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Shannon -SC- - Student  |
Okay this is directly of a forum I browse now and then and so far I agree with most of the stuff said there and I'm curious of what you think about it. Weak sabers in saber only game types. I guarantee any of you who are reading this that if you were to duel me full force right now I could drag a single round out for 12 hours by simply draining you. You could not rely on high damage force based combos to end my "drain whoring" because they have been removed. You could not use "specials" or "Katas" to kill me because none of them are instant killers and even if you do take me to say 20 hp, I'm going to have plenty of force in reserve and just drain it right back. Not to mention I can drain you from the start of the match to even prevent you from using them a single time because they require such a huge portion of your force pool. You can't “saber" me with normal swings because they do such low damage I can actually let you hit me twice, wait... then start draining it back. So my question is, how do you kill me? Now when I say "me" I don't mean some random player on a public server, I mean myself. A very skilled player who is not going engage you, waste a drop of force and who will just sit back and drain you to prove that you lack the ability to kill him. Now you may say "I turn on absorb so he can't drain me then do a Kata". Wrong. You turn on absorb I'm going to stay out of range (back off/run away) and won't engage or get near until it turns off. Solutions? Setting the saber damage scale high (server side) of course right? Well answer me this: We all hated sabers in 1.04 right? That saber scale option was there in 1.04, explain to me if that was "our solution" why only 1 out of 600 servers used it? The bottom line is 99% of the JO/JA server admins are not like admins from games like Quake 3 or RTCW. If you don't put it in *base game play, chances are it's not going to ever get used. This is not opinion, it is fact. If I am wrong then please tell me why everyone complained about weak sabers in 1.04, had the cvar to make them better, but no one, and I mean virtually no one used that cvar? High damage specials require force Very bad idea. Now I know the logic was “people won’t complain about spamming if no one can spam them” when this was done. But like a lot of things, in reality it does not play out that way. Here is why: In Jedi Outcast if you were being drain whored you had basically 2 options: Run like hell and hope you can get away to regen or go on the offensive and use rapid attacks like a kick+ red dfa combo or specials like the blue lunge to turn the tide and get a quick win. Now look at Jedi Academy: I am drain whoring you, I have your force pool down to 0. I keep holding down the key and hit you with a drain blast every second to prevent you from regenerating. You can’t use any specials or high damage moves because they all *require force. You can’t use any defensive or offensive force powers because you have a 0 pool. What can you do? Swing a saber. But wait, none of the basic swings cause serious damage and since I’m just holding down the key I’m going to heal it back just as fast as you cause it. See the problem in this guys? Those special moves were the one great “random factor” when people would drain whore you. I know many of times I have drain whored opponents only to walk right into 1-2 back to back lunges and lose the match that I though I had in the bag. Before (in Jedi Outcast) a player being drain whored had many options in his arsenal to stay in the fight, But now, his only option is run and hope the guy can’t strafe jump as fast. Full Force Saber only CTF This game can be summed up in two basic statements: If you cap (a term for the guy who gets the flag) you NEVER fight, you run and you run like hell. If you defend, you need to kill in one single shot. The cappers (flag guy) are NOT going to stand there and fight you so what ever you use has to be an instant kill. Not to mention they will be using absorb and level 3 speed to make them immune from any force based attacks and will be impossible to kill unless you get them in one shot as they fly by at 90 miles per hour In Jedi Outcast you had two basic options to kill a capper, the DFA (or rage+dfa) or kick them off of a ledge for an instant fall death. Now look at Jedi Academy. The only “high damage” moves are the Katas, but you are locked into a stationary position while you execute them so unless the capper has moth blood in his veins and mistakes you for a giant bug zapper he’s not going to walk into a guy twirling a saber. The bottom line is the capper has no reason to stand there and “duke it out” because his job is to get back to his base as fast as possible and score. You remove the instant hit kills with no kick+fall deaths, you weaken the specials and make them use force (no rage+dfa combos now) and this translates into a capper with an escort using team heal being totally unstoppable. What was once before a fast paced game of CTF now turns into both sides grabbing the flag in the first 30 seconds and standing off for 19:30 and the match ends at 0/0 when the time hits. Force grip not being able to stay active when it is out of the line of sight This makes no sense at all, in theory maybe, but not in practice. Look at level 2 grip. Why is it useless? Because you are directly in the guys line of sight and all he has to do is push/pull and it instantly breaks, you simply can’t ever use it on anything other than bots or NPC’s that do not have