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I have noticed that there are 3 general categories of saberists: 1. Purely Offensive 2. Offensive / Defensive 3. Purely Defensive The purely offensive player is a player who is constantly on the attack, without any care for bodily harm. Often this player is reckless and takes a huge number of unecessary risks. This player has a very difficult task in front of them. They must kill their opponent without counter moves. Although this is possible, it is highly dependent on your opponent's ability to counter the moves you make. The purely offensive player puts his win/loss in the opponent's hands. The combined offensive/defensive player is a lot of fun. In barrages of attacks/counter-attacks this type of player watches his opponent carefully to find openings, but knows when its not good and backs off to put themselves in a position to counter-attack. It takes great skill to take advantage of openings while protecting one's own hit points. Being on the attack is a difficult task, but this person does not fear it and at times takes risks to get the edge. Most players fit into this category at various skill levels. The purely defensive player takes no risks. Often what looks like an offensive attack is just an illusion to get you to hopefully come within their counter-attack range. This type of player has a wide variety of counter moves and has become an expert in retaliation. Knowing their opponent will either be purely offensive or a combination, there is a large opening for moves that cannot be countered by offensive tactics. This person does not need to fear the opponent's counters because this person really does not take the offense. This person will be the most difficult opponent to beat because it is very difficult to get near them. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... This post was edited by n00b on Oct 27 2003 11:27pm. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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I use a mix i guess. Everyone's style is a bit different in how they balance the two. I've never seen a completely offensive dueler. Meaning someone who never went defensive. If you jump, dodge, or run from an attacker, you are defending yourself. So i dont think that there is a totally offensive duelist. If so, I think the defensive player has the upper hand due to the fact that they will dodge an attack, putting space in between the 2 and prepare the counter for their offensive oppenent. Personally I think trying to be totally offensive would be risky and foolish. The ability to attack does not ensure victory. The ability to do both will give that person the advantage in a duel. I think. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on Oct 31 2003 10:52pm. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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That sounds more like a turn based game aphex give it a go if you want but I honestly doubt the engine was created with that in mind... _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side 
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aph3x - Retired 
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It would be neat if before the duel, you specify who will be attacker and who will be defender. That would be cool...and just alternate back and forth. Anyone wanna do this some time? |
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Khalek[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Khalek[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=50&f_image=4155.jpg&f_odd=1)
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How does being a bunny bouncer count? Attack boing attack boing dual-butterfly combo boing boing boing backflip boing.....sideflipsideflipsideflipsideflip boing attack sideflip boing.... And I wish I was exaggerating, lol _______________ Brother to HW and Kyp Durron, padawan of the almiiiighty NFF. Traitor to the family and keeper of the LOLlipops (poisoned and otherwise). Jello's unwanted second cousin. Vladarion's moral lesser http://www.crazyfray.co.uk/home.htm - major update coming soon, yeah right.... £3.00 to be pledged so far to the JA fund... Just type PLEDGE ME UP KHALEK in any interesting post, and if it passes the funkolology test, 50p goes in the kitty... This one's for Jacen... http://www.bash.org/?7838
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SaberWeildinKow - Student 
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Being defensive floats my boat! I wouldn't call it defensive as much as a counter-puncher. Waiting to counter an attack, doing so, then rolling away. Boring the opponent into doing a DFA. Pulling off unexpected lunges. Or surprising the opponent with an offensive strike. Or, just waiting for the oponent to make a mistake like attacking in red and not rolling away when it misses. This however, I am learning doesn't work all the time (M00 Yellow people!) |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Sup, Playing both is the only way to enjoy the game. You learn a couple good offensive moves that u know will minimize the dmg you take even if you miss, and learn lots of counters, this does lean toward defensive but it, also avoids the annoying totally defensive player. I get really annoyed ay ppl who NEVER go on the offensive, I dont care how many counters you know, its absurdly lame, to ALWAYS wait to be attacked. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) This comment was edited by (Jedi)Obi-JK on Oct 29 2003 10:08am. |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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I for 1 rely on offensive tactics and defensive tactics each needs to be balanced out so u can have time and precision in order to get the correct hits,counters,and specials in imo it takes alot of thinking tryin to figure out ur oponents next move and such but ocne u get the hang of this type of stargity u'll get think all this liek u were just breathing _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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dartH|Bodhi - Student 
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I agree that fighting a pure defensive player can be laborious and painfully dull but you have to look at it like you are laying seige. As in take your time. Since the defensive player is not going to attack all that seriously you have the time to devote to the plan of your attack. You need to see what causes your opponent to attack and then fake and feint. The defensive player is relying on you to open up so that they can take advantage. This is a perfectly normal strategy and is the basis for many martial arts (akido for one). You could say this is how all Jedi should act since they are not the aggressors... ...however I digress.... So what can you do about a player that will not engage? I have never tried it but what about saber throw spamming? If you have the staff you could try butterfly. Stay out of range and taunt, hoping to enrage them. (personal message not the animations) I have found that defence players require patience in waiting them out. They want you to attack. Don't give it to them. _______________ The Force is a powerful ally... ...and a terrible foe. |
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n00b - Student 
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In a duel, there MUST be an agressor. Plain and simple, without someone actually trying to take the risks of attacking, there will be no winner. Two purely defensive players stalemate each other until one gives up the defensive playing. I play purely defensive at times so I understand this very well. Problem I'm having is that when my opponent is doing the same thing, it gets me bored to tears and I try to be the agressor. I get killed everytime an expert defensive player is my opponent, I'm also playing defensively, and I switch to agressor  I've tried to wait them out, fake attack, bounce over their heads, etc... in an effort to get them to be the aggressor. Some people will just not EVER go on the attack. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Narcost - Student 
