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Feniks - Student  |
Hi, i got this probleme that whenever i fight a staff user and he starts to lame his butterfly attack i get killed in a matter of seconds, running away is no answer but i can' seem to find a decent counter attack for his butterfly ... im more then open for suggestions cause its kinda irritating, thanks  forever_______________ " The acceptance of others is not a guarantee. Like everyone else a Jedi is accepted or not based on his behavior. The Jedi who believes that he is more important then others only demonstrates that his opinion is to be ignored." ~ Jedi Master Dooku on the subject of Arrogance ~ |
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Lackeh- Retired - Student 
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you can butterfly counter, switch to single saber and lunge, or rolling stab them. _______________ A champion is someone who keeps getting up; even when they can't. Founder Of the Jedi Academy Adlut Support Group. PIE!!!!! Padawan of Katan. Brother to MOTREC, DarkDragon, (SKX)DarkBlade, Jacen Aratan, Achilles, Kool_Aide, EvilSquirrel, and Katan's Padawans. |
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Carve - Student 
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If you're also using staff, time your own butterfly so that, as they do the gliding spin at the end, you collide with them from your first hop. It's the most effective counter I've seen yet. _______________ © |
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Zoro Kakashi - Ex-Student 
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what stance do you use, best counter is lunge of blue for sure, but even that comes with practice. jump high above, dont run _______________ "When did Noah built the Arc, before the rain, before the rain." |
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Fate - Student 
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Use the single saber blue duck lunge thing (was in jk2 and now in jk3). You stab right up into them. When I first saw this topic I thought it refered to attacking unarmed butterflies! lol Don't lame the butterflies! _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! |
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Apologetic - Student 
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The best way to conter/dodge butter fly: #1.Use a butterfly attack and collide and you will defend and block. #2.Use a roll/stab at the player and 9/10 you will hit or go under them. _______________ Love GOD and jesus as they love u  [move]We defend the peace and help the helpless we r the mandilorian jedi troops![/move] |
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Doppelgänger - Student 
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Feniks if I didn't know any better I'd say you need to turn up that mouse speed a bit and learn to use it fast cause I don't have a problem killing a staff user in the middle of a butterfly. Just get to the side of them cause they can't turn easily and just down hack at them in red stance. Jumping helps for an instant kill (headshot). Find that person who spams the butterfly and practice that move over and over again on them until you kill them each and every time with ease. It's that easy. _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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u know what i just foudn out its NOT only butterlfy that does that its ALSO cartwheel!!! I was dueling True Phate and in the middle of my attack phate does a cartwheel I saw no harm of hit just a simple escape from my attack then I noticed my sheilds and HP go ALLL the way down it killed me in the process to LOL so STOP complianing about staff and complain about other stuff just becareful of those cartwheel to until they REALY nerf theses things _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Carve - Student
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The downhack is good but, as Dante said, it's very risky. Personally, if you're in red stance, I find the superior choice to be right-strafe+back+attack, timing it so that as they land from their first hop, they hit your lightsaber as it swings upwards. Not only does this swing do as much damage as the downhack does, but because it involves you using the back/strafe buttons, you're already moving out of the way of the butterfly. Furthermore, crouching slows you down. Since you can stand whilst doing this counter, evasion is further simplified. As with any counter, however, it requires practice and good timing. It's a lot easier to just jump over it. _______________ © |
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Mitch - Student 
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I've always just used the side upstroke thingy to counter butterflies, to do it you hit A+S+Attack or D+S+Attack, step off to the side some so you dont get whacked though _______________ Power Preceived, is Power Acheived.' Brother to 3th, Janus, and Vlad. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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NOW this is a very difficult move to do, But JainaD'Kana and myself have found out that (if done correctly) The Ydfa is an exellent counter for the butterfly.....it requires alot of timeing and practice, but once you have mastered it, it does a hell of alot of damage..... _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Janus - Retired 
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Added another post to the Staff vs Red Saber regarding this post _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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O2B-1Dai - Ex-Student 
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It seems like there's a few ways to defeat a butterfly spammer. Oh, I found another dual saber lock finishing move! Once the click-fest is over, the dual does a quick spinny dual upslash thing while the other blokes just looking fat dumb and happy at ya. Looks kinda funny tho, him just letting ya do it to him hehe _______________ A true friend isn't the one bailing you out of jail, he's the one sitting next to you saying, "Man, that was cool!"