push/pull. Grip at level 3 has become no different than level 2 now. No person with even ½ a brain is going to just sit there being choked if he is being held directly in front of the gripper with the option to break it with a simple push/pull. You say “spin the mouse around”? Wrong. You may think that is a viable strategy because it works on newbie’s, but it is incredibly easy to break for experienced players by simply looking down and exploiting the area of effect of force pull. Ways to fix these problems 1.01 patch -Up saber damages like we were being led to believe they would be when we were getting info on this game. Sure “technically” no one lied when they said sabers would be more lethal in some game types and weaker in others but every one of us thought that meant *high damage sabers in some game types, and *really high damage ones in others. I.e. stronger sabers than Jedi Outcast 1.04 had across the board. -Get rid of force usage restrictions on basic special moves. If you want to keep them on the high damage Katas fine, but the basic specials like the lunge and the dfa need to be un nerfed to be of any use in a realistic situation. -Kicking for all stances. This is one thing both “fan boys” and “competitive players” have all mentioned they wanted. If the debug melee command is server side only, like the damage scale command in Jedi Outcast 1.04, you know as well as I do it will never get used. A simple way to fix this is give the other two stances the double tap kicks and keep the multi style kicks for the staff users. As a side note, please test and refine the debug melee command if it is implemented because when used in single player it is obvious it is untested because of how erratic the results are (wall walking up a guys face when you try to kick him is a prefect example). -remove the line of sight restriction for grip to actually make it a power worth putting points into again. In closing I wanted to say thanks to all of the competitive guys from the various clans like =AX=, [div3rse], FK, rk //, guys like remij, +/< and others as well who have come here to respond to these threads. I know it can be frustrating when you are trying to make a serious point about game play mechanics and you get responses like “well that’s gay cuz in episode 2 yoda used absorb and blah blah” but please try to keep the tempers in check guys. Also as a final note I want to make it crystal clear to every single person here why this backlash is going on and who is responsible for it. This is nothing like the “back stab” whining that went on in Jedi Outcast. I really wish people were going “OMG These Katas are gay they keep spamming them and every one is getting killed!” because that would imply there is actually some serious depth and danger to be found in the game play. The problem we (the competitive players) have is there is simply no “meat” on this games bones. A few flashy eye candy moves that are ineffective in a realistic situation, the removal of high damage and complex combos and strategies basically makes this a “pick up and play for all ages” type of game that is so simplistic it’s dull and pointless to play at the moment for those people who crave a hardcore gaming experience. As I have said before, if this were a true new game I would totally agree that we should just sit back and give it some time, but let’s not play dumb, this game is 90% Jedi Outcast with a new coat of paint. You take what “did work” and remove it or weaken it, replace what was taken out with *ineffective moves that look pretty and slap a $50 price tag on it and yes, some people will be naive enough to believe it’s a whole new game with months and months of stuff to still be learned but those of us who play these games for the “game content” and not the “star wars content” are not going to be sold on that line of b.s. _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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Carve - Student 
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I'm going to pick this apart piece by piece. "I guarantee any of you who are reading this that if you were to duel me full force right now I could drag a single round out for 12 hours by simply draining you." That's no different than it was in JKO. If you just want to run away from the person and use drain, there never has been and never will be a way to stop the person. Honestly, who does nothing but run away in the game anyways? If you're in a FFA, only a newbie would chase after one guy. When you're running you can't get kills. Most duels (that is, the duel gametype) are not FF, so I fail to see the problem there. If you do nothing but run and drain someone, and you get killed, then you screwed up somewhere. Furthermore, I have yet to see a single person do this (nothing but run and drain) because, as I mentioned earlier, you won't get any kills. Thus it would be entirely pointless. Think what you will, the point of this game is not to stay alive as long as possible (except as a flag-carrier in CTF, and if you use darkside as that you're stupid) but to get kills, and you don't get kills by fleeing. Now that I have dispelled that, let's move on to his other... I hesitate to use this word, but I will anyways... points. -------------------------------------------------- "You could not rely on high damage force based combos to end my "drain whoring" because they have been removed." Funny, since I have killed people on many occasions with a single three-hit-combo in red stance. -------------------------------------------------- "You could not