand things, and to understand politics, and to build their own arguments better. If it is arrogant to use your talent to help others, then this whold Academy is arrogant, since that is all we do in the servers, is help others by giving them what knowledge we have. JJ -- You have no idea what it's like for me among common people. It's more that here, I feel like I might actually know something, might actually BE smart. Out there, I think I'm an idiot, unless I finally open my mouth and prove one way or the other. So in real life, I am VERY, VERY silent. I write more here each day than I say in real life. I don't even TALK to my roomates, maybe a sentence every week. But I'll look you up. Damon Chessius -- Yes, I remember you well. Sorry for removing what posts I had left on your profile. I was deleteing them in an effort to look for something. I'll write something up and make up for it. Really, I was trying to do the same thing with my "imparting of knowledge" as I did with Chessius. I merely told him what I knew, helped him to become better, and let him go on his way. I'm trying the same tactic with all of you, to tell you what I know (which, in some areas, is A LOT), help you to get better in terms of information, and let you go on your way. But if Chessius took low blows at me in the server because I am merely trying to make him better in whatever skills he desires, it would seem a bit out of place. Such is the case with the attacks against me. But Chessius, we might talk later. Metroid Blade -- "much knowledge yes you have shared it with us you even helped me in my World Cultures class with that Iraq post exactly what i needed" See? That's what I wanted to do. To have someone use what I have laid out, to benefit themselves. Is that arrogant? I will let you answer that yourselves. And Met, I'll try to develop some cool friendship with you (if I can spell friendship, took me 4 tries.) Dark Blade -- Short post, good points. Yeah. Really, that's what I tried to do, to lay out reliable sources in arguments, instead of defaulting to my own knowledge, which WOULD be egotistical. If you haven't noticed, lately I've been trying to even toss in Jedi Lore to help take the argument off of relying on "what I think/know" So, gosh...now to my post. I think I addressed most of those issues there, and I trhink one left is the item: "I have no qualms about departing an Academy that has members like this. But if the members are truly of better sorts than this, I may consider staying." Well, some people out there are real annoying (or add your own term here). Most I should be able to brush off. Those that really need to be dealt with, I'll find someone to help me take care of that. I would guess most of you are OK, and still some of you are awesome. I'm still undecided, and thought I would leave this issue open for a bit. And I am also seeking some agreement if I decide to stay, an unofficial type of thing, more a reiteration of what most of us hold to be right. I'm not sure where I go with this, but it's more in the terms of a friendly handshake. But don't make any discussion over that, it's just a "brain fart" right now, so no real idea. And...I'm tired from the day, and from writing this. Later. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Zero Akaine - Student 
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Ulic As a JAT I must agree with the Knights.
Being a knight is not about showing off or even arguing with the JAT or JAC or even the knight. The job of a knight is to show the other students how to asked to get ahead in the academy not give them a reason to ignore every thing that is asked even down the smallest thing. I rely don't know how you can say you have been attacked by people when you never got on MIRC or the servers any more. And I know you have not been on them I have been watching the servers this hole week even if I have not been in them. I do think backing your padawan up was grate of you and did set a good example for other knight and students of how to treat your padawans/apprentices but doing over such a little thing and with a JAT no less. If you truly think you should not have brought your "wisdom" to the academy then you should have never brought it up. And leaving because you think your being attacked by students and JAT is not the right way to go. You have to stick it out and deal with it. Not back out and run. Running gets you no were. Stay and talk to us but no in the forms. Come on irc and talk to me or any of the other JAT or JAC that’s what we are here for. I am not going to ask you to stay and I am not going to ask you to leave. You must make that decision your own. _______________ Padawan of Ryo Akaine Master to Aphex,Skyler,Doppelganger, and GremReaper. |
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Ulic, I support you. Your doing the right thing about your padawan and this issue. Using alterate reliable sources is a good way to prove a point, just look at a research essay, it is all based on quotes and outside information by reliable sources. It is what you really mean what counts, not when people think they perceive. _______________ What is the difference between love and Herpes? Herpes lasts forever. (CDC joke) Padawans: Trad Redav, Darth Jello, Tallepyon, Shang Chi, Dopp, Karlin Duke, AuroN, Koushka, Damon, and Katan Brother to Xanatos This comment was edited by (SKX) Dark Blade on Jan 23 2003 03:51pm. |
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