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i usually just run around killing as many opponents as i can (very often that's not much). but when i had gotten more used to the game i try to fight more offensive/defensive. i'm still not that good and i played JK2 only for some short time so i hadnt had much practice with that. but i guess it just depends on the situation you're in at that moment. try what will work the best. _______________ Little brother of Daidalus This comment was edited by Narcost on Oct 28 2003 06:58pm. |
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Janus - Retired 
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Offensive and Defensive, both tough choices to me. On one end I'll go all out and come at you to throw you off hoping the opponent will error and the strike will land to end the fight. On the other hand, if you go too aggressive that margin for error shifts to you pending on the opponent. I like to watch patterns. Everyone is guilty of them, including myself. Identify the pattern and that fighter forces to change to something uncomfortable making the duel favor yourself over your opponent. _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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dose - Ex-Student 
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My style varies on the foe. If i'm playing bots, I usually just kill them off as fast as possible, but with human opponents, I stay defensive until they attack, then pull some shite. _______________ "If you hold back anything, I'll kill you. If you bend the truth or I think you're bending the truth, I'll kill you. If you forget anything , I'll kill you. In fact, you're going to have to try very hard to stay alive Nick. Now do you understand everything that I have said? Because if you don't, I'll kill you!" |
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Notation - Student 
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Personally I switch between being offensive and defensive. Usually I'll start out offensive, but then when my opponent's attacks are just too much to handle I'll back out and switch to defending me little arse. This comment was edited by Notation on Oct 28 2003 12:19pm. |
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Darth Halbrad - Ex-Student 
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I am a purely defense player, the only time I ever go on the offensive is when I know that my opponent is severly wounded. Now by defensive, I dont mean that I cower everwhere and I run away from any attack. My strategy, is that for the most part, its better to have your opponent attack you on your terms, not theirs. Yes I know that double and staff can kill in one move but I am not a double or staff player, unless I have no choice, I play nothing but single. And all of this is based in a duel or power duel setting, in anything else my mind is only concentrated on helping the objective, whether that be flag, or seige objective, I never play team ffa or regular ffa so those dont concern me. |
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O2B-1Dai - Ex-Student 
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It does depend on what you're opponent is doing. Chances are that they won't be flexible enough to change to suit your style, so you'll have to change to suit theirs. But if I get the option, I fight defensive\offensive. Usually just wait till I figure out their pattern or style, then develop counter attacks (which almost never work lol). _______________ A true friend isn't the one bailing you out of jail, he's the one sitting next to you saying, "Man, that was cool!"
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I think I switch between all of the above. Mostly I'm trying to find a style that fits me, but they all seem to, so I find whatever seems to work best against my opponent at the time. |
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Axion - Student 
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im offensive/defensive ill be agressive but not to much just right  _______________ Axion - Yeah. |
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sharwyn - Ex-Student |
i like to think i'm Purely Defensive but every one says that i'm CRAZY with sabers and run into people muahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahaahhahahahahahahaha |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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Fear the dronken monkey!!!! _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Flash - Student 
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You mean woe-is-me? |
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Buzz - Student 
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When you are in a fight where two hits from dual or staff can kill you, can you really criticize someone for sticking to an almost complete defensive strategy. In JK2 the duel wasn't going to end with two swings. If you went in for an attack the duel wouldn't end because you took a few shots. Also these types of players existed in JK2. They may not have been as numerous though. I can remember on two occasion coming acrossed people who jumped out of the way the entire time, never moving unless you did, never taking an offensive strategy. These people are going to be around. Some you'll beat some you won't. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Jake Kainite - Student
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wrong javaguy, in siege the score counts as the 'team score'. If all your guys sat around not attacking when they need to, you won't win. Obviously in a purely defensive map you wanna be very defensive _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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JavaGuy - Student 
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"In the other gametypes the objective is to get the highest score in a time limit." Don't forget Siege! You can end with a negative score and still win. Scores mean #*@& in Siege, but you'll know if you really helped your team or not. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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I'm quite agressive in all sports, games, etc. In paintball, I'm very agressive and I win because of it. I guess it just carries over into JK2/3. The best overall players are probably the smarter players, who choose when to be defensive or agressive. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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*sigh* You'll understand that this is a problem only really inherit of dueling. In the other gametypes the objective is to get the highest score in a time limit. If you play defensively you simply won't get enough frags to win. This could be solved in duel by adding a time limit, but some fights just do naturally take a long time. Basically n00b theres nothing you can do about it. You said sever the duel, good thats a solution. If you don't like people who fight that way, don't fight em its that simple. Asking people to stop doing something that allows them to win simply because you can't beat it is not only absurd but also slightly selfish. In short, get used to it, get around it or get lost _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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