use "specials" or "Katas" to kill me because none of them are instant killers and even if you do take me to say 20 hp, I'm going to have plenty of force in reserve and just drain it right back. Not to mention I can drain you from the start of the match to even prevent you from using them a single time because they require such a huge portion of your force pool." Show me the instant kills you used in a FF duel before. Gripkick? Only a total noob would be killed by that. Rdfa? It's called force push, or hell even gripkick if you have the tiniest iota of skill. -------------------------------------------------- "In Jedi Outcast if you were being drain whored you had basically 2 options: Run like hell and hope you can get away to regen or go on the offensive and use rapid attacks like a kick+ red dfa combo or specials like the blue lunge to turn the tide and get a quick win." It appears that this 'highly skilled' player has only fought complete newbies. If the person were to do as his strategy cited before, if he were lunged he could simply run away while draining until his health were restored. As for a kick-dfa, anybody can jump up right after a kick every time, in which case 90% of the time the damage you take will be equal to or less than a poorly executed lunge, in which case you simply run away and do nothing but drain. The problem with this tactic of course is that you have no offensive ability. The moment a player who is strictly defensive moves to offensive is the moment they open themselves up. -------------------------------------------------- "But wait, none of the basic swings cause serious damage and since I’m just holding down the key I’m going to heal it back just as fast as you cause it." I have been a red-style user since day one of Jedi Outcast. As anybody who uses or has any experience with red-style knows, the style not only relies upon but is *dependant* upon dealing high damage. So, if this were true, I would be suffering greatly in multiplayer, correct? Well. Let's review my most recent scores: Full-Force FFA: 52 kills, 20 minutes; 48 kills, 20 minutes; 50 kills, 20 minutes FF Duel: 12/0, 12/0, 12/5 NF Duel: 15/2, 15/2, 15/4 Why am I not suffering? I'll tell you why. I know how to adapt. He states that "...this game is 90% Jedi Outcast with a new coat of paint." I'm sorry, but that's simply wrong, and the fact that he is unable to realize this is why he's whining instead of out killing people. In my experience, only 1/5 to perhaps 1/3 of people know how to adapt their preferred style when they find themselves being defeated. Players who have grown used to playing Jedi Outcast, naturally, expect their tactics to work in the sequel. That of course leads to their untimely demise. The game is NOT the same. The damage is not the same, the swings are not the same, the combos may use the same directions, but they are not the same combos. Two entirely new stances and a variety of new specials for every stance is not just 10% of a game. After being quite soundly owned the first few times I played JKA, I realized that my style would require an adjustment. As the scores above attest (believe them or not, those of you who know me won't doubt me), the adjustment was successful. This game is not, repeat NOT Jedi Outcast, and you will, repeat WILL have to adjust your techniques. The saber damage is far from low. -------------------------------------------------- The single thing I agree with is that kicks for all stances should be reinstated. -------------------------------------------------- "The only “high damage” moves are the Katas, but you are locked into a stationary position..." Right, so it's around here I'm wondering if the guy has actually played the game at all. First, the lunge is quite often an instant kill and is no more difficult to hit someone with than a kick (unless of course this quote "hardcore gamer" doesn't even know how to lunge properly). The medium-stance kata has quite a sizeable forward-lunge at the beginning. Furthermore, well I'll let him say it: "the match ends at 0/0 when the time hits..." I guess that game of CTF last night (8 - 7, btw) was all in my head. -------------------------------------------------- Grip is an absolutely fan-frikkin'-tastic power, still. A combination of grip and pull when used in the CTF levels with pits (which are pretty much all of them) is mind-blowingly effective. Despite the fact that the game of CTF I played was with experienced players, many of them still fell prey to that particular technique (as most remained darkside users). -------------------------------------------------- "Up saber damages like we were being led to believe they would be when we were getting info on this game." First, it's your own fault if you jump to conclusions, don't try and lay the blame on others. Second, just because you don't know how to adjust to a different saber system does not mean it has to be custom-fitted so that it appeals to you. As I mentioned at the beginning of this post, I've on several occasions killed with a three-hit combo. If you really want the saber damage upped, host your own server. -------------------------------------------------- "Get rid of force usage restrictions on basic special moves." Does he not realize how stupendously powerful that would make the lunge? If they were to do that and retain a balanced game, the damage of the lunge would have to be decreased, thus disabling the most powerful offense against the already very powerful two-handed and two-bladed sabers, thus unbalancing the game again, thus creating players calling