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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student  |
There has been a lot of discussion about this on the web and fansites, and stuff, so here: How did you think Anakin brought the Force into balance? Some people say it was because he killed the last two Sith alive. Others say it was because he slaughtered the Jedi. I say it was this: He didn't only kill every Jedi, he also killed every Sith. The universe would have to start all over again. No Jedi... No Sith... This would of course have a tremendous effect on the Jedi after this. In the Old Republic, the Jedi were arrogant, because they thought they thought they were invincible. Now they know they can very easy be destroyed So that's why you have better Jedi, that are sure of themselves, but aren't overconfident. And now an even bigger headbreaker: Was Anakin supposed to go to the Dark Side? Was it meant to happen, or was it one of the possibilities that could happen? I think he was supposed to go to the Dark Side, the Force had that in mind for him. Because, the way I look at it, the Jedi where arrogant and needed to be destroyed. They where to sure of themselves, according to Yoda. And they should be, because for over a thousand years, there were no enemies that could stand against a Jedi, so the Jedi became (in the eyes of the normal man) invincible. That's why when kids are trained to be a Jedi, they expect to be so powerful... Which brings arrogance, right? So the Jedi that weren't arrogant (like Yoda, Echuu-Shen John) escape the slaughter miraculously  . But I'm still guessing why Obi-Wan was allowed to be alive. Was it because he had something to do in his life? Or maybe he had to set right a fault he once made? And if you think he wasn't arrogant, then look at this: in Ep1 he said: "I am ready to face the trials". Arrogant, right? In Ep1 he thought he was ready to take on a Padawan of his own. And he thought he could instruct him just as wel as master Yoda, very arrogant, right? Anyway, post your comments on both these subjects  And feel free to give as lot of critiscism as you want _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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any new people's opinions? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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don't use complicated sentences anyway yeah, those are the possibilities... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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JavaGuy - Student 
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"Always in motion is the future." --Yoda If we accept the crappy prophecy scenario, Anakin was destined to bring the Force into balance but didn't necessarily have to turn to the Dark Side. We all choose our own paths, but for him all possible paths converge at a single point. Was the Force "unbalanced" when the Light Side was dominant, so that bringing it into balance meant increasing the power of the Dark Side? Or is the natural/proper balance a state in which the Dark Side's power is minimal? If it's the former then he helped bring it into balance by becoming Darth Vader; if the later then he brought it into balance but only after he personally unbalanced it himself. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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then it wasn't stupid Yaay, my forum is popular these days j/k_______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Mreoton - Student |
i knew that |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Luke wouldn't leave without Ben so ben had do die or Luke would've never left without him, and he would be caught by Vader, and there would be no hope anymore... So he allowed himself to be killed, since he knew he would become one with the force _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Mreoton - Student |
yea and wtf was the point of ben kenobi givin up in the middle of that duel 0_o |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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heyhey! Good point there... But they just needed a reason (I think) why Yoda didn't just kick the crap out of Darth Vader and The Emperor  _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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JavaGuy - Student
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I think the whole "prophecy" storyline is retarded and did a lot of damage to the Star Wars series. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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there can.... who do you think trained Desann? No-one? Well... he learned to use the Light Side in the Jedi Academy under the guidance of Luke Skywalker. But when he turned evil... who would be there to teach him? no-one... and still, he's a powerful bloke I think you can teach yourself too Like Luke did after he left Yoda. When he hid on Tatooine in the house of Ben Kenobi. He came back and was uber strong and uber wise... something to think about... I think he trained himself _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Lord Jaws - Student 
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well, not the dark side no. There are students that will be drawn to the Dark side, Like Desann in Jedi Knight. But he destroyed the Sith. Without a master there cannot be an apprentance right? _______________ One night, I was lying in my bed, looking up at the stars and I said to myself: "Where the h*** is my ceiling?! |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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kool_aide I don't think you can destroy the Dark Side _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Lord Jaws - Student
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No, becouse he destroyed His Dark Side mentor Lord Sidious, and "betrayed" Lord vader, like Obi-one would say, he made a final end for the Sith. That you can make up becouse they do not arise again in the following 3 movies. And yes, they will encounter "spirits" from old jedi knights and Sith lords and kill those, but still anakin made the end. _______________ One night, I was lying in my bed, looking up at the stars and I said to myself: "Where the h*** is my ceiling?! |
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kool_aide - Student 
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he brought balance because his son luke came and destroyed the darkside _______________ I am the "Juice Man"  Drink up
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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yeah, I know that already... seeing I'm the first to say that in this thread _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Lord Jaws - Student 