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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Thats why i said it takes practice. Of course someone who tries this first against some killed like you in the staff taht will aim down with a butterfly might not succeed. But someone who has practice with it and understands when to swing, in a dead fight between the butterfly spinnig after the second hop and a straight down red swing that you crouch at and aim it at them, the swing overpowers the butterfly. So its not really a matter of risk. I didnt say just satand there forever, you hit and then you get out. Its a matter of practice. Good points tho yy. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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Well ok heres the way I look at it on the chance u actualy get the hit in cause of this cheap random dmg trash u may risk only taking 5-30 hp on a down hack which is COMPLETELY stupid theres no set dmg SO ur way may work but ur running on the risk it'll take the dmg u want it to take cant asume it will take what u want due to this games off dmg scale plus since i use staff mostly i would know moving ur hit towards the floor will attack the person on a crouched position _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Dante Valmont - Retired
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When the stance starts off, i count that as a hop. As for the person turning their saber down, it still doesnt work. The red is too strong if you do it the way i described yy. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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YinYang - Ex-Student
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Well thats 1 way of tryin to take down the butterfly u can risk hetin hit still cause all the staff user needs to do is point down and ur dead cause max on butterfly is 100/100  so in return u do a LUNGE which is VERY good counter but u needs space for it so be cautious on that.and its not to hops its 1 hop unless ur talkin about the left side butterfly then yes its 2 hops _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Dante Valmont - Retired
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_______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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Yeah, Thats basically what I said but much better explained _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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Dante Valmont - Retired
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I was debating to share this information but i figure since i like you guys and i like teaching, i'll teach the perfect counter to teh butterfly. Now you know how they hop twice before they spin. Well step back once they start, so they do the one hop right at you, then at teh second hop, be in single red and do a single red straight down swing, but duck when you swing. You'll hit them for an upwards damage of around 100. Sometimes i've even killed them in a matter of two hits. Its important to be fast when doing this and not stay there after the hit. Also, if they pick up on this and decide to turn away frmo you and go at an angle, pull back and wait for the secnd spin, then do the same thing. It takes practice a bit at first, but then you will see, as i have, how pointless it is to fight a butterfly spammer. Quite easy. There is your lesson, use it wisely friends _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Wolfwood - Student
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A lunge is effective if you time it just between the last blow and the recharge. But what I do is just wait, try to get behind the kataing player and simply do a foward attack with red. That is a killer _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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madhatter - Student |
I've seen a very good single saberist just stand there and wait and at the last moment do a blue lunge and nail the person doing the butterfly and outright kill him or do tremendous damage upto 75 hp. And the easiest counter is i suppose dual saber saber shield kata. _______________ Welcome to MY Tea Party |
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aph3x - Retired 
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spamming ANY move is not good policy...even if it is as - ly as the butterfly. the thing is...they have relativly little control over their actions after they initiate the move. the trick is to watch and know your opponent. watch for the butterfly...and just avoid it. getting caught by it once is fine(it will prolly kill you), but after that, you should be expecting it. also, heavy stance works wonders against staff/duals This comment was edited by aph3x on Nov 10 2003 04:56pm. |
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Feniks - Student 
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Thanks for the amount of responses, ive tried some suggestions and sometimes they worked but... most of the time they didnt...I f you charge straight into a butterfly your eiter dead or very lucky to be alive with very few hp. I did find a counter of some kind, but it requires good positioning and timing using single saber strong style. After they iniate their butterfly go left and do a back+left swing as they pass by. when u time it good they dont hit u, but you hit them when their attacking in other words no defence :-) with the ja randomnes of damage the attacks do its hard to say how many of these attacks r needed, i managed to kill using 1 swings and then again there were times that i needed to hit 8 times before they were dead.... hopefully the patch will bring some answers :-) forever _______________ " The acceptance of others is not a guarantee. Like everyone else a Jedi is accepted or not based on his behavior. The Jedi who believes that he is more important then others only demonstrates that his opinion is to be ignored." ~ Jedi Master Dooku on the subject of Arrogance ~ This comment was edited by Feniks on Nov 10 2003 12:56pm. |
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Vladarion - Ex-Student 
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When they start the move you can side step and nail them from the side. It takes practice and you got to be quick. The most painful hits on the butterfly are those last ones when they spin slower. At which time you can either catch them in a kata or stab them. The bf spammer usually defeats themself in the end because of their consistancy.Watch them a bit and you will see their timing. Start nailing them as they start or rolling them when they stop. It doesnt take long then they get very frustrated. _______________ Padawan of Mace Windu, Brother to All. "Remeber, the Force will be with you always." - ObiWan Kenobi This comment was edited by Vladarion on Nov 10 2003 06:01am. |
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Kel Katarn - Ex-Student 
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is that a challenge? lol _______________ The dark side is for the weak, for they could not resist it. The Katarns rule! |
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