for yet ANOTHER patch. Can anybody say 1.04? -------------------------------------------------- "Kicking for all stances." The only one of two things I even remotely agree with. -------------------------------------------------- "Remove the line of sight restriction for grip to actually make it a power worth putting points into again." Grip wasn't cheap in the first place, so there's no reason not to reinstate it and give the power the usefulness it deserves (though this is not to say it isn't useful already, just in limited situations). -------------------------------------------------- And I guess that's about it, except for the obvious fact that the guy is pissed because he bought a game and can't adapt to it and feels gypped that he didn't get an exact copy of Jedi Outcast with higher saber damage. It all really boils down to this: Are you willing to accept that this really IS a new game, and that different and new strategies will have to be incorporated? Don't rely on patches to change everything or you'll end up with another Jedi-series tragedy. Just be careful what you wish for. _______________ © This comment was edited by Carve on Oct 02 2003 11:48pm. |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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Well I am always up to a challenge, let me dust off my JK2 and well meat up say friday, and so you know I use dark because I like it more, but I am ok with light, and for the point of this form I will use light. I am rather tired of fighting my horid JK3 ping, so this will be a welcome change. I agree dark is strong, heck dark it the bomb, but light can beat dark, maybe you don't see it often, maybe it is just luck, so I guess ill just have to ask my self, am I feelin lucky today, or not. And I know it is not just so you can say I told you so or anything, I have been around you longenough to see that, I hope you know it is the same for me, heck, If I wasn't so bored I probably would have never posted or agreed to a ff duel in JK2. So I guess ill see you sometime friday, I think anytime after 6 is ok for me. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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back to the full force dueling discussion aye  You guys really won't take my word for it will yah....I've played with some of the BEST FF duelers in the world, and spoken with the very best, they'll tell you exactly what I tell you, they all use dark. Its not coincidence, its not amazing skills, its the fact that dark is simply better balanced for FF duels. Comapring it to JK:JA, yes its different, simple cos you no longer have kick, which means no easy way to do damage, and no way to knock someone flat and get a ,free hit. For these reasons, yes FF duels will go on for a long time, but my point is that in JKII dark is simply better. Picture this..... In FF duel you need to kill your opponent. This means offense. Dark is offensive. Saber throw is not a lightside power, and since dark has it also its imediately discounted. Heres the important points. Absorb takes more force to activate than drain does and whilst you're absorbing, you're not healing. FF duel usually comes down to kicks, if you're both doing damage the darky is stopping you from healing, whilst healing himself, if he kicks you and you kick him, thats 2 damage each. He drains its back, you put on asorb to stop his drain thus meaning you can't heal. He waits till you run out or turn it off and drains you again. You both kick again, thats another 20 each. darky back to 100, you're still on 80, now 60. Its a viscious cycle. The only thing you can do is avoid or hide from the drain and hope to regen a little force, enough to heal. The only case where myself or another darkside ff dueler has been killed by a lighty that I've seen is by a lucky DFA or something like that. But how often does that happen ? 1 in every 10 fights ? which means its no basis for an argument for the lightside, as a darky could just as easily get the same lucky move in. Mikel I would love to prove this to you Its not to say "I told you so" or "oooh look how good I am I'm right!!" its to educate people who just have the wrong point of view. I hope the way I've explained it makes sense...In conclusion, drain is better than heal and asorb used together (using absorb on drain gives you a miniscule amount of force, like half a bar) _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side 
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Shannon -SC- - Student 
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It's ok, I was just a bit pissed as I read it and felt a bit personally attacked. Well forget it. I know that the original poster was a bit upset as he wrote this (long) post but there is some truth in it. I'm not expecting to start playing JK3 and being as good as I was in JK2. I play about 2 hours a day JK3 trying new defenses and styles. (I know thats not much but RL is taking it's toll) We WILL get better only through training and only through that. We can directly affect this, what we can't affect is the programming part. Thats why I'd like to keep issues alive that bugs us and the comunity to forward them to Raven. There wouldn't be a JK2 1.04 if there weren't complains about the other versions. I agree it's still too early to extract the really anyoing things (insta kill with lightning anyone?) from the things we need to adapt. And thats why we should post these issues there to sort out, whats just crap and what are real issues. _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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hes sayin gin FF Dules Dark come sout on top cause mostly EVERYONE will whore grip kick or pull throw(in my opinion is a newb trick) but in ne case that is a opinion dark will not ALWAYS come ou ton top RAVEN SUCKS!!!  _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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as far as im concered the beta wasnt actually released to the public? am i right, personally i dont like the game as it is, im too used to JK2, BUT doesnt make it a bad thing, lets all sing happy happy joy joy and lets be friends _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Sniya - Student 