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No, it's hte council that agrees with it, just not Yoda. _______________ One night, I was lying in my bed, looking up at the stars and I said to myself: "Where the h*** is my ceiling?! |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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yeah, duuh But he said: "Your apprentice Skywalker will be" I mean like that sounds like he's agreeing, or doesn't it? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Lackeh- Retired - Student 
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The scene at the end of Episode I, you tells obi-wan that while the council agrees for Obi-wan to be Anakin's master, Yoda does not. _______________ A champion is someone who keeps getting up; even when they can't. Founder Of the Jedi Academy Adlut Support Group. PIE!!!!! Padawan of Katan. Brother to MOTREC, DarkDragon, (SKX)DarkBlade, Jacen Aratan, Achilles, Kool_Aide, EvilSquirrel, and Katan's Padawans. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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and what do you mean by that? look at what? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Plo Koon - Student 
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you couldnt tell that from the movies? watch episode 1 man  _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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ah! now there's something the movie doesn't show... the expanded universe and the books, do show this: yoda did NOT agree with Anakin being Obi-Wan's paddie the other council members voted yes, he voted no I know, in the movie, it seems like Yoda agrees, but he actually doesn't. he just stops fighting the opinion of the rest of the council _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Vladarion - Ex-Student 
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The profiecy of the one that would bring balance to the force.... this was said by Quigon in Esp1. At the time of that profiecy the Jedi (Lightside) were in total control after little or no sith were around up to that point. He found Anankin and he was right in that he would bring balance, just not the balance he thought. During Quigons time Im sure the Sith started growing in power again. As they find out in Esp1 there is an apprentice (Darth Maul) and as Yoda said always two they are a master and apprenctice. Quigon thought that Anakin would be the saving force needed to put the life blood back into the Jedi. If you recall Obiwan and he argured about why Quigon should have already been a memember of the Jedi counsil. The Jedi were getting weaker but did not openly admit this. After all, the Jedi were the guardians of the Republic an if they were loosing their stuff the Republic would be in ruins in no time. Alas this was Quigons blunder in that he was told by Yoda that Anankin might be the one of the profiecy, but it was better he not be trained in the force. I believe Yoda had some insight that Anankin could shift the force to one side or the other if he ever fell, but I also believe he believed he could sense this and perhaps see that Anankin stayed on the right path. Quigon's dying request was that Obiwan teach Anankin the way of the force. Even against the counsils earlier judgement, Obiwan was able to win favor in Yoda's eyes after the battle on Naboo ,and thus promoted to Jedi Knight an allowed to take Anankin as his padawan. I really beleive they felt they could keep pandora's box closed. So to me Quigon's reasons were justified as he wanted to believe that Anankin would save the Jedi order, but at the same time he is responsible entirely for Obiwan being put in the middle which as it turns out, he was not ready for that responsibility. Obiwan was simply carrying out the promise he made to his dying Master. He should have acknoleged his weakness but he showed a flicker of his dead master Quigon by doing something he should not have. But in the end Anankin does bring balance because it is through him the Jedi are destroyed and it is through him that the Jedi are reborn (through his son Luke Skywalker) _______________ Padawan of Mace Windu, Brother to All. "Remeber, the Force will be with you always." - ObiWan Kenobi This comment was edited by Vladarion on Dec 12 2003 08:17am. |
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Doppelgänger - Student 
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I think you're right there was a bit of arrogance on Obi Wans part but I don't think Obi Wan understood at the time that training was more than just showing someone how to use the force it's showing someone how, why, what side and why. I think Obi Wan failed Anakin and it showed through when Anakin grew up. It's like raising a child and just telling them "you'll do it this way cause I said so" well anyone who's raised a child knows that they'll question why even if they have to brake that rule to get the answer. Anakin got his answer but it was too late for him to change. One way or another Anakin was destined to set the force right. It didn't matter what side he was on. It was just going to happen. That's why Yoda couldn't see his future clearly. As far as the Dark Side being stronger you're right it is. In the hands of a novice or pro. I've seen allot of noobs take out old pro's who use the Dark Side too. It takes a weak good person to give into its power. No one that is emotionally balanced could ever give into the Dark Side of the force. The Dark Side is to give power to the weak and lame or just plain lazy. If you don't believe me just go to a public server and look at how many lamers use it. They think it's a clever trick to have such power and never have to master it except by habit. It's a shame more people don't fully understand how the Light Side can be stronger when learned and used to it's full capacity. I remember talking to someone about all lamers/Dark Side using red saber too. I think it's a real world kind of thing. Not sure why. I think it was one night were I had a dozen lamers come on and all using red saber and red stance and always griping people of the ledge. I kept trying to explain to these people getting lamed that they only had to stay far enough away from ledges so they'd have time to turn on their absorb but no one listened. They complained though. _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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I wonder how far Mace had to go to get his Crystal? _______________ Yeah, so I have a lot of eggs.- Strong Bad |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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yep my thought too _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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