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" mikel have you had a full force duel in JKII ? Dark comes out on top everytime unless you get a lucky hit," lies all lies but anyway im going to sit here and put all my faith in the patch,at least they fixed heal,its not a great choice but not an absolute waste of points like jk2 _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Funaz - Ex-Student 
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Shannon I know that the post was not your but that of another forum. Also I'm sorry if you personally took offense to this, but I'm afraid this guy is just ranting. Feed back is good, yes, but ranting does nothing. And to say that Raven couldn't program mulitplayer is false, its the fact they can't balance the game thats the problem. I am pretty sure you played SWG, witch still needs massive balancing as does any game that is multiplayer focused. It took Everquests years and years to get everything balanced, and even though it was a much larget scale then Jk3, raven still needs more time then their small beta to get everthing worked out. I am just saying that before we make a ruling and start ranting to play the game and see what happens. _______________ Funaz Padawan of Mace Windu|Brother to noone|Cousin to noone|Secret admirer of Cloaked Thunder |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Alright, everyone, just calm down. The only real insults I can find as valid are any of those that say that so-and-so is getting too excited. Which I think we all are. One guy is too worked up on the weakeness of the sabers, another worked up by Kata stuff, etc. So...one of the Jedi things you can do at home.... Breathe in. RElax. (And breathe out. Repeat.) I do agree with the whole "The game takes a new set of skills." Well, partly. It takes a new set of tactics, but some skills carry over. How do you beat such a guy that is draining? Simple. Move. If you translate JK2 movement to JK3, you just move around a lot, avoid the drain, and stab him. Move, stab, repeat. He may hit you randomly, but he will be losing more than he gains. You just need the movement skills. So there is a way around whatever is out there. There are ways around my tactics, there are ways around the best players out there. Even Chosen One has weaknesses. JACs can be beaten, just not easily. So: to get around this issue, and I agree that some things need to be changed but the best thing we can do is my 5 step program. 1. Breathe in 2. Relax 3. Breathe out 4. Train 5. Keep posting the calm feedback In the event that the feedback seems too worked up, repeat the steps. I think that the original poster (whoeve that is), WAS too worked up on stuff, and hence, the RESPONSES were too worked up, and then we ALL get worked up, and that's no fun. So, we play Jedi, but we can at least breathe like them in real life. So breath in, relax, breathe out. Eveyone's getting too worked up on this. Just think 2 months from now, when you'll laugh at how you were complaining. Well, I'm out. Later. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Shannon -SC- - Student
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Quote: I think this guy is a complete moron who's so shortsided he can't see the end of his nose. ... mostly he is just ranting like a the pre-adolecent he is... I dunno why you need to attack someone personally just because you have a different opinion about it. Further I'm not sure if you're pointing your accusations on me or the original write of this post, but since I totally agree with this post it seems you're insulting me as well. Further it completly eludes my why I should be pre-adolecent. Quote: This game has problems, that are mostly only in MP, which is the hardest to get right while in beta. And thats an excuse? Oh sorry this part was a bit hard to program, sorry we fucked it up. (I'm exagerating here) Quote: It takes tons of people playing to actually figure out what needs to be tweaked, and give it a week or two and I gaurentee that most of this is will be corrected. I'm confident that some twaeks will come out, but as you said they need massive testing, and how should Raven ever know what to do if they get no feedback? Simply sitting around and waiting for things to get better will not do. Insulting other forum member surely won't help. Quote: His stupid drain whoring theory Here we go again, if you have the need to insult someone please do it somewhere else. If you have a different feeling about it say so and fund it with facts. Quote: And all his talk about katasThis game takes skill, different skill then Jk2, so people have to learn this game, not try to play the old one. I never tried to play the new game as the old one. I play it to get better and test new stuff. I'm sure we find new ways to counter special moves and get better. _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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Man, i don't even know where to start. It would seem like the kick bug has been fixed, at least it seemed that way yesterday night. The rolling lunge seemed to not be a one hit kill either. But I am not sure on those, I heard lightning was fixed too, but I dunno. To Jake, yes Jake I do do ff duels, and yes I did ff duels in JKII, I don't see how those affect JA since they are rather different, but yes I ff duel in both games. I would have to say dark does not always come out on top, firstly nothing always happens, and secondly light can hold its own against dark if you practice some with it, it is very different than dark, ill give you that, and the only offensive power light has is the saber throw. I would have to disagree with the statment that semi skilled players hardly ever do basic swings, well maybe thats true, but the good ones use the saber too. As to darks wonderful offensive, it is not as wonderful as you make it sound, and as to it being simple math, well, this don't look like d and d to me. I would also have to say that also that luck is a rather big part of this game, but maybe that ones just me. A time and place hungh, well I would say now that I have JA it really doesn't make sense for me to go back to JO, but ill have it in monday for smilys class, hey, thats in a few hours (now I owe ya one for reminding me) so if you really feel like proving your point to me ill go back to JO and meet up with you, humm, friday maybe. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Funaz - Ex-Student
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Thats not true Jake, The rolling stab is also a one hit kill if hit correctly. And yes I do normal swings in FF duels. THere are also moves in jk3 that can kill someone in a few seconds, one or two moves and he's dead. Not saying CTF is perfect, cause I know you play those other types more then me, but He is making comments about something that has not had time to be proven and tested. _______________ Funaz Padawan of Mace Windu|Brother to noone|Cousin to noone|Secret admirer of Cloaked Thunder |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Yeah, I've noticed with absorb... If it's at level 3 (or maybe even Lvl 2), when they hit you with drain.... YOU GET FORCE POINTS BACK? Wow. Getting force points back when someone uses a Force power on you. They should call this thing ABSORB. Oh, wait. They do. And it absorbs. So you drain. If you happen to hit my absorb, which would be dumb, I get Force, you lost force. So you stop draining. I stop absorb. And chase you down. Drain again, I turn on absorb again. Generally, if you hit absorb mid-drain, they react too slow, and they feed your force before they realize it. But I digress to my one great point here: If you are a good player (or dedicate to, um TRAIN), then you should be able to get around these. I mean, c'mon. We had the gys who would walk around in blue stance crouched, and would lunge at you. They sucked, we got around them. We had the RDFA guys (and some tricks for fast RDFAs). So they'd fly arround and anniahlate with RDFAs. We got around them too. Look, the guy really is whining like an adolescent. He wants this equation: JK2 0wnag3=JK3 0wnag3 Here's a thought for those that might have missed it. JK3 is a NEW GAME. What? This ISN'T JK2? No. So, new ways around things, new tactics, etc. I've found that things that kinda sucked in JK2 are a bit better in JK3. So my best advice, go into the new game as a new game. Try different things, etc. There is no "invincible scenario" like this guy poses. You catch him in a double spin with dual sabers, and he goes down quick. No Force needed to do the double spin. Just...what?....SKILL. We are all new to the game. Hence why it is a NEW GAME. We have little skill, so someone creates a seemingly "invincible scenario", and we fall to it. Gain some skill, and you get around it. I remember the knockdowns from JK2. You get landed on, you fall down. I fought a bastard who never turned on saber, just kept landing on me. But now....no one can do that. I got some skills, learned stuff, etc. Same with all this. Some stuff does need to be changed, and I am sure can. (I saw Kyle kick with the single saber in SP a LOT, why can't we do that in all stances?). So to sum it up.... How will I beat this guy? I will TRAIN. And not settle into the mindset that there are invincible scenarios. I don't have a way to beat everything today, but I will train, and find the solution. For me, it's been about training. Not about winning. If you learn tons of stuff, there is that much more that you can get around. So keep your heads up with this game, and train. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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About the katas in CTF, he said that beacuse in saber only, the katas are the ONLY things you can kill someone with in one hit, if you're lucky and they walk into you. The problem is they are stationary. Anyone with half a brain at CTF isn't gonna stand around dueling an unimportant person, they're gonna steal/cap flag. The drain thing is totally correct. Funaz have you ever had a full force duel in JKII ? If you have then you'd know what this about, if you havn't then do some research before you insult this person you've never met Dark will come out on top, its simple maths (or science, I don't know subjects....)Light has no offensive powers and also any semi skilled FF dueler will know that you NEVER do normal swings in ff duel unless its in certain situations (they're flat on their back basically) If you want me to show you this in JKII then please, tell me a time and I'd be happy to show you. To the people saying that beacuse they don't play a certain type of the game it doesn't matter to you, you should be ashamed of yourselves  You're Jedi Knight players, even if you don't play something you should still want it to work, at least for those that do want to play it. Look into the other stuff first before you totally dismiss it. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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Funaz - Ex-Student 
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I think this guy is a complete moron who's so shortsided he can't see the end of his nose. Although he does make some valid points, mostly he is just ranting like a the pre-adolecent he is. This game has problems, that are mostly only in MP, which is the hardest to get right while in beta. It takes tons of people playing to actually figure out what needs to be tweaked, and give it a week or two and I gaurentee that most of this is will be corrected. His stupid drain whoring theory is totally unsounded. I know a level 3 absorb will def outdo the level 3 drain, and only takes 2 hits with red to kill someone standing there draining. And all his talk about katas, anyone who's trying to use a kata in a 1 on 1 ctf match is a moron, there even someone with the slighest bit of skill knows u can't go spamming special moves unless u want to get pwned. This game takes skill, different skill then Jk2, so people have to learn this game, not try to play the old one. _______________ Funaz Padawan of Mace Windu|Brother to noone|Cousin to noone|Secret admirer of Cloaked Thunder |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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*bows* truly wise words....and I am eager to see whats happening to the game when some patches are finally out.... _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Marcel Mandarijn - Student 
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w0000t! *very loud applause* |
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Xanatos - Student 
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theyve got some serious probs. They need a patch and now. ack, gg. g'night guys, dont let the jk:ja MP bugs bite. _______________ |
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YinYang - Ex-Student
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Another thing I dont understand is... In Singel Player the roll slashes,speacials,etc DONT take force at all ONLY the katas I beleive so what stupid idea was it for them to say "oh lets make it that it requires force to use speaicals in Multi Player"plus in SP u can pivit with some specials so it doesnt leave u SERIOUSLY open the kcik needs to be tuned to what it is liek it in JK2 10-20 HP per kick not 1 kick and I killed u HAHA I pwned u. NO WRONG!! I REALY REALY REALY hope Raven takes care of this trash cause I didnt want to pay $50 for nothing I want to be satisfiyed with waht I purchased  _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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/me curses hong kong and its lack of game distributors! if everything this dude says is true then we need a patch fast! d'ya hear me lucasarts? _______________ make install -not war |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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It is pretty hard to land a kick if the other person is expecting it. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Bandit - Student 
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I'm still astounded that one kick equals instance death. How screwed up is that? I mean, you can whack someone in the head with your saber and do 10 hp damage, or you can kick them once and they die? I've gotta be the lamest Jedi in the universe to get capped by one kick. I don't care if it's Bruce Lee taking steriods and juiced on meth. One kick shouldn't kill a jedi. _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) |
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YinYang - Ex-Student
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we should make a email to Raven and tell em our probs with the gaem as being there game supporters I think Raven will resopnd to the stuff we told em about, they'll patch this crap up so fast...well i just hoep they will _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Buzz - Student 
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Furious that is the whole point of this thread. There are issues being voiced here. If people don't voice their concerns about the game they won't patch it because they'll think everything was good, and if people don't know why it was patched they'll just think its because of a bunch of whiners not knowing what they're talking about. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Furi0us - Student 
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some of you are scaring me. Stop crying about all these problems because at the moment there's nothing you can do about it. If you want something to happen send a letter to the idiots who's fault this is and maybe, MAYBE, they will releas the patch to fix this Wow i said something meaninful...O_o weird _______________ You are not your f***ing system specs. You are not your uptime stats, your script file, or your oversized desktop screencap. You are not your broadband connection. You are not your f***ing post count. |
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